Derry vs Monaghan Senior Championship Group 4 27th May

[tyroneman]

Derry are just teetering along the same as last year. They'll get walloped in croke park in quarter / semi.

Haven't evolved when it comes down to the business end. Tyrone would give a better account against the top 3 or 4 teams even if they'd be beat too.

Is this the Tyrone Derry have been beat by about 10 points in last 2 meetings v Derry. I'll accept Derry won't win the AI and will get beat by someone at Croke Park but this narrative that Tyrone are better is nonsense. No team would have beat Monaghan handy last night the way they played, they are a good side and D1 for a reason. Lets not forget they beat Tyrone a few weeks ago as well

Mostly people outside Tyrone talking us up. We have done little yet to convince we are AI contenders this year.

[marty34]

Oh, and what a player McAvoy turning in to.

He's great at blocking the ball. Does it regularly.

A skill that you don't see as much of nowadays.

[Fuzzman]

https://twitter.com/CiDeely/status/1662553734197436416?t=b3Bs-MfuaMunQjy-HNaleg&s=19

That was some kick, under pressure.

What the hell is the story with the Derry fans booing?

[seafoid]

Beggan and the Derry goalie both pushed well up beyond half way regularly which is crazy if they come across a counterattacking team, rather than a fixed ulster defensive block,  later on .

[JoG2]

https://twitter.com/CiDeely/status/1662553734197436416?t=b3Bs-MfuaMunQjy-HNaleg&s=19

That was some kick, under pressure.

What the hell is the story with the Derry fans booing?

Awful to hear, and zero excuse for it, but it was a reaction to a few of the referee's calls

[Estimator]

Relieved to get out of Celtic Pk with a point yesterday. Certainly a v poor performance from Derry. The intensity that the previous manager brought to the players is evidently missing. Meaning players aren't held to the same v high standards. So they get away with laziness and silly options that they wouldnt have attempted under him.

Though, strangely happy that Derry did something that is often thrown at them by experts on here and elsewhere. They chased down a lead. Twice in the 2nd half they were 3pts down, but managed to claw that back in against an established Div 1 side that was planning and prepping for this game for the last 4 weeks.

Sitting in the stand, so didn't have a view on the 'point', but could tell that the umpires weren't decisive at all. And speaking to (Derry) people on terrace. They were sure it was a wide ball.

Reffing ain't easy, but they definitely are frustrating characters, especially when similar incidents occur and the outcome is different. Fella gets surrounded by tacklers, over carrying one way, next time it's a free the other way. He did tell plenty of lads to cut out the diving.

Derry will never make wholesale changes, but based on the last two games - Cassidy and Loughlin should be benched for next week. Where is the motivation when it's almost harder to get off the team than it is to get on. Cassidy seemed to be chasing shadows the entire game. And Loughlin didn't see any ball. They need a break. Thought Toner put in a decent shift. Murray and one from McCarron/Tad should start.

Ballybofey will really let us know where Derry are at. Donegal already have 2pts on the board and will certainly fancy themselves watching that game. 

[tyrone08]

https://twitter.com/CiDeely/status/1662553734197436416?t=b3Bs-MfuaMunQjy-HNaleg&s=19

That was some kick, under pressure.

What the hell is the story with the Derry fans booing?

Follows all of Gallaghers team like a bad smell.

[Walter Cronc]

https://twitter.com/CiDeely/status/1662553734197436416?t=b3Bs-MfuaMunQjy-HNaleg&s=19

That was some kick, under pressure.

What the hell is the story with the Derry fans booing?

Follows all of Gallaghers team like a bad smell.

Aye Gallagher got the fans to boo. Away and have a word with yourself 08.. You lot have plenty to worry about!

[tyrone08]

https://twitter.com/CiDeely/status/1662553734197436416?t=b3Bs-MfuaMunQjy-HNaleg&s=19

That was some kick, under pressure.

What the hell is the story with the Derry fans booing?

Follows all of Gallaghers team like a bad smell.

Aye Gallagher got the fans to boo. Away and have a word with yourself 08.. You lot have plenty to worry about!

Ah come off it now, Donegal fans used to boo like mad when him and Jim were in charge. Crept into Fermanagh when he was in charge and now Derry. Bit of a coincidence is it not. Tyrone have nothing to do with it so not sure what's the relevance of Derry fans suddenly booing every free kick since Gallagher in charge has to do with tyrone

[Wildweasel74]

I put it down more to a ton of fans now following who were never following Derry through Division 3/4. Hate the booing craic, but in this case I think they booing the ref not Monaghan.

[Derry Optimist]

 Regarding yesterdays game versus Monaghan let us get the negatives out of the way first. Derry in the last two games have been well below par both in the Ulster final and  yesterday. When you take into account that practically the same small panel of players have played seventeen high intensity games from the start of the McKenna Cup, through the League, the Ulster Championship and yesterday it is inevitable that the side can not always perform to the same high level.

Last year they peaked at the Ulster final. This year they peaked at the semi final stage  simply because they had to play at a higher level this year earlier in order to achieve their objective of reaching Division One which they duly did.They had to go to extra time and a penalty shoot out in order to win back to back Ulster titles this year. That fact alone and the management upheaval was obviously a further physical and mental strain on the players.

So the dip in form was inevitable but when you consider their magnificent fight back from being three points down in the last minute to even go temporarily ahead shows the innate fighting spirit and resilience of this team. So all is not yet lost.

True there were other negative factors at play in last night's game. First of all the refereeing was of a very low standard..Throughout the game Derry's central players in particular were continually held off the ball when the kick outs were being taken.  This was a crafty and unfair Monaghan tactic to disrupt Derry from transitioning the ball quickly  to their attacking players.Secondly three diabolical decisions were given against Derry when they were in an advantageous position.They were denied a scoreable free and on two other occasions when Derry should have been awarded frees the decision incredibly went the other way.Finally Moaghan's fifth "point" was clearly wide .

On the Derry debit side three of our players gave away unnecessary frees for which we were duly punished. Our greatest faux paus, however, was to push up too far when Monaghan had possession and leave Monaghan to easily score five points from distance. Grant it they were great points but our central defensive marking which allowed Bannigan , McCarthy and company to score at will was very poor. Three players in particular were very slack and unobservant in this regard.This brings me to another couple of problems. In the modern game the top counties have good long distance dead ball kickers. Unfortunately, we only have the magnificent Shane McGuigan for the short and medium right - sided kicks and Niall Toner for the  short left-sided kicks. Two long distance free kicks at least are scored in every top game.

Three of our defenders and three of our starting forwards have not been playing particularly well in their current roles. Maybe the time has come to revise and freshen up our current structure going forward. I strongly believe that the intelligent ball -winning  and definite scoring prowess of Lachlan Murray has to be utilised from the beginning, that Padraig Cassidy should start and if Oisin McWilliams and Matthew Downey are going to be injured for the long term  management will have to seriously consider recalling Emmett Bradley to join Ray McCarron as subs who will be called upon for meaningful substitute time.

Undoubtedly players should be given plenty of rest time in between playing matches for the rest of the season and hopefully the rehabbing Matthew and Oisin will be able to take their places on the bench very soon. That last ten minutes of inspirational play last night should be a strong signal for both management and players that they are basically on the right track but will have to take into consideration some of the points made above.

[Main Street]

https://twitter.com/CiDeely/status/1662553734197436416?t=b3Bs-MfuaMunQjy-HNaleg&s=19

That was some kick, under pressure.

What the hell is the story with the Derry fans booing?

How  long was that free kick out from the goal, 45m + 15m? 

[Nanderson]

using the ol pythagoras theroem and google earth it could be roughly 60m as an estimate

[Keyser soze]

Regarding yesterdays game versus Monaghan let us get the negatives out of the way first. Derry in the last two games have been well below par both in the Ulster final and  yesterday. When you take into account that practically the same small panel of players have played seventeen high intensity games from the start of the McKenna Cup, through the League, the Ulster Championship and yesterday it is inevitable that the side can not always perform to the same high level.

Last year they peaked at the Ulster final. This year they peaked at the semi final stage  simply because they had to play at a higher level this year earlier in order to achieve their objective of reaching Division One which they duly did.They had to go to extra time and a penalty shoot out in order to win back to back Ulster titles this year. That fact alone and the management upheaval was obviously a further physical and mental strain on the players.

So the dip in form was inevitable but when you consider their magnificent fight back from being three points down in the last minute to even go temporarily ahead shows the innate fighting spirit and resilience of this team. So all is not yet lost.

True there were other negative factors at play in last night's game. First of all the refereeing was of a very low standard..Throughout the game Derry's central players in particular were continually held off the ball when the kick outs were being taken.  This was a crafty and unfair Monaghan tactic to disrupt Derry from transitioning the ball quickly  to their attacking players.Secondly three diabolical decisions were given against Derry when they were in an advantageous position.They were denied a scoreable free and on two other occasions when Derry should have been awarded frees the decision incredibly went the other way.Finally Moaghan's fifth "point" was clearly wide .

On the Derry debit side three of our players gave away unnecessary frees for which we were duly punished. Our greatest faux paus, however, was to push up too far when Monaghan had possession and leave Monaghan to easily score five points from distance. Grant it they were great points but our central defensive marking which allowed Bannigan , McCarthy and company to score at will was very poor. Three players in particular were very slack and unobservant in this regard.This brings me to another couple of problems. In the modern game the top counties have good long distance dead ball kickers. Unfortunately, we only have the magnificent Shane McGuigan for the short and medium right - sided kicks and Niall Toner for the  short left-sided kicks. Two long distance free kicks at least are scored in every top game.

Three of our defenders and three of our starting forwards have not been playing particularly well in their current roles. Maybe the time has come to revise and freshen up our current structure going forward. I strongly believe that the intelligent ball -winning  and definite scoring prowess of Lachlan Murray has to be utilised from the beginning, that Padraig Cassidy should start and if Oisin McWilliams and Matthew Downey are going to be injured for the long term  management will have to seriously consider recalling Emmett Bradley to join Ray McCarron as subs who will be called upon for meaningful substitute time.

Undoubtedly players should be given plenty of rest time in between playing matches for the rest of the season and hopefully the rehabbing Matthew and Oisin will be able to take their places on the bench very soon. That last ten minutes of inspirational play last night should be a strong signal for both management and players that they are basically on the right track but will have to take into consideration some of the points made above.

A great player.  But I somehow feel his best days are behind him and he would struggle to impact the game even as a sub.

And he's from Monaghan.

[OakLeaf]

I was on the Terrace side, about 30m out from goal and that Monaghan point looked very wide to me. I felt the ref gave some brutal decisions against Derry (like others have pointed out). All of that said, Derry were very flat throughout the game, and seemed unwilling to take some of the attacking chances they had been taking prior to the Ulster final. Monaghan played well and took some great long range points. We were lucky to come out with the draw, truth be told. Great character to come back from the dead though. Hopefully we can push on in Ballybofey. I feel like this Donegal game will have a significant bearing on what the rest of our season will look like.