Irish neutrality

[93-DY-SAM]

Currently, a hostile power like Russia doesn't need to land 100,000 troops on the beach in Wexford. They could bring Ireland to its knees with far less manpower and effort.
The remote cyber stuff is one aspect.
I'd suspect a few dozen personnel, unknown, unchecked and unhindered could neutralise Ireland's energy, communication, rail network, ports etc in short time. 
We don't think it will happen, but we definitely have little means to prevent the possibility.

The countries in immediate danger from Russian attack are former Soviet states and countries in close proximity.
But, Putin and Russia generally has a big problem with prosperity and democracy to the west of them in Europe.
The more attractive an entity like the EU looks, the greater the pull away from Moscow.

Putin would have no problem taking advantage of Ireland's weak defence if it gave him an opportunity to destabilise Europe even further.

Being 'neutral' or canvassing that Russia and Ireland are good buddies and should remain so, is not a strong defence policy.

Not too many countries can defend themselves from nukes if Russia so decided, regardless the size of their army.

[Banks of the Bann]

So let's talk specifics lads.

What size of a standing army are we going to need to fend off this Russian invasion?

How many planes?

How many ships?

How many tanks?

Here take a chill pill and have a go Franko, I've done the first part for you

I Franko, know for 100% certainty that Ireland will never be attacked or intimidated militarily by any other nation on this good earth, not now, or in the next 10-20-30 years.

I know this because:






p.s. it's amazing, no one has had a go at this yet. Maybe Franko will get the ball rolling.

It takes a certain level of intelligence to find this 'really amazing'.

Oh do tell us all why Ireland requires almost no army, no navy and no air force.

You're 100% certain we will never need them are you? Cos if you're not, and you still don't want to spend the money, then it means you still want to let others do it for us.

p.s. No one suggested Ireland had to tool up to take on Russia by itself. But you already knew that. Sorry for blowing away your wee straw man.

Firstly... straw man... lol - see bold and cringe please


I'm not 100% certain

But one thing I am certain of, is that if we ever get invaded by a hostile force, unless others get involved, we're going to be toast regardless.  It's the way it has and always will be for a nation our size

So others are going to be 'doing it for us' anyway

But you're being very evasive on my question

What size does this army need to be?

Cos if you can't even tell me that much, it's hard to avoid the conclusion you're just another internet blowhard

So having the opinion that Ireland needs to beef up it's defence forces makes one a 'blowhard'. Lots of blowhards on here this morning it would seem.

You appear to exist in a binary world where there only exists peace and quiet or full scale invasion. All or nothing. The black and white worldview of a simpleton.

As pointed out already, there exists a world of possible scenarios in between those two.

As for what is required, the Irish Government has already commissioned what they think is necessary in their 2024 Defence Force Review.

As an aside, since you seem perfectly happy with the status quo, do you think that the Irish Defence forces should have the capability to intercept aircraft that switch off their transponders and enter Irish airspace?

Do you support the current set-up where the British RAF take on this role for the Irish?

[Bord na Mona man]

Currently, a hostile power like Russia doesn't need to land 100,000 troops on the beach in Wexford. They could bring Ireland to its knees with far less manpower and effort.
The remote cyber stuff is one aspect.
I'd suspect a few dozen personnel, unknown, unchecked and unhindered could neutralise Ireland's energy, communication, rail network, ports etc in short time. 
We don't think it will happen, but we definitely have little means to prevent the possibility.

The countries in immediate danger from Russian attack are former Soviet states and countries in close proximity.
But, Putin and Russia generally has a big problem with prosperity and democracy to the west of them in Europe.
The more attractive an entity like the EU looks, the greater the pull away from Moscow.

Putin would have no problem taking advantage of Ireland's weak defence if it gave him an opportunity to destabilise Europe even further.

Being 'neutral' or canvassing that Russia and Ireland are good buddies and should remain so, is not a strong defence policy.

Not too many countries can defend themselves from nukes if Russia so decided, regardless the size of their army.

That's not a great argument for having no defence. What other country has opted to be defenceless on the basis that they could ultimately be nuked?

Russia could mess Ireland up in dozens of different ways and still pretend they had nothing to do with it.
Look at the distorted information age we live in now. There are plenty of people backing them as we speak.
The same would apply to anything they did to Ireland.

[Armagh18]

Russia have already in some ways taken over America with their little puppet in the white house and are in the process of doing the same to the Brits with Farage and his mates..

[Banks of the Bann]

Russia have already in some ways taken over America with their little puppet in the white house and are in the process of doing the same to the Brits with Farage and his mates..

You are 100% correct and they have recently stated in their National Strategic Strategy that they are going to promote populist nationalistic governments in the EU.

They have also stated that they will specifically target Poland, Austria, Hungary and Italy with an aim to pull them from the orbit of the EU.

Edit: can you imagine what a shitshow it would be here in the north with Farage as PM.

[seafoid]

So let's talk specifics lads.

What size of a standing army are we going to need to fend off this Russian invasion?

How many planes?

How many ships?

How many tanks?

Here take a chill pill and have a go Franko, I've done the first part for you

I Franko, know for 100% certainty that Ireland will never be attacked or intimidated militarily by any other nation on this good earth, not now, or in the next 10-20-30 years.

I know this because:






p.s. it's amazing, no one has had a go at this yet. Maybe Franko will get the ball rolling.

It takes a certain level of intelligence to find this 'really amazing'.

Oh do tell us all why Ireland requires almost no army, no navy and no air force.

You're 100% certain we will never need them are you? Cos if you're not, and you still don't want to spend the money, then it means you still want to let others do it for us.

p.s. No one suggested Ireland had to tool up to take on Russia by itself. But you already knew that. Sorry for blowing away your wee straw man.

Firstly... straw man... lol - see bold and cringe please




But one thing I am certain of, is that if we ever get invaded by a hostile force, unless others get involved, we're going to be toast regardless.  It's the way it has and always will be for a nation our size

Ukraine has been invaded and is being supported by weapons from other countries.

The IRA got weapons from Libya and other countries.

We wouldn't be on our own.

[seafoid]

Currently, a hostile power like Russia doesn't need to land 100,000 troops on the beach in Wexford. They could bring Ireland to its knees with far less manpower and effort.
The remote cyber stuff is one aspect.
I'd suspect a few dozen personnel, unknown, unchecked and unhindered could neutralise Ireland's energy, communication, rail network, ports etc in short time. 
We don't think it will happen, but we definitely have little means to prevent the possibility.

The countries in immediate danger from Russian attack are former Soviet states and countries in close proximity.
But, Putin and Russia generally has a big problem with prosperity and democracy to the west of them in Europe.
The more attractive an entity like the EU looks, the greater the pull away from Moscow.

Putin would have no problem taking advantage of Ireland's weak defence if it gave him an opportunity to destabilise Europe even further.

Being 'neutral' or canvassing that Russia and Ireland are good buddies and should remain so, is not a strong defence policy.

Not too many countries can defend themselves from nukes if Russia so decided, regardless the size of their army.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/residents-of-co-tyrone-town-stunned-to-find-home-on-russian-nuclear-target-list/a1709550107.html

A senior Russian politician has warned that a Co Tyrone town is on a 'strike list' should war break out between Russia and European states.

Former Deputy Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin named 23 sites which would be attacked in the UK in the event of conflict.

All of the targeted areas are home to facilities which supply weapons and other military kit.

A senior Russian politician named 23 sites which would be attacked in the UK in the event of conflict.


Fivemiletown in Co. Tyrone is the HQ of Cooneen Defence, which says it is the "largest supplier of uniform to the UK Ministry of Defence and supplier to multiple other European Military."

[Armagh18]

Russia have already in some ways taken over America with their little puppet in the white house and are in the process of doing the same to the Brits with Farage and his mates..

You are 100% correct and they have recently stated in their National Strategic Strategy that they are going to promote populist nationalistic governments in the EU.

They have also stated that they will specifically target Poland, Austria, Hungary and Italy with an aim to pull them from the orbit of the EU.

Edit: can you imagine what a shitshow it would be here in the north with Farage as PM.

God knows what Farage would do. He's liable to cut all funding and push for a United Ireland. 

[Banks of the Bann]

Russia have already in some ways taken over America with their little puppet in the white house and are in the process of doing the same to the Brits with Farage and his mates..

You are 100% correct and they have recently stated in their National Strategic Strategy that they are going to promote populist nationalistic governments in the EU.

They have also stated that they will specifically target Poland, Austria, Hungary and Italy with an aim to pull them from the orbit of the EU.

Edit: can you imagine what a shitshow it would be here in the north with Farage as PM.

God knows what Farage would do. He's liable to cut all funding and push for a United Ireland. 

True or he could be a rah rah rah Unionist like his former buddy Ben Habib.

[Armagh18]

Russia have already in some ways taken over America with their little puppet in the white house and are in the process of doing the same to the Brits with Farage and his mates..

You are 100% correct and they have recently stated in their National Strategic Strategy that they are going to promote populist nationalistic governments in the EU.

They have also stated that they will specifically target Poland, Austria, Hungary and Italy with an aim to pull them from the orbit of the EU.

Edit: can you imagine what a shitshow it would be here in the north with Farage as PM.

God knows what Farage would do. He's liable to cut all funding and push for a United Ireland. 

True or he could be a rah rah rah Unionist like his former buddy Ben Habib.

Suppose it depends what his backers want... the north off their bill would surely appeal.

He'll totally finish the NHS though which is one of the only arguments a lot of people make for staying in the UK

[OakLeaf]

Our defence spending should be as part of a European wide coordinated defence strategy. Ireland has no chance on its own, as is the case with many of the other smaller countries in Europe, but Europe as one, would be a deterrent.

[Banks of the Bann]

So let's talk specifics lads.

What size of a standing army are we going to need to fend off this Russian invasion?

How many planes?

How many ships?

How many tanks?

Here take a chill pill and have a go Franko, I've done the first part for you

I Franko, know for 100% certainty that Ireland will never be attacked or intimidated militarily by any other nation on this good earth, not now, or in the next 10-20-30 years.

I know this because:






p.s. it's amazing, no one has had a go at this yet. Maybe Franko will get the ball rolling.

It takes a certain level of intelligence to find this 'really amazing'.

Oh do tell us all why Ireland requires almost no army, no navy and no air force.

You're 100% certain we will never need them are you? Cos if you're not, and you still don't want to spend the money, then it means you still want to let others do it for us.

p.s. No one suggested Ireland had to tool up to take on Russia by itself. But you already knew that. Sorry for blowing away your wee straw man.

Firstly... straw man... lol - see bold and cringe please




But one thing I am certain of, is that if we ever get invaded by a hostile force, unless others get involved, we're going to be toast regardless.  It's the way it has and always will be for a nation our size

Ukraine has been invaded and is being supported by weapons from other countries.

The IRA got weapons from Libya and other countries.

We wouldn't be on our own.

Ireland would need at the very least to be able to fend off an initial invasion, which would mean being able to secure airports and military airfields. And hope the cavalry arrives thereafter.

See the importance of this in Ukraine where the Russian paratroopers were wiped out at Hostomel airfield.

[Franko]

So let's talk specifics lads.

What size of a standing army are we going to need to fend off this Russian invasion?

How many planes?

How many ships?

How many tanks?

Here take a chill pill and have a go Franko, I've done the first part for you

I Franko, know for 100% certainty that Ireland will never be attacked or intimidated militarily by any other nation on this good earth, not now, or in the next 10-20-30 years.

I know this because:






p.s. it's amazing, no one has had a go at this yet. Maybe Franko will get the ball rolling.

It takes a certain level of intelligence to find this 'really amazing'.

Oh do tell us all why Ireland requires almost no army, no navy and no air force.

You're 100% certain we will never need them are you? Cos if you're not, and you still don't want to spend the money, then it means you still want to let others do it for us.

p.s. No one suggested Ireland had to tool up to take on Russia by itself. But you already knew that. Sorry for blowing away your wee straw man.

Firstly... straw man... lol - see bold and cringe please




But one thing I am certain of, is that if we ever get invaded by a hostile force, unless others get involved, we're going to be toast regardless.  It's the way it has and always will be for a nation our size

Ukraine has been invaded and is being supported by weapons from other countries.

The IRA got weapons from Libya and other countries.

We wouldn't be on our own.

Ireland would need at the very least to be able to fend off an initial invasion, which would mean being able to secure airports and military airfields. And hope the cavalry arrives thereafter.

See the importance of this in Ukraine where the Russian paratroopers were wiped out at Hostomel airfield.

    

The actual state of Captain Mainwaring here

'Fend off an initial invasion'

Do me a favour ya balloon

The Chinese and Russian army are both over half the population of the entire country

If this country is ever the subject of a bona fide military invasion - you'd better hope the cavalry are here first

Otherwise, we might as well post you at the nearest beach head with a potato gun and a laptop

You might scunder them into turning back

[Banks of the Bann]

So let's talk specifics lads.

What size of a standing army are we going to need to fend off this Russian invasion?

How many planes?

How many ships?

How many tanks?

Here take a chill pill and have a go Franko, I've done the first part for you

I Franko, know for 100% certainty that Ireland will never be attacked or intimidated militarily by any other nation on this good earth, not now, or in the next 10-20-30 years.

I know this because:






p.s. it's amazing, no one has had a go at this yet. Maybe Franko will get the ball rolling.

It takes a certain level of intelligence to find this 'really amazing'.

Oh do tell us all why Ireland requires almost no army, no navy and no air force.

You're 100% certain we will never need them are you? Cos if you're not, and you still don't want to spend the money, then it means you still want to let others do it for us.

p.s. No one suggested Ireland had to tool up to take on Russia by itself. But you already knew that. Sorry for blowing away your wee straw man.

Firstly... straw man... lol - see bold and cringe please




But one thing I am certain of, is that if we ever get invaded by a hostile force, unless others get involved, we're going to be toast regardless.  It's the way it has and always will be for a nation our size

Ukraine has been invaded and is being supported by weapons from other countries.

The IRA got weapons from Libya and other countries.

We wouldn't be on our own.

Ireland would need at the very least to be able to fend off an initial invasion, which would mean being able to secure airports and military airfields. And hope the cavalry arrives thereafter.

See the importance of this in Ukraine where the Russian paratroopers were wiped out at Hostomel airfield.

    

The actual state of Captain Mainwaring here

'Fend off an initial invasion'

Do me a favour ya balloon

The Chinese and Russian army are both over half the population of the entire country

If this country is ever the subject of a bona fide military invasion - you'd better hope the cavalry are here first

Otherwise, we might as well post you at the nearest beach head with a potato gun and a laptop

You might scunder them into turning back

Taking a leaf out of HoG's book I see. The art of saying a lot while saying nothing at all.

Clinging to the one and only full scale invasion scenario. Good man.

I'll assume you're happy with the arrangement with the RAF until notified otherwise.

[JoG2]

So let's talk specifics lads.

What size of a standing army are we going to need to fend off this Russian invasion?

How many planes?

How many ships?

How many tanks?

Here take a chill pill and have a go Franko, I've done the first part for you

I Franko, know for 100% certainty that Ireland will never be attacked or intimidated militarily by any other nation on this good earth, not now, or in the next 10-20-30 years.

I know this because:






p.s. it's amazing, no one has had a go at this yet. Maybe Franko will get the ball rolling.

It takes a certain level of intelligence to find this 'really amazing'.

Oh do tell us all why Ireland requires almost no army, no navy and no air force.

You're 100% certain we will never need them are you? Cos if you're not, and you still don't want to spend the money, then it means you still want to let others do it for us.

p.s. No one suggested Ireland had to tool up to take on Russia by itself. But you already knew that. Sorry for blowing away your wee straw man.

Firstly... straw man... lol - see bold and cringe please




But one thing I am certain of, is that if we ever get invaded by a hostile force, unless others get involved, we're going to be toast regardless.  It's the way it has and always will be for a nation our size

Ukraine has been invaded and is being supported by weapons from other countries.

The IRA got weapons from Libya and other countries.

We wouldn't be on our own.

Ireland would need at the very least to be able to fend off an initial invasion, which would mean being able to secure airports and military airfields. And hope the cavalry arrives thereafter.

See the importance of this in Ukraine where the Russian paratroopers were wiped out at Hostomel airfield.

    

The actual state of Captain Mainwaring here

'Fend off an initial invasion'

Do me a favour ya balloon

The Chinese and Russian army are both over half the population of the entire country

If this country is ever the subject of a bona fide military invasion - you'd better hope the cavalry are here first

Otherwise, we might as well post you at the nearest beach head with a potato gun and a laptop

You might scunder them into turning back

Taking a leaf out of HoG's book I see. The art of saying a lot while saying nothing at all.

Clinging to the one and only full scale invasion scenario. Good man.

I'll assume you're happy with the arrangement with the RAF until notified otherwise.

Your bedroom Bann



Moon man