Man Utd Thread:

[clonian]

ETH is not on borrowed time at. I'll first to admit I'd have got rid of Moyes, LVG, Mourinho & Ole a lot earlier but its different this time. We've got a manager in his prime with a great recent track record who's still dealing with the nonsense of the Glazer ownership, the balls up with Martinez's injury is another to add to the long list of c**k ups. The issues surrounding the club doctor was farcical and obviously player a huge part in this.

Results and performances need to improve but the time to judge him is at the end of the season not a month in when he's had to deal with a huge injury crisis, about as bad as I've ever seen.

I'd be sticking with him no matter how bad the results get. Attitude of a lot of the players is get a big contract then put the feet up. He's on the right track but a long way to go

Agree 100%. I'm still concerned the glazers make the easy choice and push him out.

[gallsman]

What do United fans believe the Glazers' ownership excuses in relation to ETH's management of the team?

They have consistently splashed the cash over and over again.

[NAG1]

What do United fans believe the Glazers' ownership excuses in relation to ETH's management of the team?

They have consistently splashed the cash over and over again.

Not sure it is specifically in relation to ETH the issues with the Glazers.

Basically they have over seen a steady decline in the quality of people running the football side of the club, they have taken every decision based on how much money they can squeeze out of the club. Continually put business people in positions to make footballing decisions.
Have allowed the ground and the training ground to get run down and not upgraded to that of a top level club.

Basically allowed a malaise to surround the club because they are still draining the club for their financial gain.

The glazer's have not, never have and never will 'splash the cash' they didnt buy the club with their own money and they dont invest their own money in anyway into the club. The bare minimum to keep the club ticking over.

Look at the previous managers and their transfer target lists, not one of them got their first choice in any of the positions they were looking for.

So while the 'club' have spent money, if the culture is that rotten from the top down it is never going to work. At least ETH has identified the rotten culture of the playing squad and is doing something about it.

[gallsman]

It was suggested that ETH has been "dealing with the nonsense of the Glazers' ownership". I'm curious to know what United fans think exactly he's been dealing with. He's been given a fortune to spend. Joel Glazer isn't overseeing training and team selection.

Strictly on the management side of the club, putting "business people in place to make football decisions" is the biggest load of w**k. Who should be in charge? Giggs? Brucey? It's not about having "football people" in place. It's about having the right people in place, regardless of their background.

[NAG1]

It was suggested that ETH has been "dealing with the nonsense of the Glazers' ownership". I'm curious to know what United fans think exactly he's been dealing with. He's been given a fortune to spend. Joel Glazer isn't overseeing training and team selection.

Strictly on the management side of the club, putting "business people in place to make football decisions" is the biggest load of w**k. Who should be in charge? Giggs? Brucey? It's not about having "football people" in place. It's about having the right people in place, regardless of their background.

Was Ed Woodward someone who should have been making footballing decisions? Dealing in transfers and targets?

Where did you see me suggest any of those ex players? I am talking about people with a proven track record in being the Chief Operating Officer of the Sporting side of a club.

Then also go and get the best commercial director as well and let them run the business side. Pretty simple concept which is employed in most if not all successful sporting clubs, regardless of the sport actually.

[Nanderson]

It was suggested that ETH has been "dealing with the nonsense of the Glazers' ownership". I'm curious to know what United fans think exactly he's been dealing with. He's been given a fortune to spend. Joel Glazer isn't overseeing training and team selection.

Strictly on the management side of the club, putting "business people in place to make football decisions" is the biggest load of w**k. Who should be in charge? Giggs? Brucey? It's not about having "football people" in place. It's about having the right people in place, regardless of their background.

Fair enough united are spending a lot of money but they are overspending for what they have gotten and Ten Hag along with the other managers in recent years constantly get their primary targets overlooked. Ten Hag made no secret that he wanted Harry Kane and he would have been the perfect striker for United for another 3/5 years but the business men didn't want to spend 100 million on someone with no resale value at the end of his contract. Ole and Mourinho have openly talked about how they wanted to sign A B and C but got X Y and Z instead. I watched amazon prime documentary on man city. In it pep needed a new centre back. He wrote down 3 names and he got the top name on his list which was Ameryic Laporte

[Cunny Funt]

It was suggested that ETH has been "dealing with the nonsense of the Glazers' ownership". I'm curious to know what United fans think exactly he's been dealing with. He's been given a fortune to spend. Joel Glazer isn't overseeing training and team selection.

Strictly on the management side of the club, putting "business people in place to make football decisions" is the biggest load of w**k. Who should be in charge? Giggs? Brucey? It's not about having "football people" in place. It's about having the right people in place, regardless of their background.

Fair enough united are spending a lot of money but they are overspending for what they have gotten and Ten Hag along with the other managers in recent years constantly get their primary targets overlooked. Ten Hag made no secret that he wanted Harry Kane and he would have been the perfect striker for United for another 3/5 years but the business men didn't want to spend 100 million on someone with no resale value at the end of his contract. Ole and Mourinho have openly talked about how they wanted to sign A B and C but got X Y and Z instead. I watched amazon prime documentary on man city. In it pep needed a new centre back. He wrote down 3 names and he got the top name on his list which was Ameryic Laporte

From top to bottom Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal are well run clubs which allows Klopp,Pep and Arteta to get the best out of their teams.

If all three was managing United last season they wouldn't have done much better than Ten Hag did in his first season. Has to deal with a lot of injuries and off the field nonsense right now but unless results turn for the better quickly he'll be shown the exit door early in a season like Ole and Jose was in previous seasons as at the end of the day it's a result business.

Splashing cash isn't much use when a huge portion of it has been wasted. Recruitment has been awful for a decade, leaving Uniteds squad with many misfits and on high wages whereby it's a struggle for any new manager to offload them.

Woodward and Matt Judge hadn't a clue what they were at their replacements going by the summer transfer business aren't much better. By the end of it had to shop around for loan deals and that's the only business they'll likely be able to do in January window.

[gallsman]

Who's wasting it though? Who wanted Antony?

[Nanderson]

Who's wasting it though? Who wanted Antony?

Ten Hag wanted him in early May when United were quoted circa 50-60mil euros for him. Then the business men arsed about with Frenkie De Jong and ended up leaving it too late in the window for any real negotiations so they had United backed into a corner and they ended up paying 20+ million more for him

[Blowitupref]

Who's wasting it though? Who wanted Antony?

Ten Hag wanted him in early May when United were quoted circa 50-60mil euros for him. Then the business men arsed about with Frenkie De Jong and ended up leaving it too late in the window for any real negotiations so they had United backed into a corner and they ended up paying 20+ million more for him

United regularly over pay for players, clubs selling players to them know this also. If it was the Glazers own money that was getting spent they'd put a lot more thought into the transfer business and contracts given to players.   

[AustinPowers]

What do United fans believe the Glazers' ownership excuses in relation to ETH's management of the team?

They have consistently splashed the cash over and over again.

Exactly. The Glazer's don't  pick the team or  set up the team formation.

I was never  convinced by ETH.  Still aren't. Yes, the  squad is dire , but  he's spend big money , mostly on big time charlie's And  injury-prone players.

 If this  run of results doesn't improve  , he'll be gone  in no time

[gallsman]

Who's wasting it though? Who wanted Antony?

Ten Hag wanted him in early May when United were quoted circa 50-60mil euros for him. Then the business men arsed about with Frenkie De Jong and ended up leaving it too late in the window for any real negotiations so they had United backed into a corner and they ended up paying 20+ million more for him

FDJ is a central midfielder. Antony is a, supposed, winger. What has FDJ got to do with Antony being shit and increasingly looking like a terrible buy?

[Nanderson]

Who's wasting it though? Who wanted Antony?

Ten Hag wanted him in early May when United were quoted circa 50-60mil euros for him. Then the business men arsed about with Frenkie De Jong and ended up leaving it too late in the window for any real negotiations so they had United backed into a corner and they ended up paying 20+ million more for him

FDJ is a central midfielder. Antony is a, supposed, winger. What has FDJ got to do with Antony being shit and increasingly looking like a terrible buy?

Because United could only get one of them. They thought they would have been able to get De Jong away from Barcelona due to his contract issues but United got strung along for far too long and by the end they turned their attentions back to Antony. He looks like a shit buy because he was heavily overpriced in the end. Had we got him for around 50 million euros like we could have it would have been much easier to digest his crap performances. Obviously the first season was going to be tough for him. He came to England not speaking a word of english which is understandable. Now his personal life has gotten in the way of his match perfomances/time

[Cunny Funt]

What do United fans believe the Glazers' ownership excuses in relation to ETH's management of the team?

They have consistently splashed the cash over and over again.

Exactly. The Glazer's don't  pick the team or  set up the team formation.

I was never  convinced by ETH.  Still aren't. Yes, the  squad is dire , but  he's spend big money , mostly on big time charlie's And  injury-prone players.

 If this  run of results doesn't improve  , he'll be gone  in no time

Same as most teams, hit a bad patch and keep losing you won't be around for long. Injury sitiution can't be ignored, even Liverpool had a run of poor results losing a number of games in Anfield when Klopp had to deal with injuries a few seasons ago. Man City lost to Wolves at the weekend would they have done so if the likes of Rodri,De Bruyne was available?

Squad is dire as you claim so you were hardly expecting ETH to have done better in his first season at the club? He doesn't set the transfer fees or wages players should get but his signings last season played their role in finishing 3rd in the league on 75 points winning a first trophy in six years.

Can think of a few big time charlie's he let go since arriving not sure whom he brought in would be described as that.

[jcpen]

Man United are a bit shit this season.