Irish neutrality

[Hand of God]

Another scroll through thread. Thanks lads.

Moderators have left the group it seems

Would you ever wind you neck and stop associating me with that. He has this place destroyed with his relentless smears and propaganda regardless of me challenging it or not.

Cop yourself on.

[Banks of the Bann]

Open question to all:

If Britain did decide to invade Ireland again, as our perpetual enemy of course, ..do you think the Irish Army should resist?

Or should only the 'Ordinary Irish' resist, but without weapons of course, as per RBB, HoG and every other tankie far-left fantasist muppet out there? 😂😂

We all know the answer of course.

Javelins would stop British tanks too.

That's not a hypothetical question. It's historical fact.

Funnily enough your biggest cheerleaders of Ukranian militarism in the 26 feel that nationalists in the north should have just stayed quiet and accepted the consequences of occupation, sectarian pogroms and denial of their human rights.

In fact Micheal Martin, the protagonist of eroding Irish neutrality, also an Israeli propagandist went as far as to blame the troubles wholly on the PIRA.

You are also going to be undone by your hypocrisy. You don't have a moral standpoint here. It's like a football team to you, you don't care how it's done as long as your guys win.

Haha lots of words, bluster and bullshit but you didn't address the question as usual 😂😂

If the Brits (the occupiers) poured over the border into the 26cos from the occupied north:

1. Should the armed forces of Ireland resist with the weapons available to them and those provided to them by allies?

2. 'Ordinary citizens' confront the tanks? Without weapons of course so there is no 'escalation'?

3. HoG confront the tanks on a shining white horse holding aloft a Sabina Higgins poem on glittering golden paper?

Which is it HoG, 1,2 or 3?

Well? You've had long enough?

What does AI say?

[seafoid]

https://www.ft.com/content/4748d385-877b-40f3-a1ca-0b8ed5177658
Ireland is an island nation that did not have a navy until 1946, had run out of ships by 1969 and is now so under-resourced that only four of its eight vessels are in service. Lacking security infrastructure, it is also cut off from those who might seek to help: friendly Nato nations are unable to communicate a potential hazard, such as an incoming Russian vessel, because Ireland lacks the intelligence systems to receive classified information, three European naval officers have told the FT.

[Hand of God]

Open question to all:

If Britain did decide to invade Ireland again, as our perpetual enemy of course, ..do you think the Irish Army should resist?

Or should only the 'Ordinary Irish' resist, but without weapons of course, as per RBB, HoG and every other tankie far-left fantasist muppet out there? 😂😂

We all know the answer of course.

Javelins would stop British tanks too.

That's not a hypothetical question. It's historical fact.

Funnily enough your biggest cheerleaders of Ukranian militarism in the 26 feel that nationalists in the north should have just stayed quiet and accepted the consequences of occupation, sectarian pogroms and denial of their human rights.

In fact Micheal Martin, the protagonist of eroding Irish neutrality, also an Israeli propagandist went as far as to blame the troubles wholly on the PIRA.

You are also going to be undone by your hypocrisy. You don't have a moral standpoint here. It's like a football team to you, you don't care how it's done as long as your guys win.

Haha lots of words, bluster and bullshit but you didn't address the question as usual 😂😂

If the Brits (the occupiers) poured over the border into the 26cos from the occupied north:

1. Should the armed forces of Ireland resist with the weapons available to them and those provided to them by allies?

2. 'Ordinary citizens' confront the tanks? Without weapons of course so there is no 'escalation'?

3. HoG confront the tanks on a shining white horse holding aloft a Sabina Higgins poem on glittering golden paper?

Which is it HoG, 1,2 or 3?

Well? You've had long enough?

What does AI say?

You ran away from the point I made as you're completely and an utter hypocrite.

Like you, the most vocal "pro-Ukraine" (that actually couldn't give a continental about Ukranians) have no issue with occupied forces committing terrorist atrocities on their island. In fact not only did they have no issue but they didn't do anything to support their fellow country men undergoing sectarian pogroms, state sponsored violence, murder and intimidation, denial of their human rights and institutional discrimination, they only blamed the victims for it.

This was inflicted by a state who have committed genocide on our people and still occupy our lands and ensure injustice to this day.

And you won't even address this. It's funny how the most fervent of the "pro-Ukraine" mon were so in favour or occupation and dehumanisation of Catholics in their homeland in the north of Ireland.

I'd rather you address this but you're trying to deflect with your usual smear and nonsense propaganda.

You don't care about Ukraine. You don't care about Ireland. You only care about Western imperialism succeeding at whatever cost. You are a fanatic and an extremist, a dangerous one.

[seafoid]

Open question to all:

If Britain did decide to invade Ireland again, as our perpetual enemy of course, ..do you think the Irish Army should resist?

Or should only the 'Ordinary Irish' resist, but without weapons of course, as per RBB, HoG and every other tankie far-left fantasist muppet out there? 😂😂

We all know the answer of course.

Javelins would stop British tanks too.

That's not a hypothetical question. It's historical fact.

Funnily enough your biggest cheerleaders of Ukranian militarism in the 26 feel that nationalists in the north should have just stayed quiet and accepted the consequences of occupation, sectarian pogroms and denial of their human rights.

In fact Micheal Martin, the protagonist of eroding Irish neutrality, also an Israeli propagandist went as far as to blame the troubles wholly on the PIRA.

You are also going to be undone by your hypocrisy. You don't have a moral standpoint here. It's like a football team to you, you don't care how it's done as long as your guys win.

Haha lots of words, bluster and bullshit but you didn't address the question as usual 😂😂

If the Brits (the occupiers) poured over the border into the 26cos from the occupied north:

1. Should the armed forces of Ireland resist with the weapons available to them and those provided to them by allies?

2. 'Ordinary citizens' confront the tanks? Without weapons of course so there is no 'escalation'?

3. HoG confront the tanks on a shining white horse holding aloft a Sabina Higgins poem on glittering golden paper?

Which is it HoG, 1,2 or 3?

Well? You've had long enough?

What does AI say?

You ran away from the point I made as you're completely and an utter hypocrite.

Like you, the most vocal "pro-Ukraine" (that actually couldn't give a continental about Ukranians) have no issue with occupied forces committing terrorist atrocities on their island. In fact not only did they have no issue but they didn't do anything to support their fellow country men undergoing sectarian pogroms, state sponsored violence, murder and intimidation, denial of their human rights and institutional discrimination, they only blamed the victims for it.

This was inflicted by a state who have committed genocide on our people and still occupy our lands and ensure injustice to this day.

And you won't even address this. It's funny how the most fervent of the "pro-Ukraine" mon were so in favour or occupation and dehumanisation of Catholics in their homeland in the north of Ireland.

I'd rather you address this but you're trying to deflect with your usual smear and nonsense propaganda.

You don't care about Ukraine. You don't care about Ireland. You only care about Western imperialism succeeding at whatever cost. You are a fanatic and an extremist, a dangerous one.

What has this rant got to do with neutrality? Try to follow the programme.

[Hand of God]

Open question to all:

If Britain did decide to invade Ireland again, as our perpetual enemy of course, ..do you think the Irish Army should resist?

Or should only the 'Ordinary Irish' resist, but without weapons of course, as per RBB, HoG and every other tankie far-left fantasist muppet out there? 😂😂

We all know the answer of course.

Javelins would stop British tanks too.

That's not a hypothetical question. It's historical fact.

Funnily enough your biggest cheerleaders of Ukranian militarism in the 26 feel that nationalists in the north should have just stayed quiet and accepted the consequences of occupation, sectarian pogroms and denial of their human rights.

In fact Micheal Martin, the protagonist of eroding Irish neutrality, also an Israeli propagandist went as far as to blame the troubles wholly on the PIRA.

You are also going to be undone by your hypocrisy. You don't have a moral standpoint here. It's like a football team to you, you don't care how it's done as long as your guys win.

Haha lots of words, bluster and bullshit but you didn't address the question as usual 😂😂

If the Brits (the occupiers) poured over the border into the 26cos from the occupied north:

1. Should the armed forces of Ireland resist with the weapons available to them and those provided to them by allies?

2. 'Ordinary citizens' confront the tanks? Without weapons of course so there is no 'escalation'?

3. HoG confront the tanks on a shining white horse holding aloft a Sabina Higgins poem on glittering golden paper?

Which is it HoG, 1,2 or 3?

Well? You've had long enough?

What does AI say?

You ran away from the point I made as you're completely and an utter hypocrite.

Like you, the most vocal "pro-Ukraine" (that actually couldn't give a continental about Ukranians) have no issue with occupied forces committing terrorist atrocities on their island. In fact not only did they have no issue but they didn't do anything to support their fellow country men undergoing sectarian pogroms, state sponsored violence, murder and intimidation, denial of their human rights and institutional discrimination, they only blamed the victims for it.

This was inflicted by a state who have committed genocide on our people and still occupy our lands and ensure injustice to this day.

And you won't even address this. It's funny how the most fervent of the "pro-Ukraine" mon were so in favour or occupation and dehumanisation of Catholics in their homeland in the north of Ireland.

I'd rather you address this but you're trying to deflect with your usual smear and nonsense propaganda.

You don't care about Ukraine. You don't care about Ireland. You only care about Western imperialism succeeding at whatever cost. You are a fanatic and an extremist, a dangerous one.

What has this rant got to do with neutrality? Try to follow the programme.

I asked you a question earlier relevant to neutrality and you ran away.

You are only able to contribute in a superficial, condescending and trolling manner.

How can Russia be our enemy when they have done nothing to us and Britain be our ally when they have committed genocide on Irish people, committed numerous terrorist atrocities, still illegally occupy our lands and to this very day still deny victims and families the justice and truth of their war crimes on the Catholic population?

You won't answer this as your whole position is riddled in contradictions. This is what happens when you are breast fed propaganda all your life, as you clearly have been. You are afraid of having your views examined.

[seafoid]

Open question to all:

If Britain did decide to invade Ireland again, as our perpetual enemy of course, ..do you think the Irish Army should resist?

Or should only the 'Ordinary Irish' resist, but without weapons of course, as per RBB, HoG and every other tankie far-left fantasist muppet out there? 😂😂

We all know the answer of course.

Javelins would stop British tanks too.

That's not a hypothetical question. It's historical fact.

Funnily enough your biggest cheerleaders of Ukranian militarism in the 26 feel that nationalists in the north should have just stayed quiet and accepted the consequences of occupation, sectarian pogroms and denial of their human rights.

In fact Micheal Martin, the protagonist of eroding Irish neutrality, also an Israeli propagandist went as far as to blame the troubles wholly on the PIRA.

You are also going to be undone by your hypocrisy. You don't have a moral standpoint here. It's like a football team to you, you don't care how it's done as long as your guys win.

Haha lots of words, bluster and bullshit but you didn't address the question as usual 😂😂

If the Brits (the occupiers) poured over the border into the 26cos from the occupied north:

1. Should the armed forces of Ireland resist with the weapons available to them and those provided to them by allies?

2. 'Ordinary citizens' confront the tanks? Without weapons of course so there is no 'escalation'?

3. HoG confront the tanks on a shining white horse holding aloft a Sabina Higgins poem on glittering golden paper?

Which is it HoG, 1,2 or 3?

Well? You've had long enough?

What does AI say?

You ran away from the point I made as you're completely and an utter hypocrite.

Like you, the most vocal "pro-Ukraine" (that actually couldn't give a continental about Ukranians) have no issue with occupied forces committing terrorist atrocities on their island. In fact not only did they have no issue but they didn't do anything to support their fellow country men undergoing sectarian pogroms, state sponsored violence, murder and intimidation, denial of their human rights and institutional discrimination, they only blamed the victims for it.

This was inflicted by a state who have committed genocide on our people and still occupy our lands and ensure injustice to this day.

And you won't even address this. It's funny how the most fervent of the "pro-Ukraine" mon were so in favour or occupation and dehumanisation of Catholics in their homeland in the north of Ireland.

I'd rather you address this but you're trying to deflect with your usual smear and nonsense propaganda.

You don't care about Ukraine. You don't care about Ireland. You only care about Western imperialism succeeding at whatever cost. You are a fanatic and an extremist, a dangerous one.

What has this rant got to do with neutrality? Try to follow the programme.

I asked you a question earlier relevant to neutrality and you ran away.

You are only able to contribute in a superficial, condescending and trolling manner.

How can Russia be our enemy when they have done nothing to us and Britain be our ally when they have committed genocide on Irish people, committed numerous terrorist atrocities, still illegally occupy our lands and to this very day still deny victims and families the justice and truth of their war crimes on the Catholic population?

You won't answer this as your whole position is riddled in contradictions. This is what happens when you are breast fed propaganda all your life, as you clearly have been. You are afraid of having your views examined.

Russia was behind the drones targeted at Zelenskyy's airplane in Irish water during the week. It's asymmetric warfare. It has nothing to do with British history.

[seafoid]

https://www.michaelmcdowell.ie/ireland-badly-needs-to-face-up-to-the-minimum-responsibilities-entailed-in-our-independence/

While Northern Ireland is relatively peaceful, the underlying potential for violence still exists and could easily be magnified in the context of any movement towards constitutional change.

How many Irish women and men could, if called upon, rally to the flag and handle an automatic weapon? How many Irish students, trainees and apprentices could assist the Irish State in an emergency? More worrying is the question as to whether the full-time Army membership could face down well-planned widespread political violence of a paramilitary kind were it to emerge.

[Substandard]

There are a lot of permutations that would have different cause and effect outcomes.  I imagine if there was a referendum which passed, there would need to be an agreed transition period thereafter before the constitutional change would be officially recognised, maybe even up to 20 years to allow for alignments, pensions, education and health merging. 
Assuming the British government accepted and approved a changeover, the potential for a concerted campaign of violence would be more limited, I think.  How would it be funded?  A population being taken over by a foreign force will have rebel resistance,  particularly when a part  separated from its motherland.  But in this case, the loyalist rebels would have the existential problem that the motherland they would be fighting to remain connected with would have cut them loose.  Would this mean that they would instead be fighting to become an independent entity, which raises a whole other slew of territorial considerations.
On the idea of being trained or prepared to fight should the need arise, would a conversation around compulsory national/ military service be needed?  This could have many different possibilities,  and to what degree could it balance providing training,  community and national services that could align with pathways into the army full-time,  or training and apprenticeship courses, and even college/ universities with the cost of rolling out, running, and maintaining such a system?

[Banks of the Bann]

Speaking of the Russians and state security - there was the odd case of 'Cobalt' a few years ago.

Russians wanting to stir up loyalist violence in the north with reference to the Irish Sea border if my memory serves me correctly.

Why they thought the numpty involved would have any sway is beyond anyone's knowledge.

[Hand of God]

Open question to all:

If Britain did decide to invade Ireland again, as our perpetual enemy of course, ..do you think the Irish Army should resist?

Or should only the 'Ordinary Irish' resist, but without weapons of course, as per RBB, HoG and every other tankie far-left fantasist muppet out there? 😂😂

We all know the answer of course.

Javelins would stop British tanks too.

That's not a hypothetical question. It's historical fact.

Funnily enough your biggest cheerleaders of Ukranian militarism in the 26 feel that nationalists in the north should have just stayed quiet and accepted the consequences of occupation, sectarian pogroms and denial of their human rights.

In fact Micheal Martin, the protagonist of eroding Irish neutrality, also an Israeli propagandist went as far as to blame the troubles wholly on the PIRA.

You are also going to be undone by your hypocrisy. You don't have a moral standpoint here. It's like a football team to you, you don't care how it's done as long as your guys win.

Haha lots of words, bluster and bullshit but you didn't address the question as usual 😂😂

If the Brits (the occupiers) poured over the border into the 26cos from the occupied north:

1. Should the armed forces of Ireland resist with the weapons available to them and those provided to them by allies?

2. 'Ordinary citizens' confront the tanks? Without weapons of course so there is no 'escalation'?

3. HoG confront the tanks on a shining white horse holding aloft a Sabina Higgins poem on glittering golden paper?

Which is it HoG, 1,2 or 3?

Well? You've had long enough?

What does AI say?

You ran away from the point I made as you're completely and an utter hypocrite.

Like you, the most vocal "pro-Ukraine" (that actually couldn't give a continental about Ukranians) have no issue with occupied forces committing terrorist atrocities on their island. In fact not only did they have no issue but they didn't do anything to support their fellow country men undergoing sectarian pogroms, state sponsored violence, murder and intimidation, denial of their human rights and institutional discrimination, they only blamed the victims for it.

This was inflicted by a state who have committed genocide on our people and still occupy our lands and ensure injustice to this day.

And you won't even address this. It's funny how the most fervent of the "pro-Ukraine" mon were so in favour or occupation and dehumanisation of Catholics in their homeland in the north of Ireland.

I'd rather you address this but you're trying to deflect with your usual smear and nonsense propaganda.

You don't care about Ukraine. You don't care about Ireland. You only care about Western imperialism succeeding at whatever cost. You are a fanatic and an extremist, a dangerous one.

What has this rant got to do with neutrality? Try to follow the programme.

I asked you a question earlier relevant to neutrality and you ran away.

You are only able to contribute in a superficial, condescending and trolling manner.

How can Russia be our enemy when they have done nothing to us and Britain be our ally when they have committed genocide on Irish people, committed numerous terrorist atrocities, still illegally occupy our lands and to this very day still deny victims and families the justice and truth of their war crimes on the Catholic population?

You won't answer this as your whole position is riddled in contradictions. This is what happens when you are breast fed propaganda all your life, as you clearly have been. You are afraid of having your views examined.

Russia was behind the drones targeted at Zelenskyy's airplane in Irish water during the week. It's asymmetric warfare. It has nothing to do with British history.

You seem to be far gone in propaganda absorption from Western media. It's not British history. The British still occupy 6 counties of Ireland. They still defy human rights and deny justice and the truth to the victims of their terrorism on this island. That's a far graver and tangible impact on the lives of Irish people than what you're claiming.

While we are at the US have used Irish airspace and Irish airports to refuel on their way to committing war crimes.

It's easy to see how hypocritical and insincere your stance is here.

[Banks of the Bann]

On the drone incursion during Zelenskyys visit:

https://x.com/kevpipps/status/1997679683786395910?s=46

[seafoid]

https://www.ft.com/content/2084e87d-d491-4852-8449-f90b73d4788b

In July 2024, DHL parcels exploded in logistics centres in the UK, Poland and Germany. Each of them was powerful enough to have brought down a cargo plane had they detonated onboard. Security services would eventually trace the plot back to a group of Russian-directed saboteurs who had a further 6kg of explosive material in their possession. That was enough to give them the capability for what security officials told the Financial Times was the next stage of the plan: to attack flights to the US, and cause more disruption to the airline industry than any act of terror since the World Trade Center attacks. It was just one near-miss incident in a co-ordinated and covert campaign of sabotage led by Moscow, officials believe, that has sown bewilderment across the continent and is steadily posing more of a risk to human lives.

[Baile Brigín 2]

https://www.ft.com/content/4748d385-877b-40f3-a1ca-0b8ed5177658
Ireland is an island nation that did not have a navy until 1946, had run out of ships by 1969 and is now so under-resourced that only four of its eight vessels are in service. Lacking security infrastructure, it is also cut off from those who might seek to help: friendly Nato nations are unable to communicate a potential hazard, such as an incoming Russian vessel, because Ireland lacks the intelligence systems to receive classified information, three European naval officers have told the FT.

They aren't that bad. The FT is on a sales pitch for big weapons. NATO can easily contact the DF.

During the cold war nobody bothered trying to sell us kit. Now we are rich they are queuing up and the FT in particular are pushing how it is our moral obligation to buy big

[Banks of the Bann]

https://www.ft.com/content/4748d385-877b-40f3-a1ca-0b8ed5177658
Ireland is an island nation that did not have a navy until 1946, had run out of ships by 1969 and is now so under-resourced that only four of its eight vessels are in service. Lacking security infrastructure, it is also cut off from those who might seek to help: friendly Nato nations are unable to communicate a potential hazard, such as an incoming Russian vessel, because Ireland lacks the intelligence systems to receive classified information, three European naval officers have told the FT.

They aren't that bad. The FT is on a sales pitch for big weapons. NATO can easily contact the DF.

During the cold war nobody bothered trying to sell us kit. Now we are rich they are queuing up and the FT in particular are pushing how it is our moral obligation to buy big

The military industrial complex wants to make more money so they have leaned on the Financial Times to write stories to put pressure on the Irish government buy expensive weapons?

Is that what you're saying?