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Started by full back, November 10, 2006, 08:13:49 AM

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oakleaflad

If they are playing three at the back he would be a good addition for the left side of the three as long as someone with a bit more height was in the middle.

beer baron

Anytime i've seen him in the last 18 months-2 years he's been awful. Before that he was good but over rated. Anything over 10 million's more of a risk than he's worth for me.

Champ15

#31592
For €10million he would be decent just for cover but I think we def need a top quality centre back as well as I don't think we could get away with starting both Jones and Smalling. Hummels is the guy everyone is talking about but I don't think we'll get him due to sound bites of quotes I've heard from him.
Ballina Stephenites
All Ireland Champions 2005

NAG1

Quote from: Champ15 on August 07, 2014, 03:26:22 PM
For €10million he would be decent just for cover but I think we def need a top quality centre back as well as I don't think we could get away with starting both Jones and Smalling. Hummels is the guy everyone is talking about but I don't think we'll get him due to sound bites of quotes I've heard from him.

Going by reports today the deal is off because the valuations are so far apart between the two clubs.

beer baron

Quote from: NAG1 on August 07, 2014, 03:42:52 PM
Quote from: Champ15 on August 07, 2014, 03:26:22 PM
For €10million he would be decent just for cover but I think we def need a top quality centre back as well as I don't think we could get away with starting both Jones and Smalling. Hummels is the guy everyone is talking about but I don't think we'll get him due to sound bites of quotes I've heard from him.

Going by reports today the deal is off because the valuations are so far apart between the two clubs.

If the rumours of Utd bidding 20 million are true i'm not surprised,i'd say they'd want at least 35mill.

Champ15

Quote from: beer baron on August 07, 2014, 03:46:20 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on August 07, 2014, 03:42:52 PM
Quote from: Champ15 on August 07, 2014, 03:26:22 PM
For €10million he would be decent just for cover but I think we def need a top quality centre back as well as I don't think we could get away with starting both Jones and Smalling. Hummels is the guy everyone is talking about but I don't think we'll get him due to sound bites of quotes I've heard from him.

Going by reports today the deal is off because the valuations are so far apart between the two clubs.

If the rumours of Utd bidding 20 million are true i'm not surprised,i'd say they'd want at least 35mill

Easily 30 million at least anyway!! 20 does seem a bit derisory for him especially with todays market prices.
Ballina Stephenites
All Ireland Champions 2005

rodney trotter

Hummels while being a good player  with lots of attributes hasn't much pace for a central defender,  that was shown up a couple of times early in the Wc and in the World cup final itself.  So if you were paying huge money ala like the €30 mill for Rio Ferdinand at least you knew he had good pace. Plus Van Gaal 3 at the back formation would a player like Hummels be suited?

Champ15

Quote from: rodney trotter on August 07, 2014, 04:37:54 PM
Hummels while being a good player  with lots of attributes hasn't much pace for a central defender,  that was shown up a couple of times early in the Wc and in the World cup final itself.  So if you were paying huge money ala like the €30 mill for Rio Ferdinand at least you knew he had good pace. Plus Van Gaal 3 at the back formation would a player like Hummels be suited?

I think so he Vidic-esque as he just loves to defend and get blocks and tackles in. I would be worried about balls played in behind him but that wasn't Vidic's strongpoint  either but Smalling is quick and Jones too over a certain distance so they would have to be alert for that possibility and provide cover.
Ballina Stephenites
All Ireland Champions 2005

beer baron

I can't have that Rodney,he's not as quick as Ferdinand but he's not Mertesacker either like some would have you believe.
He was playing in the highest defensive line you're ever likely to see in that German side and in the final was against Messi with acres behind him.
He's strong and powerful,excellent reader of the game,good with the ball at his feet,good in the air and an excellent tackler, he's one player i would like to have no matter what he costs. Smalling i presume will be the main centre back relied upon for covering back when there's a quick break on.
In saying all that i don't think we'll get him  :(

magpie seanie

Quote from: rodney trotter on August 07, 2014, 04:37:54 PM
Hummels while being a good player  with lots of attributes hasn't much pace for a central defender,  that was shown up a couple of times early in the Wc and in the World cup final itself.  So if you were paying huge money ala like the €30 mill for Rio Ferdinand at least you knew he had good pace. Plus Van Gaal 3 at the back formation would a player like Hummels be suited?

Hummels looked under pressure for pace against Messi. I think most CB's would be the same. Personally think he would be immense for United and would be perfect with Smalling and Jones either side.

beer baron

Quote from: Champ15 on August 07, 2014, 05:12:41 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 07, 2014, 04:37:54 PM
Hummels while being a good player  with lots of attributes hasn't much pace for a central defender,  that was shown up a couple of times early in the Wc and in the World cup final itself.  So if you were paying huge money ala like the €30 mill for Rio Ferdinand at least you knew he had good pace. Plus Van Gaal 3 at the back formation would a player like Hummels be suited?

I think so he Vidic-esque as he just loves to defend and get blocks and tackles in. I would be worried about balls played in behind him but that wasn't Vidic's strongpoint  either but Smalling is quick and Jones too over a certain distance so they would have to be alert for that possibility and provide cover.

Twice the footballer Vidic is/was. As good on the ball as any centre half i can think of in world football off the top of my head.

Champ15

Quote from: beer baron on August 07, 2014, 05:16:53 PM
Quote from: Champ15 on August 07, 2014, 05:12:41 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 07, 2014, 04:37:54 PM
Hummels while being a good player  with lots of attributes hasn't much pace for a central defender,  that was shown up a couple of times early in the Wc and in the World cup final itself.  So if you were paying huge money ala like the €30 mill for Rio Ferdinand at least you knew he had good pace. Plus Van Gaal 3 at the back formation would a player like Hummels be suited?

I think so he Vidic-esque as he just loves to defend and get blocks and tackles in. I would be worried about balls played in behind him but that wasn't Vidic's strongpoint  either but Smalling is quick and Jones too over a certain distance so they would have to be alert for that possibility and provide cover.

Twice the footballer Vidic is/was. As good on the ball as any centre half i can think of in world football off the top of my head.

Oh yes most def very good on the ball but sure I can't think of any German player at the world cup who wasn't gifted technically on the ball including their goalkeeper  :)
Ballina Stephenites
All Ireland Champions 2005

rodney trotter

#31602
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 07, 2014, 05:15:26 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 07, 2014, 04:37:54 PM
Hummels while being a good player  with lots of attributes hasn't much pace for a central defender,  that was shown up a couple of times early in the Wc and in the World cup final itself.  So if you were paying huge money ala like the €30 mill for Rio Ferdinand at least you knew he had good pace. Plus Van Gaal 3 at the back formation would a player like Hummels be suited?

Hummels looked under pressure for pace against Messi. I think most CB's would be the same. Personally think he would be immense for United and would be perfect with Smalling and Jones either side.

He showed his lack of pace in more then the Argentina game.

Chris Smalling and Jones have been very mediocre players since they joined United, its about time they started to show their worth. Can't keep saying they are going to deliver.

beer baron

Quote from: rodney trotter on August 07, 2014, 05:31:02 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 07, 2014, 05:15:26 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 07, 2014, 04:37:54 PM
Hummels while being a good player  with lots of attributes hasn't much pace for a central defender,  that was shown up a couple of times early in the Wc and in the World cup final itself.  So if you were paying huge money ala like the €30 mill for Rio Ferdinand at least you knew he had good pace. Plus Van Gaal 3 at the back formation would a player like Hummels be suited?

Hummels looked under pressure for pace against Messi. I think most CB's would be the same. Personally think he would be immense for United and would be perfect with Smalling and Jones either side.

He showed his lack of pace in more then the Argentina game.

Chris Smalling and Jones have been very mediocre players since they joined United, its about time they started to show their worth. Can't keep saying they are going to deliver.


I'd prefer them with Hummels than without

Jeepers Creepers

#31604
A experienced centre half is a must, the thoughts of a Smalling/Jones/Evans back three is giving me the cold sweats. It ain't long to go to the new season and still no clear out and still no major signings since shaw. A German football journalist on talksport a few weeks ago said there' ll be no German players joining Utd for next season. Hummels is very much a contractual player of his word and will not be going anywhere unless Utd throw silly money at Dortmond, ie 50 million odds!? Other clubs have been very busy in the transfer market and seemed to have got their business done early.