Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

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AustinPowers

Quote from: Rossfan on January 14, 2025, 03:13:29 PMLooking like a deal in the offing?

The last building in  Gaza must have been  flattened then.

Truthsayer

#3931
Apparently...

⭕️ Here is the draft ceasefire agreement in Gaza according to the various news outlets:

*Phase 1 (42 days):*

   1.   Temporary suspension of military operations and Israeli withdrawal from all populated areas.

   2.   Temporary suspension of air activity for ten hours daily.

   3.   Return of displaced persons to their residential areas.

   •   *Day 7*: Israeli withdrawal from Al-Rasheed Street to Salah Al-Din Street, dismantling of Israeli installations, and return of displaced persons.

   •   *Day 28*: Israeli withdrawal from central Gaza, allowing free movement for residents.

   •   Delivery of aid, fuel, and debris removal equipment, alongside the reopening of hospitals and bakeries across Gaza.

*   *4.   Hostage exchange:*

*Phase 1*: Hamas will release 33 hostages, with Israel releasing 30 Palestinian women and children for each released hostage, in order of detention.

   •   Hamas will then release all living female Israeli soldiers, with Israel releasing 50 Palestinian prisoners for each.

   *5.   Prisoner exchange schedule*:

   •   *Day 1*: Hamas releases three civilian hostages.

   •   *Day 7*: Hamas releases four civilian hostages, followed by three Israeli hostages every week.

   •   *Week 6*: Hamas releases all remaining Israeli prisoners covered under this phase in exchange for Palestinian prisoners based on a list prepared by Hamas.

   •   Israel will release 47 prisoners detained after the Shalit deal and all civilians under the age of 19 arrested in Gaza after October 7.

   •   Palestinian prisoners will be released unconditionally, with no future re-arrests.

   6.   The first phase of the hostage exchange is separate from the second phase.

   7.   Negotiations for the second phase will begin no later than Day 16.

   8.   The United Nations will continue to provide aid.

   9.   Infrastructure
rehabilitation will commence.
   
10.   At least 60,000 housing units and 200,000 tents will be provided for those who lost their homes.
   
11.   Increase the number of injured individuals transported for treatment through the Rafah crossing and permit trade movement.
   
12.   Reconstruction and compensation for civilians will begin under the supervision of organizations and countries, including Egypt and Qatar.
   
13.   During this phase, withdrawal and the cessation of military operations will continue, alongside negotiations for the second phase.
   
14.   A permanent ceasefire will be announced, with full Israeli withdrawal from Gaza.

*Phase 2 (42 days)*:

   15.   Exchange of bodies after identifying the deceased.

   16.   Reconstruction of Gaza (3–5 years) under international and UN supervision, including Qatar and Egypt.

   17.   Opening of crossings for individuals and goods.

*The guarantors of the agreement are Qatar, Egypt, and the United States.*

*** This jumped out at me....

*   *4.   Hostage exchange:*

This jumped out at me:
Phase 1: Hamas will release 33 hostages, with *Israel releasing 30 Palestinian women and children* for each released hostage, in order of detention.

"And you dare to call me terrorist... "

whitey

Hope they get it done, because beginning next Monday all bets are off

Truthsayer

Quote from: whitey on January 14, 2025, 07:06:32 PMHope they get it done, because beginning next Monday all bets are off
When were bets on? Over 45,000 civilians murdered. Genocide...can it get worse? Kill them all?

Rossfan

Netanyahu's plan to drive everyone from Gaza has failed.
And he's created maybe 100,000 new recruits for Hamas or whatever the next militant opposition to Israeli oppression will be called.
 
Play the game and play it fairly
Play the game like Dermot Earley.

whitey

Quote from: Truthsayer on January 14, 2025, 07:09:07 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 14, 2025, 07:06:32 PMHope they get it done, because beginning next Monday all bets are off
When were bets on? Over 45,000 civilians murdered. Genocide...can it get worse? Kill them all?


After raping and murdering and beheading over 1000 people, including teenagers at a concert, Hamas retreated and hid among their civilian population, using them as human shields

I'd defer your questions to Hamas

I'd

Truthsayer

Quote from: whitey on January 14, 2025, 07:22:56 PM
Quote from: Truthsayer on January 14, 2025, 07:09:07 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 14, 2025, 07:06:32 PMHope they get it done, because beginning next Monday all bets are off
When were bets on? Over 45,000 civilians murdered. Genocide...can it get worse? Kill them all?


After raping and murdering and beheading over 1000 people, including teenagers at a concert, Hamas retreated and hid among their civilian population, using them as human shields

I'd defer your questions to Hamas

I'd
The raping and beheading didn't happen but you know that.
Do you not have a fire to put out instead of pumping money into genocide?

trileacman

Quote from: whitey on January 14, 2025, 07:22:56 PM
Quote from: Truthsayer on January 14, 2025, 07:09:07 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 14, 2025, 07:06:32 PMHope they get it done, because beginning next Monday all bets are off
When were bets on? Over 45,000 civilians murdered. Genocide...can it get worse? Kill them all?


After raping and murdering and beheading over 1000 people, including teenagers at a concert, Hamas retreated and hid among their civilian population, using them as human shields

I'd defer your questions to Hamas

I'd

Executing the human shields isn't really an excuse though.
Fantasy Rugby World Cup Champion 2011,
Fantasy 6 Nations Champion 2014

whitey

Quote from: Truthsayer on January 14, 2025, 07:25:36 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 14, 2025, 07:22:56 PM
Quote from: Truthsayer on January 14, 2025, 07:09:07 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 14, 2025, 07:06:32 PMHope they get it done, because beginning next Monday all bets are off
When were bets on? Over 45,000 civilians murdered. Genocide...can it get worse? Kill them all?


After raping and murdering and beheading over 1000 people, including teenagers at a concert, Hamas retreated and hid among their civilian population, using them as human shields

I'd defer your questions to Hamas

I'd
The raping and beheading didn't happen but you know that.
Do you not have a fire to put out instead of pumping money into genocide?

Believe whatever you want

https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15621.doc.htm


"It was a catalogue of the most extreme and inhumane forms of killing, torture and other horrors," including sexual violence, she stated.  The team also found convincing information that sexual violence was committed against hostages, and has reasonable grounds to believe that such violence may still be ongoing against those in captivity"

trileacman

Quote from: whitey on January 14, 2025, 07:34:23 PM
Quote from: Truthsayer on January 14, 2025, 07:25:36 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 14, 2025, 07:22:56 PM
Quote from: Truthsayer on January 14, 2025, 07:09:07 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 14, 2025, 07:06:32 PMHope they get it done, because beginning next Monday all bets are off
When were bets on? Over 45,000 civilians murdered. Genocide...can it get worse? Kill them all?


After raping and murdering and beheading over 1000 people, including teenagers at a concert, Hamas retreated and hid among their civilian population, using them as human shields

I'd defer your questions to Hamas

I'd
The raping and beheading didn't happen but you know that.
Do you not have a fire to put out instead of pumping money into genocide?

Believe whatever you want

https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15621.doc.htm


"It was a catalogue of the most extreme and inhumane forms of killing, torture and other horrors," including sexual violence, she stated.  The team also found convincing information that sexual violence was committed against hostages, and has reasonable grounds to believe that such violence may still be ongoing against those in captivity"

Have you read that?

QuoteThe plight of Palestinians is not a recent phenomenon, he continued, noting that only three criminal investigations have been initiated in response to 1,400 complaints about acts of torture since 2001.  None have led to indictments.  "What the Palestinians — particularly women — endure is a litmus test for the credibility of international law and the global framework outlined in Security Council resolutions," he underscored, urging an immediate end to ongoing atrocities.
Fantasy Rugby World Cup Champion 2011,
Fantasy 6 Nations Champion 2014

whitey

Quote from: trileacman on January 14, 2025, 07:37:07 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 14, 2025, 07:34:23 PM
Quote from: Truthsayer on January 14, 2025, 07:25:36 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 14, 2025, 07:22:56 PM
Quote from: Truthsayer on January 14, 2025, 07:09:07 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 14, 2025, 07:06:32 PMHope they get it done, because beginning next Monday all bets are off
When were bets on? Over 45,000 civilians murdered. Genocide...can it get worse? Kill them all?


After raping and murdering and beheading over 1000 people, including teenagers at a concert, Hamas retreated and hid among their civilian population, using them as human shields

I'd defer your questions to Hamas

I'd
The raping and beheading didn't happen but you know that.
Do you not have a fire to put out instead of pumping money into genocide?

Believe whatever you want

https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15621.doc.htm


"It was a catalogue of the most extreme and inhumane forms of killing, torture and other horrors," including sexual violence, she stated.  The team also found convincing information that sexual violence was committed against hostages, and has reasonable grounds to believe that such violence may still be ongoing against those in captivity"

Have you read that?

QuoteThe plight of Palestinians is not a recent phenomenon, he continued, noting that only three criminal investigations have been initiated in response to 1,400 complaints about acts of torture since 2001.  None have led to indictments.  "What the Palestinians — particularly women — endure is a litmus test for the credibility of international law and the global framework outlined in Security Council resolutions," he underscored, urging an immediate end to ongoing atrocities.


Peace was on the Horizon prior to October 7th but Hamas didn't want it

They chose war-and got what they wanted

Truthsayer

Quote from: trileacman on January 14, 2025, 07:37:07 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 14, 2025, 07:34:23 PM
Quote from: Truthsayer on January 14, 2025, 07:25:36 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 14, 2025, 07:22:56 PM
Quote from: Truthsayer on January 14, 2025, 07:09:07 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 14, 2025, 07:06:32 PMHope they get it done, because beginning next Monday all bets are off
When were bets on? Over 45,000 civilians murdered. Genocide...can it get worse? Kill them all?


After raping and murdering and beheading over 1000 people, including teenagers at a concert, Hamas retreated and hid among their civilian population, using them as human shields

I'd defer your questions to Hamas

I'd
The raping and beheading didn't happen but you know that.
Do you not have a fire to put out instead of pumping money into genocide?

Believe whatever you want

https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15621.doc.htm


"It was a catalogue of the most extreme and inhumane forms of killing, torture and other horrors," including sexual violence, she stated.  The team also found convincing information that sexual violence was committed against hostages, and has reasonable grounds to believe that such violence may still be ongoing against those in captivity"

Have you read that?

QuoteThe plight of Palestinians is not a recent phenomenon, he continued, noting that only three criminal investigations have been initiated in response to 1,400 complaints about acts of torture since 2001.  None have led to indictments.  "What the Palestinians — particularly women — endure is a litmus test for the credibility of international law and the global framework outlined in Security Council resolutions," he underscored, urging an immediate end to ongoing atrocities.

Indeed.. believe what you want..
https://www.google.com/amp/s/tribune.com.pk/story/2520789/israeli-prosecutor-confirms-no-rape-allegations-from-october-7-attacks%3famp=1

trileacman

Quote from: whitey on January 14, 2025, 07:41:38 PMPeace was on the Horizon prior to October 7th but Hamas didn't want it

They chose war-and got what they wanted

That's incorrect. Since 2001 Israel has been pursuing a policy of seizing Palestinian land and building illegal settlements on them. There is a deliberate policy of dismemberment of Palestinian areas.

Israel has never said it would remove it's illegal settlements from Palestinian land.
Fantasy Rugby World Cup Champion 2011,
Fantasy 6 Nations Champion 2014

whitey

Quote from: Truthsayer on January 14, 2025, 07:46:26 PM
Quote from: trileacman on January 14, 2025, 07:37:07 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 14, 2025, 07:34:23 PM
Quote from: Truthsayer on January 14, 2025, 07:25:36 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 14, 2025, 07:22:56 PM
Quote from: Truthsayer on January 14, 2025, 07:09:07 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 14, 2025, 07:06:32 PMHope they get it done, because beginning next Monday all bets are off
When were bets on? Over 45,000 civilians murdered. Genocide...can it get worse? Kill them all?


After raping and murdering and beheading over 1000 people, including teenagers at a concert, Hamas retreated and hid among their civilian population, using them as human shields

I'd defer your questions to Hamas

I'd
The raping and beheading didn't happen but you know that.
Do you not have a fire to put out instead of pumping money into genocide?

Believe whatever you want

https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15621.doc.htm


"It was a catalogue of the most extreme and inhumane forms of killing, torture and other horrors," including sexual violence, she stated.  The team also found convincing information that sexual violence was committed against hostages, and has reasonable grounds to believe that such violence may still be ongoing against those in captivity"

Have you read that?

QuoteThe plight of Palestinians is not a recent phenomenon, he continued, noting that only three criminal investigations have been initiated in response to 1,400 complaints about acts of torture since 2001.  None have led to indictments.  "What the Palestinians — particularly women — endure is a litmus test for the credibility of international law and the global framework outlined in Security Council resolutions," he underscored, urging an immediate end to ongoing atrocities.

Indeed.. believe what you want..
https://www.google.com/amp/s/tribune.com.pk/story/2520789/israeli-prosecutor-confirms-no-rape-allegations-from-october-7-attacks%3famp=1


So as I said you found one source that you believe and I found another that backs up what I believe

Truthsayer

Quote from: whitey on January 14, 2025, 07:49:37 PM
Quote from: Truthsayer on January 14, 2025, 07:46:26 PM
Quote from: trileacman on January 14, 2025, 07:37:07 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 14, 2025, 07:34:23 PM
Quote from: Truthsayer on January 14, 2025, 07:25:36 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 14, 2025, 07:22:56 PM
Quote from: Truthsayer on January 14, 2025, 07:09:07 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 14, 2025, 07:06:32 PMHope they get it done, because beginning next Monday all bets are off
When were bets on? Over 45,000 civilians murdered. Genocide...can it get worse? Kill them all?


After raping and murdering and beheading over 1000 people, including teenagers at a concert, Hamas retreated and hid among their civilian population, using them as human shields

I'd defer your questions to Hamas

I'd
The raping and beheading didn't happen but you know that.
Do you not have a fire to put out instead of pumping money into genocide?

Believe whatever you want

https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15621.doc.htm


"It was a catalogue of the most extreme and inhumane forms of killing, torture and other horrors," including sexual violence, she stated.  The team also found convincing information that sexual violence was committed against hostages, and has reasonable grounds to believe that such violence may still be ongoing against those in captivity"

Have you read that?

QuoteThe plight of Palestinians is not a recent phenomenon, he continued, noting that only three criminal investigations have been initiated in response to 1,400 complaints about acts of torture since 2001.  None have led to indictments.  "What the Palestinians — particularly women — endure is a litmus test for the credibility of international law and the global framework outlined in Security Council resolutions," he underscored, urging an immediate end to ongoing atrocities.

Indeed.. believe what you want..
https://www.google.com/amp/s/tribune.com.pk/story/2520789/israeli-prosecutor-confirms-no-rape-allegations-from-october-7-attacks%3famp=1


So as I said you found one source that you believe and I found another that backs up what I believe
That's it. And sources also belie the rape claims. However there is no justifying the Hamas attack on civilians... Netenyahu seized the opportunity for genocide and landgrab. He never wanted peace.