Man Utd Thread:

[magpie seanie]

AZ/MM - I'm just frustrated by it all and I cannot stand Mourinho. He's a complete embarrassment.

On the goals thing - Rashford is all too often in wide areas and don't forget - he wasn't getting picked for a while. Martial is quality but is having one of those dips in form that young players suffer....his personal problems most likely contributing. Another issue is the expectation on Pogba to scores loads of goals. As I understand it he was never a prolific scorer. His athleticism is his main attribute and he just needs to be left free to do his thing. I don't think he's too tactically savvy and needs Carrick. Obviously Rooney's attitude up until he got slaughtered in the media recently has been a major problem but he kept getting picked for a long time. The manager has to take some blame too.

[Maroon Manc]

Rashford is still missing chances though, at least he's contributing though and I'm more concerned with Martial. Pogba has been excellent since the Chelsea game, I'm not worried about him as he'll improve tactically under Mourinho and learn to be more disciplined which is evident in the last month. Given the lack of goals I'd imagine Griezemann will be at the top of Mourinho's list this summer.

I've got no issue with Jose's behaviour and very confident he'll turn it around. I wouldn't have played Carrick yesterday if he was fully fit, Herrera & Pogba can do the job in those sort of games. West Ham only looked dangerous once Fellaini came on. i'd criticise Jose yeserday for bringing Fellaini on but was more disappointed with him keeping Darmian on the pitch, he had acres of space to play in as West Ham realised he is no threat at all.

[rodney trotter]

They are creating loads of chances against teams you expect them to dominate at home. Burnley,Stoke and West ham. They still only drew those games. How is that playing better?

Arsenal at home was a defent performance. But a draw there. Chelsea away was terrible. Liverpool away. They drew thanks to de gea,barely attacked

[J70]

I think the "unlucky" part is being overplayed too.
None of those saves Randolph made yesterday were jaw-droppingly good. They were all ones you'd expect a decent Premier League keeper to make, even the one from Lingard, where he showed good reflexes. More a case of poor finishing from United, especially the Rashford one.

[Bord na Mona man]

They are creating loads of chances against teams you expect them to dominate at home. Burnley,Stoke and West ham. They still only drew those games. How is that playing better?

Last year they would spent these type of games passing the ball side to side and only having a couple of shots all game.
The individual brilliance of De Gea and Martial bailed out the team far too many times in woeful performances.

[Cunny Funt]

I think the "unlucky" part is being overplayed too.
None of those saves Randolph made yesterday were jaw-droppingly good. They were all ones you'd expect a decent Premier League keeper to make, even the one from Lingard, where he showed good reflexes. More a case of poor finishing from United, especially the Rashford one.

The save Randolph made from Mkhitaryan on 76 minutes was arguably the save of the season so far. I have watched numerous Jose sides in the past create feck all in games and nick a lucky win the opposite is now happening for him at United.

[rodney trotter]

They are creating loads of chances against teams you expect them to dominate at home. Burnley,Stoke and West ham. They still only drew those games. How is that playing better?

Last year they would spent these type of games passing the ball side to side and only having a couple of shots all game.
The individual brilliance of De Gea and Martial bailed out the team far too many times in woeful performances.

A few extra shots isn't much to get excited about though. West ham are in poor form,. They were 4th bottom before yesterdays game.

[yellowcard]

The football is quicker and much more direct even if there are too many aimless crosses aimed at Ibrahimovic for my liking (who is actually not as good in the air as I had thought). There are far more chances being created alright but bear in mind that Stoke, Burnley and West Ham were all in relegation trouble when they came to OT. United should be eating those teams up.

[gawa316]

It's hard to believe that Moyes in both his seasons and LVG in his one, had a better record after 13 games.

[Milltown Row2]

It's hard to believe that Moyes in both his seasons and LVG in his one, had a better record after 13 games.

It is considering how poor a manager he is and how hes performed since

[magpie seanie]

Got that the wrong way around (Moyes had 1 year, LVG 2) but sure Jose is the special one, isn't he?

While recently it can be said United have played some good stuff and really should have won those 4 home games the Chelsea/Liverpool and City performances among others can't just e forgotten. Jose could take another notion at any time and resort to bus parking, picking Fellaini or whatever. His behaviour is very erratic to say the least.

[OgraAnDun]

You're the equivalent of TF on the Celtic thread about Rodgers. I didn't want Mourinho before, but he's here now and sacking another manager won't help us at all. Who out there do you think should replace him anyway? I can't think of too many candidates.

[TabClear]

Got that the wrong way around (Moyes had 1 year, LVG 2) but sure Jose is the special one, isn't he?

While recently it can be said United have played some good stuff and really should have won those 4 home games the Chelsea/Liverpool and City performances among others can't just e forgotten. Jose could take another notion at any time and resort to bus parking, picking Fellaini or whatever. His behaviour is very erratic to say the least.

That's pretty telling. United under ferguson and most of Jose a previous teams always performed well against their main rivals. This season they've looked off the pace in big games,arsenal aside.  And call it unlucky or not taking their chances but they probably haven't got the results they deserved in matches they dominated.

I fully expect one of the current top 4 to fall back towards the pack over the next month or so. Liverpool probably looking most vulnerable due to injuries and I think United will pick up so I don't think I would count them out of top 4 just yet.

[magpie seanie]

You're the equivalent of TF on the Celtic thread about Rodgers. I didn't want Mourinho before, but he's here now and sacking another manager won't help us at all. Who out there do you think should replace him anyway? I can't think of too many candidates.

I don't read the Celtic thread but I'd doubt I'm the same as you describe. I'd ask you to argue the points. Make the case for Mourinho. Show me why I'm wrong. This is the worst start to a season since 1990. The manager has been suspended twice and is constantly in trouble with officials/authorities and publicly criticising and ostracizing players. It's clear to anyone that referees are erring on the side of not giving decisions to United now as Mourinho has become the boy who cried wolf. Refs are human beings and you need to know how to handle them...like Ferguson did. His behaviour is a follow on from his behaviour last season with his previous club when he left them close to the relegation zone a matter of months after winning the title with them. Lots of United supporters like you believe things will only get better but I'd ask.....what if they get worse?

I cannot stand Mourinho and will never accept him as manager of the club. Just as I cannot stand the Glazers and will never accept that they should be allowed own the club. That does not invalidate my opinion. If he turns it around, leads the club back to winning titles and European Cups where they should be and behaves like a normal human being I will give him the credit he deserves. I'm not holding my breath though, especially on the last part.

[Cunny Funt]

Man United getting into a habit of scoring either 4 goals winning pulling up or dominating and only drawing.

No disrespect to hull or Southampton but it's looking like a Man United v Liverpool league final.