Man Utd Thread:

[Blowitupref]

It was never going to end well giving that interview.  Things are better said behind closed doors, but perhaps he knew it was coming soon and got his piece out before he got fired.   

A stubbornness to change and adapt was his biggest flaw.  Although I agree with him that changing his highly touted formation due to external pressure would have looked weak, it ultimately led to underwhelming results and cost him his job. 

Expectation at Man Utd always makes this a difficult job.  They are miles off top 4 consistency despite what fans think. 

Whoever take the reigns full time next, needs to out and out say we are aiming to finsh 1/2 positions higher than last season, and maintain that goal each year. 

They are nowhere near top 4, and any declaration of top 4 intent is putting a rod on your back.   

4th/5th would be a natural expectations for a club like them and no disrespect to Aston Villa but they are currently 3rd and shouid grab champions league football again. The expectations with those in charge is probably a league title challenge and they are nowhere near that.

Not a surprise Ruben Amorim has been sacked though the timing is odd. Under INEOS's ownership of Nice they are onto their 5th manager in 8 years so probably something similar with Man United for the next decade as they use the media to hype up the new stadium that may never get built?

[JimStynes]

jez look at the team yesterday

lammers - jury out but looks workable
shaw - done
heavenly - a kid
dorku - raw, has potential , suddenly finds himself a main man in the team
Martinez - if can stay fit, good player
casimeiro - done
dalot - crap, inconsistent
ugarte - crap
Sesko - what a waste of money
yoro - inconsistent & unreliable
cunha - one bit of quality & now main man (with Bruno out)
Sirske - waste of money out

there's 4 players you prob keep out of that
Amorim deserves a medal having Utd sitting 5th with that bunch

They'll probably go elsewhere and become Balon d'or nominees

[AustinPowers]

https://www.sportscasting.com/uk/news/next-manchester-united-manager-betting-odds/

Oliver Glasner 3/1
 Enzo Maresca 9/2
 Unai Emery 6/1
 Darren Fletcher 7/1
 Laurent Blanc 15/2
 Xavi 8/1
 Andoni Iraola 10/1
 Gareth Southgate 10/1
 Ole Gunnar Solskjaer 12/1
 Kieran McKenna 14/1
 Michael Carrick 14/1
 Antonio Conte 16/1
 Marco Silva 20/1
 Mauricio Pochettino 20/1
 Edin Terzic 25/1
 Jose Mourinho 25/1
 Ruud van Nistelrooy 25/1
 Roy Keane 28/1
 David Moyes 33/1
 Fabian Hürzeler 33/1
 Luis Enrique 33/1
 Marco Rose 33/1
 Regis Le Bris 33/1
 Erik ten Hag 40/1
 Wayne Rooney 50/1

I  think Southgate . I said it last time  , but I'll say it again 

No compensation to pay , unlike Emery or Glasner

[lurganblue]

https://www.sportscasting.com/uk/news/next-manchester-united-manager-betting-odds/

Oliver Glasner 3/1
 Enzo Maresca 9/2
 Unai Emery 6/1
 Darren Fletcher 7/1
 Laurent Blanc 15/2
 Xavi 8/1
 Andoni Iraola 10/1
 Gareth Southgate 10/1
 Ole Gunnar Solskjaer 12/1
 Kieran McKenna 14/1
 Michael Carrick 14/1
 Antonio Conte 16/1
 Marco Silva 20/1
 Mauricio Pochettino 20/1
 Edin Terzic 25/1
 Jose Mourinho 25/1
 Ruud van Nistelrooy 25/1
 Roy Keane 28/1
 David Moyes 33/1
 Fabian Hürzeler 33/1
 Luis Enrique 33/1
 Marco Rose 33/1
 Regis Le Bris 33/1
 Erik ten Hag 40/1
 Wayne Rooney 50/1

I  think Southgate . I said it last time  , but I'll say it again

No compensation to pay , unlike Emery or Glasner

Glasner contract finishes this summer I believe because I think I read he wasnt keen on extending. I think he should be one of the top candidates.

I see Emery linked a lot with roles.  Now I'm not saying it is impossible, but people need to understand the free reign he has been given at Villa. He has been given the keys to nearly every aspect of the club and has moulded it.  I think that makes him unlikely, but nothing in football would surprise me.

[JPGJOHNNYG]

Not Southgate, thankfully he blew a great opportunity for England to win something, a nice guy, speaks well to the media but tactically rubbish and no idea about how to use subs

[Captain Obvious]

https://www.sportscasting.com/uk/news/next-manchester-united-manager-betting-odds/

Oliver Glasner 3/1
 Enzo Maresca 9/2
 Unai Emery 6/1
 Darren Fletcher 7/1
 Laurent Blanc 15/2
 Xavi 8/1
 Andoni Iraola 10/1
 Gareth Southgate 10/1
 Ole Gunnar Solskjaer 12/1
 Kieran McKenna 14/1
 Michael Carrick 14/1
 Antonio Conte 16/1
 Marco Silva 20/1
 Mauricio Pochettino 20/1
 Edin Terzic 25/1
 Jose Mourinho 25/1
 Ruud van Nistelrooy 25/1
 Roy Keane 28/1
 David Moyes 33/1
 Fabian Hürzeler 33/1
 Luis Enrique 33/1
 Marco Rose 33/1
 Regis Le Bris 33/1
 Erik ten Hag 40/1
 Wayne Rooney 50/1

tiempo's man, checked his latest post and like clockwork he's mentioned him 

[Captain Scarlet]

I think it will be Southgate as he would be a company man and does know how to deal with an often toxic media.

The problem with all the chopping an changing is that you have so many different styles of players and then lads who have somehow not been shipped out.

As mentioned United are not the draw they once were so they end up paying way over the odds for mid players. Meanwhile others can pick up better quality for less.

I remember in the first week Amorim seemed annoyed when Sky were dragging him off for another interview and he said it was something he would need to get used to. I think he didn't seem to realise the circus that is modern-day United.

For now, I don't want a manager with a big philosophy who needs X Y and Z players. Just get to the basics and there are spots up for grabs that won't be there next year.
Liverpool and Chelsea will be back up. Villa will strenghten. Spurs (maybe) and Newcastle will be a bit better.

Dare I say get Rashford back under a new man? Get Mainoo playing and see who can be offloaded...

[Armagh18]

The entire Amorim process reflects poorly on the people running the club and all highlights Man United remain one of the worst ran clubs around.

Journalists claiming it's what he said in the press conferences that eventually got him sacked. The pre Leeds conference he looked depressed as basically told Journalists no new players would be brought in during the January window.  That tells me Jim and Co had lost trust in him and didn't want to make anymore signings under his watch when they were certainly needed especially with the long list of players currently out.

Yesterday after the match he was ranting about how he was the manager than the coach. While the Man United statement today has him down as head coach.

Leaving the team level on points with 5th and 3 points off 4th reflects the lack of quality of the Premier League. Probably would have finished the season on about 60 points and outside the top 4/5 will his replacement do any better?

His win percentage was 38% overall and 33% in the Premier League and that was simply unacceptable for a Man United manager as was getting knocked out of the League cup by Grimsby and losing and not scoring against such a poor Spurs team in the Europa league final last season

No matter who the manager is they have 1 central midfielder at the club who isn't either shite, playing out of position or on his last legs.


They've also no right back (Dalot doesn't count) unless they're sticking to the wingbacks system with Amad. Plus 1 senior striker who's totally unproven.

Signings are needed no matter the manager, a proper club would be making them.

[Ethan Tremblay]

It was never going to end well giving that interview.  Things are better said behind closed doors, but perhaps he knew it was coming soon and got his piece out before he got fired.   

A stubbornness to change and adapt was his biggest flaw.  Although I agree with him that changing his highly touted formation due to external pressure would have looked weak, it ultimately led to underwhelming results and cost him his job. 

Expectation at Man Utd always makes this a difficult job.  They are miles off top 4 consistency despite what fans think. 

Whoever take the reigns full time next, needs to out and out say we are aiming to finsh 1/2 positions higher than last season, and maintain that goal each year. 

They are nowhere near top 4, and any declaration of top 4 intent is putting a rod on your back.  

But the thing is they ARE, at least this season. Liverpool are in the midst of a difficult transition with no certainty as to how it will turn out, Newcastle have fallen back, don't know what the hell is going on at Chelsea, Spurs are very poor. Low 60s in points will probably get those fourth and (presumably) fifth CL spots this year with no one showing any shape of putting a five game winning streak together.

That in itself half proves the point i'm trying to make.  United had a great opportunity to jump into fourth over the past two games and squandered it.  Teams like Liverpool are playing unusually poor at the moment, and United cannot capitalize on that. 

Drawing with one of the worst teams in premier league history and another that is bouncing up and down between the championship. 

I genuinely don't think United will get 4th place.   

[Capt Pat]

Ogs is the man for United.

[trileacman]

Let's be honest Amorin was a dick. Always someone else to blame but him. I never got the media love-in that he cultivated, a foreign manager with poorer English would have been out the door 12 months ago.

Always blaming players is a fairly shitty way of going about your job too, they are contracted same as you so if you can't off-load them you make use of them in any manner.

Klopp had plenty of driftwood too but made use of guys like Sturridge until he could off-load them, he wasn't constantly falling out with players for the fun of it.

[JoG2]

Not Southgate, thankfully he blew a great opportunity for England to win something, a nice guy, speaks well to the media but tactically rubbish and no idea about how to use subs

That's putting it nicely imo, like two Euro finals and a WC s/f... Muck!

[lurganblue]

The entire Amorim process reflects poorly on the people running the club and all highlights Man United remain one of the worst ran clubs around.

Journalists claiming it's what he said in the press conferences that eventually got him sacked. The pre Leeds conference he looked depressed as basically told Journalists no new players would be brought in during the January window.  That tells me Jim and Co had lost trust in him and didn't want to make anymore signings under his watch when they were certainly needed especially with the long list of players currently out.

Yesterday after the match he was ranting about how he was the manager than the coach. While the Man United statement today has him down as head coach.

Leaving the team level on points with 5th and 3 points off 4th reflects the lack of quality of the Premier League. Probably would have finished the season on about 60 points and outside the top 4/5 will his replacement do any better?

His win percentage was 38% overall and 33% in the Premier League and that was simply unacceptable for a Man United manager as was getting knocked out of the League cup by Grimsby and losing and not scoring against such a poor Spurs team in the Europa league final last season

No matter who the manager is they have 1 central midfielder at the club who isn't either shite, playing out of position or on his last legs.


They've also no right back (Dalot doesn't count) unless they're sticking to the wingbacks system with Amad. Plus 1 senior striker who's totally unproven.

Signings are needed no matter the manager, a proper club would be making them.

Does Mainoo fall into the "shite" section? Amazing for the one time England rising star.

A blind man could see that Utd needed to strengthen the midfield in the summer but they prioritised elsewhere. Cunha and Mbeumo are good signings though.  Sesko is a wooden one.

That said, Amorim has recently been operating without Bruno, Slabhead, mount, DeLigt, Diallo and Mazraoui which I'm sure is a blow.  However, he has shown little competence when he has had a full deck too. 

[JPGJOHNNYG]

Not Southgate, thankfully he blew a great opportunity for England to win something, a nice guy, speaks well to the media but tactically rubbish and no idea about how to use subs

That's putting it nicely imo, like two Euro finals and a WC s/f... Muck!

They defo had the upper hand against Croatia and Italy until he decided to revert to his safe/negative tactics. If he was so good he would have landed a top job before now. To be fair he might actually be better than ten Haag and amorin at Utd but I'm thinking most Utd fans will be praying it won't be him

[Armagh18]

The entire Amorim process reflects poorly on the people running the club and all highlights Man United remain one of the worst ran clubs around.

Journalists claiming it's what he said in the press conferences that eventually got him sacked. The pre Leeds conference he looked depressed as basically told Journalists no new players would be brought in during the January window.  That tells me Jim and Co had lost trust in him and didn't want to make anymore signings under his watch when they were certainly needed especially with the long list of players currently out.

Yesterday after the match he was ranting about how he was the manager than the coach. While the Man United statement today has him down as head coach.

Leaving the team level on points with 5th and 3 points off 4th reflects the lack of quality of the Premier League. Probably would have finished the season on about 60 points and outside the top 4/5 will his replacement do any better?

His win percentage was 38% overall and 33% in the Premier League and that was simply unacceptable for a Man United manager as was getting knocked out of the League cup by Grimsby and losing and not scoring against such a poor Spurs team in the Europa league final last season

No matter who the manager is they have 1 central midfielder at the club who isn't either shite, playing out of position or on his last legs.


They've also no right back (Dalot doesn't count) unless they're sticking to the wingbacks system with Amad. Plus 1 senior striker who's totally unproven.

Signings are needed no matter the manager, a proper club would be making them.

Does Mainoo fall into the "shite" section? Amazing for the one time England rising star.

A blind man could see that Utd needed to strengthen the midfield in the summer but they prioritised elsewhere. Cunha and Mbeumo are good signings though.  Sesko is a wooden one.

That said, Amorim has recently been operating without Bruno, Slabhead, mount, DeLigt, Diallo and Mazraoui which I'm sure is a blow.  However, he has shown little competence when he has had a full deck too. 

No Mainoo is the 1 actual midfielder, definitely a player there somewhere.

They needed a striker and 2 attackers in the summer with Rashford, Garnacho, Sancho, Antony, Hojlund all leaving. They obviously needed at least 1 midfielder as well last summer but got none.