Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[johnnycool]

It doesn't seem to have been much of a success. A lot of innocent civilians have been injured. And 60,000 Israelis from  the north of Israel within missile reach of the border are still marooned in hotels.

Israelis you mean? A huge understatement otherwise.

I'm not saying they aren't innocent but if you go and plant someone elses land then you're far from innocent and almost certainly IDF trained operatives.

[Simon OParlon]

Wait, forget about the Nabka and the recent genocide and everything else in between.

Has anyone considered telling the Palestinians they should just stop fighting and surrender?

If they object, tell them to study 'Dulce et decorum est' by Wilfred Owen. They could learn a thing or two from that and finally have peace in their land.

Regards,

Si.

trolling again luca/fr murphy/ si etc. etc.

all calls have been for a ceasefire and peace... not surrender or more war... Hard for war mongers to understand.

surprising no lectures why the west should arm palestinians to stop a genocide from you..  Arabs not as important as Ukrainians.

Oh hello, it's you.

Pointing out lunatic western idiocy is not trolling.

You call for peace? How admirable. I hereby call for peace in Ukraine and Palestine too. Let me know when Putin and Netanyahu get my message and peace is delivered.

Everyone wants peace and no more war (everywhere) but when you're being invaded by a genocidal imperial neighbour bent on conquest do you think it's appropriate to lecture the defenders with WW1 poetry?

Regards,

Si.

yes its me, one of the hundreds of posters not constantly banned for insulting and trolling..

your comment about the Palestinians surrendering was trolling...

I'm not lecturing anyone, I'm posting my opinions on a gaaboard... I dont know what's an appropriate response to your insults and trolling... I am going back to ignoring you.. theskull and others can choose their own response.

Lots of insults fly around this forum mostly from the old hands who can get away with whatever they like.

My post about Palestinians surrendering was applying Skulls logic to Palestine to highlight the idiocy of what he was saying and the double standards he applies. That is not trolling.

Best you put me on ignore, that way you won't have to watch me take apart the pro-Russian propaganda that yourself and others watch and spread. Interesting that you call fact checking, trolling.

You can't handle the truth.

Regards,

Si.

[seafoid]

Apparently the Israelis were worried that they were going to be discovered by Hezbollah so they triggered the beepers . It looks less sophisticated if a lot of civilians are injured. Israel has been unable to defeat Hamas and it can't defeat Hezbollah. 

[whitey]

I'm currently reading Condaleeza Rice's book about her time as Secretary of State and the peace deal struck between the Israelis and the Palestinians in 2006

https://www.amazon.com/No-Higher-Honor-Memoir-Washington-ebook/dp/B005GQ2I2G?dplnkId=e6197b5e-3f8e-464c-a045-409e16fcda9c&nodl=1

I wonder if history would have turned out differently for the Palestinians if they hadn't voted Hamas into power at that time

It seems (to me anyways) that a lasting peace was a very real possibility at that time

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/24/gaza-election-hamas-2006-palestine-israel/

[Truthsayer]

I'm currently reading Condaleeza Rice's book about her time as Secretary of State and the peace deal struck between the Israelis and the Palestinians in 2006

https://www.amazon.com/No-Higher-Honor-Memoir-Washington-ebook/dp/B005GQ2I2G?dplnkId=e6197b5e-3f8e-464c-a045-409e16fcda9c&nodl=1

I wonder if history would have turned out differently for the Palestinians if they hadn't voted Hamas into power at that time

It seems (to me anyways) that a lasting peace was a very real possibility at that time

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/24/gaza-election-hamas-2006-palestine-israel/

Netenyahu never wanted peace. Not now not ever. He is the embodiment of evil. Fingerprints all over the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin. Even your hero Trump has stated same.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/labor-chief-michaeli-rabin-was-assassinated-with-netanyahus-cooperation/

[dec]

And now exploring radios

[tonto1888]

I'm currently reading Condaleeza Rice's book about her time as Secretary of State and the peace deal struck between the Israelis and the Palestinians in 2006

https://www.amazon.com/No-Higher-Honor-Memoir-Washington-ebook/dp/B005GQ2I2G?dplnkId=e6197b5e-3f8e-464c-a045-409e16fcda9c&nodl=1

I wonder if history would have turned out differently for the Palestinians if they hadn't voted Hamas into power at that time

It seems (to me anyways) that a lasting peace was a very real possibility at that time

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/24/gaza-election-hamas-2006-palestine-israel/

thats right. Blame the Palestinians ffs

[Hound]

I'm currently reading Condaleeza Rice's book about her time as Secretary of State and the peace deal struck between the Israelis and the Palestinians in 2006

https://www.amazon.com/No-Higher-Honor-Memoir-Washington-ebook/dp/B005GQ2I2G?dplnkId=e6197b5e-3f8e-464c-a045-409e16fcda9c&nodl=1

I wonder if history would have turned out differently for the Palestinians if they hadn't voted Hamas into power at that time

It seems (to me anyways) that a lasting peace was a very real possibility at that time

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/24/gaza-election-hamas-2006-palestine-israel/

That's a good article. The Palestinian people let down by everyone. The disasterous vote for Hamas wasn't a vote for terrorism but really a protest vote against corruption and incompetence and Hamas weaseled their way in. 

[Brendan]

Israel dish out the same type of democracy as the Americans then, vote for who you like...until you get it right

[theskull1]

I assume people already know this ...but in case they don't ......

For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.

The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority's West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state.

For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it's blown up in our faces

[Milltown Row2]

That's all well and good but, the here and now needs sorted.

There are hundreds of proxy wars between the Russians and the US that could have saved millions of lives and it still continues.

There will be an escalation of this with the Israelis heading the other direction. That'll bring in Iran and the Russians (even more so) with the Americans and West following with even more support.

If people think it's bad now, I predict it to be 10 times as bad if that starts up

[theskull1]

If you're a resource rich country not willing to align with the wests central banking enterprise and allow them to enrich themselves, you are the enemy and you will be targeted.

The resistance to these Neo-colonial forces in these countries (Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Syria) is bringing us to a world war. It patently obvious Western elites do not want peace and stability. Zionists run the game and they will need your sons and daughters when the time comes. It feels like it's only a matter of time as there isn't one country in the west who doesn't look like their government isn't controlled by these people.   

[johnnycool]

That's all well and good but, the here and now needs sorted.

There are hundreds of proxy wars between the Russians and the US that could have saved millions of lives and it still continues.

There will be an escalation of this with the Israelis heading the other direction. That'll bring in Iran and the Russians (even more so) with the Americans and West following with even more support.

If people think it's bad now, I predict it to be 10 times as bad if that starts up

The Yanks don't really give a shít about Iran, it's all a bit of posturing on both sides, proxy crap as you rightly point out. Russia may provide some nuclear intelligence or indeed a few spare nuclear warheads in return for missiles and that could be a game changer for the Middle East...

Currently the Yanks biggest concern is the Saudi's who to this point are indifferent to the Palestinian cause and will probably remain so unless Israel inadvertently does something stupid to upset them. A pager going off on a plane with Saudi's on it would do that.

[thebigfella]

If you're a resource rich country not willing to align with the wests central banking enterprise and allow them to enrich themselves, you are the enemy and you will be targeted.

The resistance to these Neo-colonial forces in these countries (Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Syria) is bringing us to a world war. It patently obvious Western elites do not want peace and stability. Zionists run the game and they will need your sons and daughters when the time comes. It feels like it's only a matter of time as there isn't one country in the west who doesn't look like their government isn't controlled by these people.   

The state of this.

[johnnycool]

If you're a resource rich country not willing to align with the wests central banking enterprise and allow them to enrich themselves, you are the enemy and you will be targeted.

The resistance to these Neo-colonial forces in these countries (Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Syria) is bringing us to a world war. It patently obvious Western elites do not want peace and stability. Zionists run the game and they will need your sons and daughters when the time comes. It feels like it's only a matter of time as there isn't one country in the west who doesn't look like their government isn't controlled by these people.   

The state of this.

Have you ever looked into the IMF and it's dealings in Latin America and Africa?

It's not as absurd as it seems.

Remember Bono's "cancel the debt" roadshow. How did that end up?

No debt was cancelled and Bono is now a plaything.