The far right

[tonto1888]

Will whitey and th'other individual condemn this chap??

https://www.rte.ie/news/2025/1103/1541936-alec-goucher-court/

Or will the child protectors(sic) have a gathering in Wexford?

You'll be waiting a while on that boy giving a f**k. But its a bad look from you using a case like that to score points ffs.

Im highly superstitious

Hes inviting all types of bad karma onto himself and his family

This is the worst play book stuff from the far right..

Embarrassing!!

I'll try it.. I hope that all your family get hit by a bus

I think you should delete that comment.

I'll delete it when he deletes his... unless it's too late and he can't as karma works?

Delete what

He's drawing bad karma onto himself by posting this nonsense and now so are you

So you hope me and my family get hit by a bus for believing that the government should enforce laws that they themselves passed.   Wow....you should seriously seek professional help

And i take it you realize that the fraudulent claimants.....which make up 80% of all claimants according to Michael Martin....are diverting resources away from those who truly need them

I will say it again, what training has Martin done to make such a claim? How many of these people has he interviewed?

Well the people who process these claims all work for him and get paid by him so i would assume his numbers are somewhat accurate

But as I always say....people believe whatever they want based on their agenda

(Just out of curiosity......whose mouth would you need to hear the stats from in order for you to believe them?)

I would be surprised if he is even remotely that close to them to know those stats

I have no agenda, I just know what it takes to be able to make decisions on these protection claims

[tonto1888]

There you go, demonstrated perfectly. As I said, condemning arson attacks of accommodation for asylum seekers is not calling for open borders.

The people on here (me included) who want to help legitimate asylum seekers should be absolutely furious at the abuse that's being perpetrated by fraudulent asylum seekers.  All this does is take resources away from those who genuinely need them and creates a lot of il will towards vulnerable people

Pointing out that abuse is rampant isn't some far right talking point-its simple reality and is backed up by both Simon Harris and Michael Martins comments this past week

Attempting to shut down any and all discussion by labeling people as far
Right who disagree with you is simply counter productive

so here is what MM said

"About 80 per cent are refused on their first stage of the appeal. And that's significant because it really points to what you're looking at here is economic migration, primarily, and basically people shouldn't come to Ireland if they know deep down that they're not going [to be granted asylum]

what does he mean by first stage of the appeal? When an asylum seeker gets refused they get an appeal. So is he saying that 80% of cases that go to appeal are refused at the first stage? If so then he is deliberately misleading people with that figure. Also, they can go to the next stage until they are appeals rights exhausted. How many get refused at that stage?
Or does he mean 80% of claims get refused first time? Again, they would then have appeals rights. How many refusals get overturned out of this 80%. Either way you look at it, this is a prime example of using a statistic to back up your argument

[Rossfan]

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving-country/asylum-seekers-and-refugees/the-asylum-process-in-ireland/applying-for-refugee-status-in-ireland/

[whitey]

There you go, demonstrated perfectly. As I said, condemning arson attacks of accommodation for asylum seekers is not calling for open borders.

The people on here (me included) who want to help legitimate asylum seekers should be absolutely furious at the abuse that's being perpetrated by fraudulent asylum seekers.  All this does is take resources away from those who genuinely need them and creates a lot of il will towards vulnerable people

Pointing out that abuse is rampant isn't some far right talking point-its simple reality and is backed up by both Simon Harris and Michael Martins comments this past week

Attempting to shut down any and all discussion by labeling people as far
Right who disagree with you is simply counter productive

As is labelling anyone who condemns the actions off knuckledraggers attacking and burning property as "open boarder apologists". You're trying to create a strawman argument.
I'd be interested to hear who on here doesn't want better, more streamlined processes that are both fair and humane and will removed those who have exhausted their options?

100% incorrect

I have said that if your response to some tragic event (such as that involving the 10 year old) is not to condemn it, or even say the government needs to to better in enforcing their own laws, but to start pointing out crimes that Irish people committed and then ask me to condemn those people, then yes....100% you are an open borders apologist

Several posters on here seem unwilling or unable to acknowledge that massive fraud is taking place

[trueblue1234]

So likewise if your hearing about properties being burned out and people threatened or attacked and your reaction isn't sympathy for the people involved but rather trying to justify the (lack of) reasoning behind it then your kinda showing yourself up as well. It's the same principle.

[Rossfan]

We can take it that whitey and the other person support trying to murder 28 people (or 2,000 if they'd got into citywest) once the victims are black/brown skinned foreigners.

[whitey]

So likewise if your hearing about properties being burned out and people threatened or attacked and your reaction isn't sympathy for the people involved but rather trying to justify the (lack of) reasoning behind it then your kinda showing yourself up as well. It's the same principle.

Who said I don't have sympathy or I don't condemn it

Just because I don't play certain posters game of constant deflection doesn't mean I don't condemn it

Their response to a grown man (who was ordered deported a year ago) allegedly raping a 10 year old girl is -look over here at what an Irish person did....condemn it or you're a racist

[Armagh18]

I see the fella who heroically intervened in the stabbings in England was an Algerian Muslim. Reform won't like that.

[trueblue1234]

So likewise if your hearing about properties being burned out and people threatened or attacked and your reaction isn't sympathy for the people involved but rather trying to justify the (lack of) reasoning behind it then your kinda showing yourself up as well. It's the same principle.

Who said I don't have sympathy or I don't condemn it

Just because I don't play certain posters game of constant deflection doesn't mean I don't condemn it

Their response to a grown man (who was ordered deported a year ago) allegedly raping a 10 year old girl is -look over here at what an Irish person did....condemn it or you're a racist

My assumption is that they are pointing out that it was who committed the crime that was your issue and not the impact of the crime itself. I can certainly understand their reasoning if that is their thoughts (I didn't post anything regarding this, just to be clear. Point scoring on incidents like this isn't a good look)
With regards your sympathy or lack of it regarding the incidents against the asylum seekers, I don't recall you being vocal against in your condolences. Maybe you were and I missed it.

[whitey]

So likewise if your hearing about properties being burned out and people threatened or attacked and your reaction isn't sympathy for the people involved but rather trying to justify the (lack of) reasoning behind it then your kinda showing yourself up as well. It's the same principle.

Who said I don't have sympathy or I don't condemn it

Just because I don't play certain posters game of constant deflection doesn't mean I don't condemn it

Their response to a grown man (who was ordered deported a year ago) allegedly raping a 10 year old girl is -look over here at what an Irish person did....condemn it or you're a racist

My assumption is that they are pointing out that it was who committed the crime that was your issue and not the impact of the crime itself. I can certainly understand their reasoning if that is their thoughts (I didn't post anything regarding this, just to be clear. Point scoring on incidents like this isn't a good look)
With regards your sympathy or lack of it regarding the incidents against the asylum seekers, I don't recall you being vocal against in your condolences. Maybe you were and I missed it.

My issue was/is that the person shouldn't have been in the country to begin with-he was ordered deported a year ago

Many's Peoples anger (mine anyways) has nothing to do with the persons race and everything to do with the government not enforcing its bloody laws and essentially enticing people to come here by allowing all theses loopholes to exist and being seen internationally as a soft touch

[Rossfan]

Attempted murder of 28 people is a "deflection"

[AustinPowers]

So likewise if your hearing about properties being burned out and people threatened or attacked and your reaction isn't sympathy for the people involved but rather trying to justify the (lack of) reasoning behind it then your kinda showing yourself up as well. It's the same principle.

Who said I don't have sympathy or I don't condemn it

Just because I don't play certain posters game of constant deflection doesn't mean I don't condemn it

Their response to a grown man (who was ordered deported a year ago) allegedly raping a 10 year old girl is -look over here at what an Irish person did....condemn it or you're a racist

My assumption is that they are pointing out that it was who committed the crime that was your issue and not the impact of the crime itself. I can certainly understand their reasoning if that is their thoughts (I didn't post anything regarding this, just to be clear. Point scoring on incidents like this isn't a good look)
With regards your sympathy or lack of it regarding the incidents against the asylum seekers, I don't recall you being vocal against in your condolences. Maybe you were and I missed it.

My issue was/is that the person shouldn't have been in the country to begin with-he was ordered deported a year ago

Many's Peoples anger (mine anyways) has nothing to do with the persons race and everything to do with the government not enforcing its bloody laws and essentially enticing people to come here by allowing all theses loopholes to exist and being seen internationally as a soft touch

Is that not the same  with Britain?

You'd think when  these people make their way  across the Mediterranean from Sudan, Somalia or wherever, that once they reach  Italy or Southern France , they'd think, right we've made it...let's claim  asylum here. 

The fact that they  then make  their way to northern France, then risk their lives on a dinghy to Britain, suggests Britain's  system is a softer  touch?

[trueblue1234]

So likewise if your hearing about properties being burned out and people threatened or attacked and your reaction isn't sympathy for the people involved but rather trying to justify the (lack of) reasoning behind it then your kinda showing yourself up as well. It's the same principle.

Who said I don't have sympathy or I don't condemn it

Just because I don't play certain posters game of constant deflection doesn't mean I don't condemn it

Their response to a grown man (who was ordered deported a year ago) allegedly raping a 10 year old girl is -look over here at what an Irish person did....condemn it or you're a racist

My assumption is that they are pointing out that it was who committed the crime that was your issue and not the impact of the crime itself. I can certainly understand their reasoning if that is their thoughts (I didn't post anything regarding this, just to be clear. Point scoring on incidents like this isn't a good look)
With regards your sympathy or lack of it regarding the incidents against the asylum seekers, I don't recall you being vocal against in your condolences. Maybe you were and I missed it.

My issue was/is that the person shouldn't have been in the country to begin with-he was ordered deported a year ago

Many's Peoples anger (mine anyways) has nothing to do with the persons race and everything to do with the government not enforcing its bloody laws and essentially enticing people to come here by allowing all theses loopholes to exist and being seen internationally as a soft touch

I think we all get that's where your anger is. But I don't know anyone on here who's against tightening up of the administrative process? The reality is that it's a very messy process and dealing with very real people who through little fault of their own, other than the luck of where they're born, are have a very hard deal.
But targeting these people to make life harder by burning accommodation and threatening people is not the answer. In any shape or form.

[Rossfan]

2 more heroes of the right making the news today
Pig slicer Darren Jackson and McGregor supporting Councillor Sutcliffe.

[seafoid]

https://www.ft.com/content/b7fde818-fe26-49f3-b109-d6fced89c130

Across much of Europe, voters are angry and disillusioned — and so swift to vote out incumbents. If the incumbents are the traditional centre parties, then the radical fringes will scoop up the votes. But when the far right actually makes it into government, then voters can swiftly become disillusioned — and turn back to centrist parties at the next opportunity.