Man Utd Thread:

[laoislad]

31 points from 31 PL games is pure relegation stats if they were all in the same season, lucky for Man United its not.
Are there many clubs with worse form over the last 31 games?
No worries though as you are only a Goalkeeper away from being challengers 👍🏻.

[magpie seanie]

Stating the obvious the say yesterday's result was disappointing. As usual with United the reactions are massively exaggerated. In my view United were not that bad yesterday overall but playing against good teams you get punished for weakness/mistakes and so it was again yesterday.

The goalkeeping soap opera has masked the fact that Luke Shaw has been playing terribly for some time now. He's slow and ponderous on the ball, defensively very poor and looks slow. He basically looks completely disinterested. I struggle to understand ow he has conned manager after manager but there are guys like that who can make all the right noises but in truth are phoning it in. You have to do your job and he was badly at fault for all 3 goals. The goalkeeper is miles off as well (thought he was in the totally wrong position for Haaland's first and very lucky to get away with dreadful control in first half).

United have played some good opponents and lets be honest - are not a top 6 team in this league. Are steps being taken to improve things? This is where I'm getting concerned. I like a manager to be stubborn because at times you need to stick to your guns for things to bed in. Unfortunately I see a few fundamental areas that look easy fixes and it appears Amorim is not going to do the obvious thing.

1) Goalkeeper. The new lad is only in the door but why buy him if you're not going to play him? Bsyindir is only marginally better than Onana and destabilises the back line. Play Lammens.
2) Centre of midfield. Fernandes cannot play this position. He loses his man and doesn't have the positional mind in a defensive sense to protect the defense. I thought when Mainoo came on it was again abundantly clear that he is the best centre midfielder at the club by a distance. I also thought Ugarte had a decent game yesterday in difficult circumstances. These two are the partnership he has to run with.
3) "Number 9". I thought the decision to start Sesko yesterday was a mistake. I'll give him time but I'm very worried already he's not up to it. That aside yesterday was the day to play Bruno as deep lying or false 9. Amad and Mbuemo more than capable of getting in behind as the latter did and Bruno has in the past shown an ability to drift in there. Regarding Sesko - whether he's not good enough or the team don't know how to feed a number 9 he has not looked good. Prioritise this guy in lesser games or else he's going to be another flop before he gets a chance.
4) Shaw. He has to go. His performances are dreadful. I'd prefer Maguire to get more game time in the centre and play Yoro or DeLigt at LCB until Martinez comes back (not sure how far away he is but a fully fit Martinez is badly needed).

Less obviously fixable are the wing backs. Mazraoui good defensively but not dynamic enough. Perhaps with a few games he'll be better....maybe he can do better. Dorgu - great athlete but not as good as you'd like defensively and end product substandard. Dalot is a poor defender. Decent athlete and decent going forward. Amad - wasted as a wing back and due to his size will be a target. Probably has been the best of them though. In the system he uses (which I think is overstated) these are key players. I think all these options are pretty flawed.

[tiempo]

Roy has proven to himself that the modern day managing of clubs is not for him.

Being a pundit is far better suited to his qualities and he's very good at it.

Amorin has not been the best fit now and that's unfortunate, that said, how many managers will it take and is it always the managers fault?

Roy improves them immediately, I don't know what other criteria they are looking for

[Milltown Row2]

Roy has proven to himself that the modern day managing of clubs is not for him.

Being a pundit is far better suited to his qualities and he's very good at it.

Amorin has not been the best fit now and that's unfortunate, that said, how many managers will it take and is it always the managers fault?

Roy improves them immediately, I don't know what other criteria they are looking for

Roy hodgson probably

[tiempo]

Lol, saw an interview of Woy recently, jes the man is still badly cut up about the Iceland result, he somehow manages to still underestimate them even after defeat, as if they had no right to be on the same pitch as the mighty Engerland, there is something Utd-ish about him alright

[SaffronSports]

Listened to Gary Lineker on his podcast earlier and he made the point that every interview RA does saying he won't change his style just makes it easier for opposition managers to set their teams up against United as they know exactly what they're up against.

[Maroon Manc]

Stating the obvious the say yesterday's result was disappointing. As usual with United the reactions are massively exaggerated. In my view United were not that bad yesterday overall but playing against good teams you get punished for weakness/mistakes and so it was again yesterday.

The goalkeeping soap opera has masked the fact that Luke Shaw has been playing terribly for some time now. He's slow and ponderous on the ball, defensively very poor and looks slow. He basically looks completely disinterested. I struggle to understand ow he has conned manager after manager but there are guys like that who can make all the right noises but in truth are phoning it in. You have to do your job and he was badly at fault for all 3 goals. The goalkeeper is miles off as well (thought he was in the totally wrong position for Haaland's first and very lucky to get away with dreadful control in first half).

United have played some good opponents and lets be honest - are not a top 6 team in this league. Are steps being taken to improve things? This is where I'm getting concerned. I like a manager to be stubborn because at times you need to stick to your guns for things to bed in. Unfortunately I see a few fundamental areas that look easy fixes and it appears Amorim is not going to do the obvious thing.

1) Goalkeeper. The new lad is only in the door but why buy him if you're not going to play him? Bsyindir is only marginally better than Onana and destabilises the back line. Play Lammens.
2) Centre of midfield. Fernandes cannot play this position. He loses his man and doesn't have the positional mind in a defensive sense to protect the defense. I thought when Mainoo came on it was again abundantly clear that he is the best centre midfielder at the club by a distance. I also thought Ugarte had a decent game yesterday in difficult circumstances. These two are the partnership he has to run with.
3) "Number 9". I thought the decision to start Sesko yesterday was a mistake. I'll give him time but I'm very worried already he's not up to it. That aside yesterday was the day to play Bruno as deep lying or false 9. Amad and Mbuemo more than capable of getting in behind as the latter did and Bruno has in the past shown an ability to drift in there. Regarding Sesko - whether he's not good enough or the team don't know how to feed a number 9 he has not looked good. Prioritise this guy in lesser games or else he's going to be another flop before he gets a chance.
4) Shaw. He has to go. His performances are dreadful. I'd prefer Maguire to get more game time in the centre and play Yoro or DeLigt at LCB until Martinez comes back (not sure how far away he is but a fully fit Martinez is badly needed).

Less obviously fixable are the wing backs. Mazraoui good defensively but not dynamic enough. Perhaps with a few games he'll be better....maybe he can do better. Dorgu - great athlete but not as good as you'd like defensively and end product substandard. Dalot is a poor defender. Decent athlete and decent going forward. Amad - wasted as a wing back and due to his size will be a target. Probably has been the best of them though. In the system he uses (which I think is overstated) these are key players. I think all these options are pretty flawed.

Hard to see Amorim lasting unless there's a huge improvement, every game is laced with errors and ridiculous decsioon making from players. 4 league games in and we've seen huge errors from Bayindir, Shaw, De Ligt, Dalot, Maguire & Ugarte leading too goals. Ironically enough the keeper has had very little to do apart from pick the ball out of the net although City were content to protect what we had so who knows what the score would have been if they'd gone after us. There's signs we've improvement in terms of possession but in the only metric that matters we're conceded too many goals and aren't scoring enough.

I don't think its any surprise Dorgu gets so much of the ball around the opponents box and he's shown he has very little attacking quality so far and opponents clearly don't rate him. He's still only 20 and he looks a better player in other aspects of his game then last season but its got to happen soon for him and for Amorim.

Amad has to play wingback, just very little attacking quality in Dalot, Dorgu & Mazroui and Mainoo had to be given a run in the team; Ugarte is a major let down, don't think he can work with a back 3 but maybe partnering Mainoo would suit him but far from convinced. He had some brilliant moments on Sunday but mixed it with the ridiculous. Huge fan of Cunha but didn't understand signing him when we had Fernandes unless the club though he'd leave.

I hope Amorim can turn it round and he still has time but don't see it happening, this team seem incapable of keeping clean sheets.

[magpie seanie]

Ya, you just cannot keep giving away cheap goals. Especially when you're not finding it easy to score at the other end.

I just think the club has to stop firing managers. Amorim probably needs to stop feeding the media though. He's giving them too much. Probably as he's a genuine, passionate person but I don't think the interviews are helping. He says something - media latch on to it - I think it then makes him more reluctant to go against what he said. Just tell them the bare minimum.

[NAG1]

Ya, you just cannot keep giving away cheap goals. Especially when you're not finding it easy to score at the other end.

I just think the club has to stop firing managers. Amorim probably needs to stop feeding the media though. He's giving them too much. Probably as he's a genuine, passionate person but I don't think the interviews are helping. He says something - media latch on to it - I think it then makes him more reluctant to go against what he said. Just tell them the bare minimum.

Yeah I think he is fronting up too much, he needs to be a bit more guarded.
Unfortunately if things don't turn around for him in the next while he is going to come under serious pressure.

[RedHand88]

Didn't he say my system isn't the problem, the place was a mess from before I started?
Pretty unguarded stuff to be saying. It sounds nearly like he has one foot out the door.

[AustinPowers]

United have essentially wasted  3+ years gambling on  foreign managers to get it right.  ETH clearly wasn't up to it , nor  is Amorim.  Get someone in that  has  proven to have done well in the PL, eg. Glasner, Frank, Bournemouth guy.

United have done the  same with  foreign  players too.  De Ligt, Hojlund,  Onana,  Antony, etc all struggled. Sesko looks  yet another who will  struggle. I fear  this new keeper  will struggle badly as well.

I agree with redhand  though.  RA has one foot out the door. Has done for months. It's only a  matter of time . It's as  if he's been hinting "put nme out of my misery"

[statto]

United have essentially wasted  3+ years gambling on  foreign managers to get it right.  ETH clearly wasn't up to it , nor  is Amorim.  Get someone in that  has  proven to have done well in the PL, eg. Glasner, Frank, Bournemouth guy.

United have done the  same with  foreign  players too.  De Ligt, Hojlund,  Onana,  Antony, etc all struggled. Sesko looks  yet another who will  struggle. I fear  this new keeper  will struggle badly as well.

I agree with redhand  though.  RA has one foot out the door. Has done for months. It's only a  matter of time . It's as  if he's been hinting "put nme out of my misery"

Big Sam a great record in getting teams out of trouble!

Bournemouth took a chance on Iraola with no EPL experience, Glasner was the same and Frank took Brentford up from the Championship, if any of these guys had been appointed pre coming to the EPL they would have been very underwhelming.  Moyes/Mourinho had both great reputations before they took the job also, so they have went down the road of proven premiership managers and hasn't worked for them either. 

Can't understand why Bruno is played so deep he will create plenty playing off a striker and can get a more defensive minded player deeper. It may be ok at home to Burnley when you will have all the ball but playing him in a 2 away to City was madness. 

In relation to the goalkeeper, they should have went all out to get Martinez while he may be 32 he would have given the defence some stability and confidence for a few seasons.  Van De Saar was quite old when he was signed and done a great job. 

[Milltown Row2]

United have essentially wasted  3+ years gambling on  foreign managers to get it right.  ETH clearly wasn't up to it , nor  is Amorim.  Get someone in that  has  proven to have done well in the PL, eg. Glasner, Frank, Bournemouth guy.

United have done the  same with  foreign  players too.  De Ligt, Hojlund,  Onana,  Antony, etc all struggled. Sesko looks  yet another who will  struggle. I fear  this new keeper  will struggle badly as well.

I agree with redhand  though.  RA has one foot out the door. Has done for months. It's only a  matter of time . It's as  if he's been hinting "put nme out of my misery"

Big Sam a great record in getting teams out of trouble!

Bournemouth took a chance on Iraola with no EPL experience, Glasner was the same and Frank took Brentford up from the Championship, if any of these guys had been appointed pre coming to the EPL they would have been very underwhelming.  Moyes/Mourinho had both great reputations before they took the job also, so they have went down the road of proven premiership managers and hasn't worked for them either. 

Can't understand why Bruno is played so deep he will create plenty playing off a striker and can get a more defensive minded player deeper. It may be ok at home to Burnley when you will have all the ball but playing him in a 2 away to City was madness. 

In relation to the goalkeeper, they should have went all out to get Martinez while he may be 32 he would have given the defence some stability and confidence for a few seasons.  Van De Saar was quite old when he was signed and done a great job. 

If they get relegated then Big Sam is your man for getting them up again, I'd rather have Big Ron

[johnnycool]

United have essentially wasted  3+ years gambling on  foreign managers to get it right.  ETH clearly wasn't up to it , nor  is Amorim.  Get someone in that  has  proven to have done well in the PL, eg. Glasner, Frank, Bournemouth guy.

United have done the  same with  foreign  players too.  De Ligt, Hojlund,  Onana,  Antony, etc all struggled. Sesko looks  yet another who will  struggle. I fear  this new keeper  will struggle badly as well.

I agree with redhand  though.  RA has one foot out the door. Has done for months. It's only a  matter of time . It's as  if he's been hinting "put nme out of my misery"

Big Sam a great record in getting teams out of trouble!

Bournemouth took a chance on Iraola with no EPL experience, Glasner was the same and Frank took Brentford up from the Championship, if any of these guys had been appointed pre coming to the EPL they would have been very underwhelming.  Moyes/Mourinho had both great reputations before they took the job also, so they have went down the road of proven premiership managers and hasn't worked for them either. 

Can't understand why Bruno is played so deep he will create plenty playing off a striker and can get a more defensive minded player deeper. It may be ok at home to Burnley when you will have all the ball but playing him in a 2 away to City was madness. 

In relation to the goalkeeper, they should have went all out to get Martinez while he may be 32 he would have given the defence some stability and confidence for a few seasons.  Van De Saar was quite old when he was signed and done a great job. 

Whoever is responsible for Uniteds transfers needs booted out before any manager or coach does.

If it was the managers making the calls then even by the laws of averages one or two good players would have been secured for a lot less money.

Martinez would have been ideal for United, but wages and age don't suit their player profile, no resell value and won't be selling a load of replica jerseys anywhere.

The lack of a defensive midfielder being secured is killing them so square pegs in round holes it is then

[tiempo]

First and foremost, and it was obvious from day dot, the Ratcliffe-Wilcox nexus hasn't a baldys notion and are primarily responsible for the latest charade.

Ruben for his part is a willing accomplice, let me spell it out. The Portuguese have an affinity for Real-Barca, if Ruben was offered either job with 1 stipulation, he had to play a back 4, he'd take the job and comply in a heartbeat. The fact he's dropped Yernited off a cliff for shits and giggles is a clear dose of cultural vandalism.

Whoever sold McTominey needs shot

Hojlund scored on his Napoli debut at the weekend

Gary Neville is a plonker and the new stadium is going to be a noose around the clubs neck long term (if they ever build the monstrosity)

Keane and Beggan (or Morgan) improves Utd overnight, this is now beyond dispute

That is all