Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[Banks of the Bann]

Weird to consider that the Ex-jihadi terrorist/newly anointed leader of whatever's left of Syria is considered a better friend to Israel than Simon Harris.

Aw, still lamenting the fall of the bloodiest butcher the ME has probably ever seen. Assad has killed more innocents than even that thug Netanyahu and that takes some doing. Plenty of Palestinians too in those mass graves of men, women and children all over Syria.

Not that you actually care about anyone in the ME, you just hate the US and that's it. All the innocents murdered by the likes of Assad don't even register as people to you.

[theskull1]

It's true though .. you don't find that strange considering what Israel is doing to his fellow muslims never mind the land they are stealing and bombing? Whats your read on that?

[03,05,08]

It's true though .. you don't find that strange considering what Israel is doing to his fellow muslims never mind the land they are stealing and bombing? Whats your read on that?

Is it not a case of Assad was allied with Iran and that is more of a threat to israel than an unorganised rebel gov ?

[theskull1]

Yeah .. they (ISIS/ISIL/Al-qaeda/Al-nusra front/HTS etc etc) have never attacked Israel, so completely understandable from Israels perspective. Rumours that they're all mossad controlled just doesn't hold water.

[Banks of the Bann]

It's true though .. you don't find that strange considering what Israel is doing to his fellow muslims never mind the land they are stealing and bombing? Whats your read on that?

You expect the new leaders of Syria to attack Israel two weeks after overthrowing Assad?

[theskull1]

No.Israel would have to talk them into it next time they want to do another land grab.

[Banks of the Bann]

No.Israel would have to talk them into it next time they want to do another land grab.

So you don't expect the new leader of Syria to attack Israel yet even 'considering what Israel is doing to his fellow Muslims'.

Ok. What's your point then?

[Denn Forever]

No.Israel would have to talk them into it next time they want to do another land grab.

So you don't expect the new leader of Syria to attack Israel yet even 'considering what Israel is doing to his fellow Muslims'.

Careful now.

[Sportacus]

Good riddance to the Israel embassy.  Ireland will look back in years to come and will have not a shred of regret.  As usual Michael D spoke for us with dignity, clarity and wisdom. Starmer and other leaders were equivocal and Israel took full advantage.  A psychopath regime.  I do hope it doesn't blow back on Irish peacekeepers in the region who are just sitting ducks. And I'll throw in Brolly the spoofer for good measure.  He loved tweeting about Micheal's visit, even though Brolly himself cosied up to Biden something shocking. Clown.

[johnnycool]

Around a third of Ireland admit to anti semitic views. Yeah sure they do...

Probably more than that if Anti-semitic means what they think it does.

Antisemitism was redefined to mean opposition to Israel rather than hatred of Jews. Ireland does not hate Jews.

And this was the stick used to beat Jeremy Corbyn with it when he also refused to accept this new definition of Antisemitism..

[Truthsayer]

Good riddance to the Israel embassy.  Ireland will look back in years to come and will have not a shred of regret.  As usual Michael D spoke for us with dignity, clarity and wisdom. Starmer and other leaders were equivocal and Israel took full advantage.  A psychopath regime.  I do hope it doesn't blow back on Irish peacekeepers in the region who are just sitting ducks. And I'll throw in Brolly the spoofer for good measure.  He loved tweeting about Micheal's visit, even though Brolly himself cosied up to Biden something shocking. Clown.

Absolute nonsense bout Brolly. He tweeted that before this whole genocide and has been totally calling out Biden for months. Said how he was taken in by him etc and as much as anyone calls out Biden, Netenyahu, and Israel with facts and figures on genocide in his podcasts and tweets.
Lazy comments lad...

[seafoid]

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2024/12/18/michael-mcdowell-israel-has-accused-irish-politicians-of-anti-semitism-before-it-has-never-been-true/
Michael McDowell: Israel has accused Irish politicians of anti-Semitism before
Ireland's position on Israel has always been consistent. If our Government is guilty of anything, it is delay
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Israel has said it will close its embassy in Dublin and accused the Irish Government of pursuing 'extreme anti-Israel policies'. Photograph: Cillian Sherlock/PA Wire
 
Michael McDowell
Wed Dec 18 2024 - 06:00
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It should come as no surprise that the Israeli foreign minister should accuse the Irish Taoiseach of anti-Semitism. After all, the spokesman for the same minister's department of foreign affairs levelled the exact same charge against the members of the Seanad who voted in the majority to pass the Control of Economic Activity (Occupied Territories) Bill, 2018.
Those alleged anti-Semites included senators David Norris, Ivana Bacik and myself, among others. The accusation was a grossly defamatory slur on decent people.
The Bill was passed at second stage by Seanad Éireann on December 5th, 2018, long before the barbaric and unforgivable Hamas war crime of the October 7th, 2023 invasion of southern Israel. The Bill was solely concerned with making it illegal to import goods, services and resources into Ireland originating in settlement enterprises established in lands unlawfully seized by occupying powers, as defined by international law.
At the time, our cause of concern was the state-sponsored or state-assisted annexation of lands by Israel in the West Bank and by Russia in eastern Ukraine. But the Bill was of general application to occupied territories recognised as such by competent tribunals for the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949. At stake was the need to stand up to de facto annexation of territory in breach of international law. In the West Bank, there had been a consistent pattern of this by illegal Israeli settlers granted armed protection and encouragement by – as well as economic integration into – the state of Israel. The process has been accelerated and consolidated by governments led by Binyamin Netanyahu. Their unstated, but generally understood, strategy was to make the two-state solution for the Israeli-Palestinian issue practically impossible.
Ireland has always insisted on the right of Israel to exist and to defend itself in accordance with the internationally recognised boundaries as provided for in UN Resolution 242. We have never accepted the validity of any formal or informal expansion of Israel into lands in the West Bank or the Gaza Strip. We have been consistently of that position for the last half-century; that is the international consensus accepted by the UN. Likewise, Ireland upholds international law in relation to the duties and rights of the civilian population of occupied territories.
It is now plain that the Netanyahu government is intent on the destruction of any basis for a two-state solution. Part of its strategy was to undermine the position of the Palestinian Authority as an interlocutor and as an entity capable of negotiating that two-state solution at international level.
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It had been a consistent strategy of the Netanyahu governments to encourage the existence of Hamas as a movement in Gaza with a view to diminishing the status of the authorities in Ramallah. The problem with that strategy was that it ignored what was previously thought to be impossible – namely that Hamas extremists would prepare and execute a barbaric, murderous ground invasion of Israel itself such as happened 14 months ago.
I warned here, and indeed spoke in Seanad Éireann, about the real choices faced by Israel in the aftermath of October 7th. The sheer scale of killing unleashed by Israel in Gaza has resulted in the deaths of at least 40,000 innocent civilians. Deaths by disease, malnutrition and by dislocation of elderly and ill patients will probably never be quantified. Who will count the number of limbless, sightless, maimed and deranged survivors? Who will rebuild the homes, hospitals, schools, mosques and churches that all now lie in rubble there? Was that all done without long-term consequence?
If the Irish Government is guilty of anything, it is guilty of delay. By deliberately foot-tripping the Occupied Territories Bill in 2018 by a mixture of unlawful stratagems, including the false invocation of imaginary EU legal objections and the withholding of a government money message in the Dáil, it showed weakness and cowardice.
Those of us in the Seanad who by great majority supported the Occupied Territories Bill knew that the practical effect of its enactment would be very small, but that it represented a clear legislative statement and a vindication of the fundamental principles of international law and a peaceful world order in the face of forcible annexation and dispossession.
Opposition to radical and extremist Zionism is not, and never can be equated to, anti-Semitism. Such opposition is shared by many Jews here and abroad. When the elected government of Israel resorts to such a defamatory equation, it undermines and devalues the very meaning of anti-Semitism.
Those of us who abhor the threat to the existence of the state of Israel represented by Hamas, Hizbullah and the Islamic Republic of Iran refuse to be branded anti-Semites for standing by international law – including military defenders' duties of proportionality and humanity in relation to the innocent and defenceless.
Where are the hostages in the name of whom so much carnage occurred? Whose survival, I wonder, ultimately mattered more – theirs or Netanyahu's?

[johnnycool]

Good God,
    Even Michael McDowell is kicking back against Israels claims about antisemitic Ireland.

If anything Israel has united Political Ireland like never before except for some ballbag on Gript.

[seafoid]

Nobody disses Michael D. His response was also impressive

[Rossfan]

Good God,
    Even Michael McDowell is kicking back against Israels claims about antisemitic Ireland.

If anything Israel has united Political Ireland like never before except for some ballbag on Gript.

The gripters got their answer in the GE.