Man Utd Thread:

[Boycey]

I wouldn't use the performance against Liverpool as a stick to beat them with. Simply put, Liverpool have managed to play well against big teams, even when their form is poor. They make up for form with effort and graft. Against the lower teams the effort is still there, but they lack the cleverness. They've still only lost to Swansea in January (apart from the Cup games), so it's not like they were getting whipped every game.

United and Liverpool looked like what it was. Two teams that are not at their best in terms of form, working hard to get something out of a big game. I wouldn't use that game as proof of anything for either team.

Don't you be coming on here talking sense.... Let the witch-hunt continue

[Maroon Manc]

We've had one bad performance in the league, we were fine against Stoke and we were hardly shocking against Liverpool. Prior to that we went through a period from November to December where we played some great football and won 7 games out of 11 that certainly should have been at 10 based on the way we dominated those matches. There is a huge difference on the dross we had to put up with LVG from last season where there was so many matches where we just didn't create any chances at all.

As for the refs i don't blame him, last night we were the on the receiving end of another diabolical decision. Niasse after been booked committed 2 yellow card offences; They were both very blatant too, I've seen players sent off for similar challenges.

The Liverpool performance was poor and you have to wonder with the month they've had why United struggled so badly against them. Wigan first half was terrible as was Hull 2nd leg and home leg against Hull was laboured at best.

The refs thing is a serious issue alright but the manager is the reason and he's doing nothing to help the situation. Non United supporters will laugh at this but I have no doubt they're targeting United because of Mourinho in revenge for his arrogance and ignorance towards them down the years. I'm not saying it's a conspiracy but I think if they have any doubt in their mind they just go "fcuk him" and don't give the decision. All the other managers and even Ferguson knew when to pull back and admit when they went too far (Wenger and Klopp immediately admitted overstepping the mark recently) and referees understand and appreciate this. Jose though is never wrong, even when he's wrong. The more he talks about it, the worse it will get. He needs to be clever and eat some humble pie but it's not in his nature. Niasse last night was a complete joke. The one after he was booked in the first half could easily have been a straight red on its own. The second half one was definitely at least a yellow. People will point to decisions United got and there have been some but there is literally a tsunami of bad decisions going against United.

The referee situation is odd, we've barely had a match all season without a shocking decision from the ref. There's no doubt we've benefitted from an offside in the build up to our goal against Liverpool and then there was Rojo's 2 red cards he should have received but we've been on the wrong end of nearly 20 bad decisions all season, I don't know how many have cost us points but they've certainly not even themselves out yet.

Klopp should have been sent to the stands for his outburst the other night yet the 4th official told him he liked his passion. I'd imagine there's plenty of clubs who will make a complaint to the league about those comments. Mourinho wouldn't have gotten away with that.

[AZOffaly]

I think the 4th Official only said that because Klopp came back and apologised. They are all only human at the end of the day, and while Klopp could well have been sent to the stand, if you apologise and recognise you went too far, you generally get off. Same in the GAA. Refs like being told 'sorry'. They hear it so seldom.

Jose's a stubborn hoor, so when he loses the plot, he never acknowledges that. Referee's react to that too, in a negative way. I'm not sure I agree with Seanie about refs deliberately giving the benefit of the doubt to the opponents because they are sick of his antics, but I'm sure they wouldn't be huge fans.

That said, Ferguson wasn't averse to calling out refs himself, and he seemed to get on alright

[Main Street]

 I thought the ref did very well and had the bottle to make sound decisions in the face of hostility. He got the major decisions right, re the 3 or 4  dives/simulation in the box by Man u players in vain attempts to fool the ref. What an injustice that would have been for Hull to lose via a cheat.

Man U were just rubbish and Hull were very good, a good football team. Man u were tactically inept, couldn't use the width of the pitch, were cautious, slow and laboured, in complete  contrast  to the defiant and dynamic teams Mourinho managed before Madrid.
I think Mourinho's undermining Martial just like he undermined Hazard at Chelsea and for what purpose  -  not the club.
Mourinho is an out and out narcissist, he's more concerned by how he's treated on the sideline than about what happens on the pitch. He's upset of course that the poor result makes him look bad, that the players make him look inept, it's all about Mourinho, it's always all about Mourinho and not the club. He's boxed himself into a tight corner now just like he did at Madrid and Chelsea.

[beer baron]

I thought the ref did very well and had the bottle to make sound decisions in the face of hostility. He got the major decisions right, re the 3 or 4  dives/simulation in the box by Man u players in vain attempts to fool the ref. What an injustice that would have been for Hull to lose via a cheat.

Man U were just rubbish and Hull were very good, a good football team. Man u were tactically inept, couldn't use the width of the pitch, were cautious, slow and laboured, in complete  contrast  to the defiant and dynamic teams Mourinho managed before Madrid.
I think Mourinho's undermining Martial just like he undermined Hazard at Chelsea and for what purpose  -  not the club.
Mourinho is an out and out narcissist, he's more concerned by how he's treated on the sideline than about what happens on the pitch. He's upset of course that the poor result makes him look bad, that the players make him look inept, it's all about Mourinho, it's always all about Mourinho and not the club. He's boxed himself into a tight corner now just like he did at Madrid and Chelsea.

Put that rod away 

[magpie seanie]

I think the 4th Official only said that because Klopp came back and apologised. They are all only human at the end of the day, and while Klopp could well have been sent to the stand, if you apologise and recognise you went too far, you generally get off. Same in the GAA. Refs like being told 'sorry'. They hear it so seldom.

Jose's a stubborn hoor, so when he loses the plot, he never acknowledges that. Referee's react to that too, in a negative way. I'm not sure I agree with Seanie about refs deliberately giving the benefit of the doubt to the opponents because they are sick of his antics, but I'm sure they wouldn't be huge fans.

That said, Ferguson wasn't averse to calling out refs himself, and he seemed to get on alright

Ferguson usually apologised at some stage and had the row to win the next one. He was a master at it. Ferguson was all about winning.

[magpie seanie]

I thought the ref did very well and had the bottle to make sound decisions in the face of hostility. He got the major decisions right, re the 3 or 4  dives/simulation in the box by Man u players in vain attempts to fool the ref. What an injustice that would have been for Hull to lose via a cheat.

Man U were just rubbish and Hull were very good, a good football team. Man u were tactically inept, couldn't use the width of the pitch, were cautious, slow and laboured, in complete  contrast  to the defiant and dynamic teams Mourinho managed before Madrid.
I think Mourinho's undermining Martial just like he undermined Hazard at Chelsea and for what purpose  -  not the club.
Mourinho is an out and out narcissist, he's more concerned by how he's treated on the sideline than about what happens on the pitch. He's upset of course that the poor result makes him look bad, that the players make him look inept, it's all about Mourinho, it's always all about Mourinho and not the club. He's boxed himself into a tight corner now just like he did at Madrid and Chelsea.

Put that rod away 

He's actually dead right about Mourihno. The comments on last night are a bit skewed true enough.

[J70]

I thought the ref did very well and had the bottle to make sound decisions in the face of hostility. He got the major decisions right, re the 3 or 4  dives/simulation in the box by Man u players in vain attempts to fool the ref. What an injustice that would have been for Hull to lose via a cheat.

Man U were just rubbish and Hull were very good, a good football team. Man u were tactically inept, couldn't use the width of the pitch, were cautious, slow and laboured, in complete  contrast  to the defiant and dynamic teams Mourinho managed before Madrid.
I think Mourinho's undermining Martial just like he undermined Hazard at Chelsea and for what purpose  -  not the club.
Mourinho is an out and out narcissist, he's more concerned by how he's treated on the sideline than about what happens on the pitch. He's upset of course that the poor result makes him look bad, that the players make him look inept, it's all about Mourinho, it's always all about Mourinho and not the club. He's boxed himself into a tight corner now just like he did at Madrid and Chelsea.

Yep, its all about Jose. Always is.

[AZOffaly]

Speaking of that, he doesn't look well. Mourinho I mean. His new haircut or something doesn't suit him. I thought he looked ill when I saw him the other night. I get the feeling he's not really enjoying football that much any more.

[magpie seanie]

Speaking of that, he doesn't look well. Mourinho I mean. His new haircut or something doesn't suit him. I thought he looked ill when I saw him the other night. I get the feeling he's not really enjoying football that much any more.

I personally think he underestimated the job and is struggling with it. He doesn't look a happy man right enough.

[yellowcard]

Speaking of that, he doesn't look well. Mourinho I mean. His new haircut or something doesn't suit him. I thought he looked ill when I saw him the other night. I get the feeling he's not really enjoying football that much any more.

I personally think he underestimated the job and is struggling with it. He doesn't look a happy man right enough.

To me he hasn't looked right since he returned back to England second time around, he just looks mentally drained and full of negative energy. The way it ended at Real Madrid has affected him imo. I remember him calling himself the happy one when he came back, when he has looked anything but happy.

[Fuzzman]

Yeah I thought he looks under huge pressure and thinks the world is against him in most of his interviews.

I'd say he's finding it tough that his old club are doing so well without him and it makes it look like he was the problem for them last year. Utd have gone under a lot of change since Fergie left with only De Gea and Zlatan really showing consistent form all year with Pogba, Rooney and Martial all struggling to put a good run of games together.
With Spurs, Liverpool and Man City all with top managers now I think the pressure if telling on Hose A as he doesn't like having to settle for 2nd best.

[seafoid]

Yeah I thought he looks under huge pressure and thinks the world is against him in most of his interviews.

I'd say he's finding it tough that his old club are doing so well without him and it makes it look like he was the problem for them last year. Utd have gone under a lot of change since Fergie left with only De Gea and Zlatan really showing consistent form all year with Pogba, Rooney and Martial all struggling to put a good run of games together.
With Spurs, Liverpool and Man City all with top managers now I think the pressure if telling on Hose A as he doesn't like having to settle for 2nd best.

He doesn't have any new ideas

[Maroon Manc]

Mourinho's wife had a couple of operations although not sure on the severity of it and his dad has been seriously ill for a while now, who knows how this has affected him.

[seafoid]

Ibrahimovic has been.involved in over 50% of Man Utd's goals
The club is overly dependent on one player.