Man Utd Thread:

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laoislad

Quote from: screenexile on April 24, 2014, 04:41:03 PM
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Quote from: screenexile on April 24, 2014, 03:23:38 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 24, 2014, 03:07:17 PM
Judging by the market it looks like Van Gaal is the strong front runner for the job which is a safe pair of hands in the short term. The problem he will face is that the sqaud needs a complete immediate overhaul. Those who aren't good enough to play for Man Utd are Rafael, Smalling, Anderson, Cleverly, Fellaini, Buttner, Nani and Young whilst Evra, Vidic, Ferdinand, Carrick and Giggs are past it.

That leaves a squad made up of De Gea, Evans, Jones, Mata, Rooney, Kagawa, Wellbeck, Van Persie, Hernandez, Fletcher, Zaha, Van Persie, Valencia and Januzaj. There are a few debatable names left in the list of those worth keeping but they need to try and maintain the core of the squad for stability purposes alone. The defencies in defence and central midfield are huge and at least 5 players will be needed in those positions. Attacking wise they are more than competent if Van Persie stays at the club. However with Mata, Rooney, Kagawa, and even Januzaj to a lesser extent, all being best deployed in the position just behind the main striker, it shows a lack of planning and balance in the current squad. One of these players may have to leave and more than likely it will be Kagawa who I rate highly. One of the positives for Man Utd is that Liverpool proved this year that you can afford to carry a smaller squad when not competing in Europe provided that the first XI is strong. Therefore they should concentrate on quality signings rather than on quantity. Two full backs, a centre back and 2 central midfielders are a must.

Talk of Cavani for £56 million is a nonsense if you ask me, way overpriced to begin with but definitely not what Man Utd require either. Luke Shaw has been mentioned who imo is a very good player but will probably cost double his true worth due to his nationality. A lot will depend on the temperament of the player and how he can handle the spotlight, he is still largely unproven at the top level.

The big problem they have though is how long will the club be left in limbo before they appoint a new manager? Van Gaal will more than likely be tied up until near the end of June which will leave the club handicapped when trying to recruit potential signings before the world cup. Each day the club remain without a manager is a day lost in selling the club to potential recruits. I personally thought that Klopp would have been the ideal choice for Man Utd but it appears that the club is not as attractive a proposition on the continent that some would have us believe, and that may be largely due to the daunting legacy left behind by Ferguson and the long term rebuilding job that the job entails. One man that would jump at the job would be Mourinho imo but I don't think his incendiary nature and his appetite for confrontation will fit well at a PR savvy club like Man Utd. Whatever happens it is interesting times ahead.

Not quite sure what you're on about here... press have been talking all week about the amount of leaks coming from the board room and the dressing room all year!

Along with that you had Fergies banning reporters/not talking to the BBC/walking out on press conferences. PR savvy is not something I would call Man Ure...

Liverpool done a great job with Suarez too  ;)

No they didn't... it was a f**king hatchet job what they did!

I don't support Liverpool either btw!
Yeah but if you say anything bad about Man United the person responding has to mention Liverpool even if Liverpool have nothing to do with it!
Them the rules!
When you think you're fucked you're only about 40% fucked.

J OGorman

Would Utd fans really want Mourinho managing their club?

EC Unique

Quote from: J OGorman on April 24, 2014, 05:16:06 PM
Would Utd fans really want Mourinho managing their club?

The more I read about Van Gaal and his style of play and management the more I would prefer him over Mourinho.

yellowcard

Quote from: J OGorman on April 24, 2014, 05:16:06 PM
Would Utd fans really want Mourinho managing their club?

I think Van Gaal would be a better bet than Mourinho and as a short term option I think Van Gaal is the best man that is AVAILABLE. The only obstacle will be recruitment of players since he couldn't possibly take up the post whilst preparing the Dutch team for a world cup and so will lose valuable planning time.

I've no doubt that Mourinho could extract a lot more out of those players than Moyes got and with a few recruitments could have them back in the top 4 within a season. However Mourinho will do what is best for Mourinho and not necessarily what is best for Man Utd. To me he seems as though he is becoming increasingly paranoid and looks battle scarred and a bit fed up of management.   

Man Marker

Mourinho is one of the top three managers in the world, and has consistently delivered over the long term. Simple question, would he win a Premier League with Utd, the answer is who would bet against it. With his record in the champions league would you bet against him bringing Utd consistently to semi finals/finals, it's a no brainer for a club who wants success. He will bring it, he's a guarantee

Captain Obvious

Quote from: yellowcard on April 24, 2014, 05:35:09 PM
It was common opinion that that group of players over achieved greatly under Ferguson   
In fairness its also common opinion that this group of players under achieved greatly under David Moyes. Jose Mourinho has been getting the best out of his side this season, champions league semi final and still have a slim chance in the league he has the players motivated his sides are all about workrate how many Manchester United players have bust a gut this season?

ludermor

Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 24, 2014, 05:10:11 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on April 24, 2014, 03:10:30 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 24, 2014, 03:07:17 PM
Judging by the market it looks like Van Gaal is the strong front runner for the job which is a safe pair of hands in the short term. The problem he will face is that the sqaud needs a complete immediate overhaul. Those who aren't good enough to play for Man Utd are Rafael, Smalling, Anderson, Cleverly, Fellaini, Buttner, Nani and Young whilst Evra, Vidic, Ferdinand, Carrick and Giggs are past it.



But, but, these lads won a PL title last year pulling away, they don't become bad players overnight and now with Moyes gone, I'd expect these lads to flourish like they did under Ferguson and win the PL back next year with a good 10 points to spare.

Got to be saved for next year  ;D
Fcuk me ,but you are a gimp

Shrewdness

Good original post from Yellowcard. Would agree with your list of players who should be got rid of, apart from Rafael and Smalling. The problem is that we might not be able to get rid of them all this summer...As for signing Edinson Cavani, i wouldn't. Reminds me of a rich man's Andy Carroll.

rodney trotter

Quote from: yellowcard on April 24, 2014, 05:35:09 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on April 24, 2014, 05:16:06 PM
Would Utd fans really want Mourinho managing their club?

I think Van Gaal would be a better bet than Mourinho and as a short term option I think Van Gaal is the best man that is AVAILABLE. The only obstacle will be recruitment of players since he couldn't possibly take up the post whilst preparing the Dutch team for a world cup and so will lose valuable planning time.

I've no doubt that Mourinho could extract a lot more out of those players than Moyes got and with a few recruitments could have them back in the top 4 within a season. However Mourinho will do what is best for Mourinho and not necessarily what is best for Man Utd. To me he seems as though he is becoming increasingly paranoid and looks battle scarred and a bit fed up of management.   

I can't see Mourinho leaving Chelsea after one season on his return, why would he, Diego Costa looks set to join them next season and that will give them some fire power. Utd are closing in on a few of the transfer targets regardless of who is there next season , saw on Twitter thats the players that have been idenifed have been discussed with Van Gaal ,so it seems likely he will get the job.

yellowcard

Quote from: rodney trotter on April 24, 2014, 10:13:27 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 24, 2014, 05:35:09 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on April 24, 2014, 05:16:06 PM
Would Utd fans really want Mourinho managing their club?

I think Van Gaal would be a better bet than Mourinho and as a short term option I think Van Gaal is the best man that is AVAILABLE. The only obstacle will be recruitment of players since he couldn't possibly take up the post whilst preparing the Dutch team for a world cup and so will lose valuable planning time.

I've no doubt that Mourinho could extract a lot more out of those players than Moyes got and with a few recruitments could have them back in the top 4 within a season. However Mourinho will do what is best for Mourinho and not necessarily what is best for Man Utd. To me he seems as though he is becoming increasingly paranoid and looks battle scarred and a bit fed up of management.   

I can't see Mourinho leaving Chelsea after one season on his return, why would he, Diego Costa looks set to join them next season and that will give them some fire power. Utd are closing in on a few of the transfer targets regardless of who is there next season , saw on Twitter thats the players that have been idenifed have been discussed with Van Gaal ,so it seems likely he will get the job.

If you seen it on twitter it must be true then!! ;) Im sure any potential signings if they are signing for footballing reasons, would like to speak to the new manager and find out his plans before committing to signing for the club. If they sign before a manager is appointed you would have to question are they signing for financial reasons and also exactly who is sanctioning the signings presuming that the potential manager is still under contract.

I can't see Mourinho leaving Chelsea this summer either but I would be surprised if he is still there in a year or twos time. Diego Costa is flavour of the month at the minute and is a good player but his achievements don't merit the £50m price tag mentioned. Both Shevchenko and Torres had achieved much more in the game when they arrived at Chelsea but look how they fared out. It's hard for a striker to thrive in a Mourinho set up due to the structured and rigid football they play.




rodney trotter

Chelsea and other clubs in the past have signed players beforee a manager was appointed.  Toni Kroos is clearly looking for a pay day, I doubt he caress much about the managers plans. Would be a great signing nonetheless.

ross4life

Selling/getting rid of 10 players & bringing in around 12 is probably grand in football manager on the playstation but in reality...

The key to success is to be consistently competitive -- if you bang on the door often it will open

yellowcard

Quote from: rodney trotter on April 24, 2014, 10:43:09 PM
Chelsea and other clubs in the past have signed players beforee a manager was appointed.  Toni Kroos is clearly looking for a pay day, I doubt he caress much about the managers plans. Would be a great signing nonetheless.

Kroos is top class but he will cost £35m and £13m pa in wages though he is definitely the type of player they need to be getting in.

yellowcard

Quote from: ross4life on April 24, 2014, 11:18:16 PM
Selling/getting rid of 10 players & bringing in around 12 is probably grand in football manager on the playstation but in reality...

Unlikely that it will happen in one window but they definitely need 4 or 5 players to come into the club. They have already spent £65m under Moyes but I reckon it could take another £100m + under the new manager leaving approx £200m in total spent since Fergusons departure. Obviously there will be money coming in from player sales to offset against this.

johnneycool

Quote from: ludermor on April 24, 2014, 09:35:26 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 24, 2014, 05:10:11 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on April 24, 2014, 03:10:30 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 24, 2014, 03:07:17 PM
Judging by the market it looks like Van Gaal is the strong front runner for the job which is a safe pair of hands in the short term. The problem he will face is that the sqaud needs a complete immediate overhaul. Those who aren't good enough to play for Man Utd are Rafael, Smalling, Anderson, Cleverly, Fellaini, Buttner, Nani and Young whilst Evra, Vidic, Ferdinand, Carrick and Giggs are past it.



But, but, these lads won a PL title last year pulling away, they don't become bad players overnight and now with Moyes gone, I'd expect these lads to flourish like they did under Ferguson and win the PL back next year with a good 10 points to spare.

Got to be saved for next year  ;D
Fcuk me ,but you are a gimp
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