The DUP thread

[AustinPowers]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly4ev0p1ewo

Does no harm to name and shame, whether it makes much difference is another thing but anyone who does this then good enough for them, no sympathy.

I remember years ago seeing such cases in our local paper with offenders named.

Did not realise SF had instructed DfC back in 2020 not to publish names anymore, fail to see the reasoning / agenda behind this.

I don't get why some  are so interested  in who claimed what.  Who cares?  Anyway, its  only loose change compared to the millions lost to  big businesses tax evasion. 

Naming them publicly, sure  it's no different to  someone in the paper for getting penalty points or  a speeding fine. It'll be  quickly forgotten about.  You'll be lighting the fire with  that  paper tomorrow

[Wildweasel74]

G u a nosey lot!

[Tony Baloney]

I remember growing up in the 80s and nearly everyone was doing "the double" so I have more respect for those people than the lazy hoors lying about claiming all round them.

[trileacman]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly4ev0p1ewo

Does no harm to name and shame, whether it makes much difference is another thing but anyone who does this then good enough for them, no sympathy.

I remember years ago seeing such cases in our local paper with offenders named.

Did not realise SF had instructed DfC back in 2020 not to publish names anymore, fail to see the reasoning / agenda behind this.

I don't get why some  are so interested  in who claimed what.  Who cares?  Anyway, its  only loose change compared to the millions lost to  big businesses tax evasion. 

Naming them publicly, sure  it's no different to  someone in the paper for getting penalty points or  a speeding fine. It'll be  quickly forgotten about.  You'll be lighting the fire with  that  paper tomorrow

If it's so quickly forgotten about why bother to not name. Surely if it acts as some small disincentive it's worthwhile.

[David McKeown]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly4ev0p1ewo

Does no harm to name and shame, whether it makes much difference is another thing but anyone who does this then good enough for them, no sympathy.

I remember years ago seeing such cases in our local paper with offenders named.

Did not realise SF had instructed DfC back in 2020 not to publish names anymore, fail to see the reasoning / agenda behind this.

I don't get why some  are so interested  in who claimed what.  Who cares?  Anyway, its  only loose change compared to the millions lost to  big businesses tax evasion. 

Naming them publicly, sure  it's no different to  someone in the paper for getting penalty points or  a speeding fine. It'll be  quickly forgotten about.  You'll be lighting the fire with  that  paper tomorrow

I have no issue with this in general but I think the public also need to be educated that since the Genting casino's case you can effectively accidentally commit benefit fraud because of the complicated rules that exists.  Obviously there are people who have tried to defraud the system but I just worry that sometimes the nuance between those people and those who are confused by the system will be lost in the reporting.

[Tony Baloney]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly4ev0p1ewo

Does no harm to name and shame, whether it makes much difference is another thing but anyone who does this then good enough for them, no sympathy.

I remember years ago seeing such cases in our local paper with offenders named.

Did not realise SF had instructed DfC back in 2020 not to publish names anymore, fail to see the reasoning / agenda behind this.

I don't get why some  are so interested  in who claimed what.  Who cares?  Anyway, its  only loose change compared to the millions lost to  big businesses tax evasion. 

Naming them publicly, sure  it's no different to  someone in the paper for getting penalty points or  a speeding fine. It'll be  quickly forgotten about.  You'll be lighting the fire with  that  paper tomorrow

I have no issue with this in general but I think the public also need to be educated that since the Genting casino's case you can effectively accidentally commit benefit fraud because of the complicated rules that exists.  Obviously there are people who have tried to defraud the system but I just worry that sometimes the nuance between those people and those who are confused by the system will be lost in the reporting.

  come on David, you have been representing wrong 'uns for too long! I can imagine all the forms etc. aren't the easiest to navigate so people could get confused but surely there would be measures in place to resolve them and separate them from outright liars

[Orior]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly4ev0p1ewo

Does no harm to name and shame, whether it makes much difference is another thing but anyone who does this then good enough for them, no sympathy.

I remember years ago seeing such cases in our local paper with offenders named.

Did not realise SF had instructed DfC back in 2020 not to publish names anymore, fail to see the reasoning / agenda behind this.

I don't get why some  are so interested  in who claimed what.  Who cares?  Anyway, its  only loose change compared to the millions lost to  big businesses tax evasion. 

Naming them publicly, sure  it's no different to  someone in the paper for getting penalty points or  a speeding fine. It'll be  quickly forgotten about.  You'll be lighting the fire with  that  paper tomorrow

If it's so quickly forgotten about why bother to not name. Surely if it acts as some small disincentive it's worthwhile.

Social media means that naming frausters lasts a lot longer and can be disovered in seconds via a search.

In many cases shame is the biggest punishment.

[David McKeown]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly4ev0p1ewo

Does no harm to name and shame, whether it makes much difference is another thing but anyone who does this then good enough for them, no sympathy.

I remember years ago seeing such cases in our local paper with offenders named.

Did not realise SF had instructed DfC back in 2020 not to publish names anymore, fail to see the reasoning / agenda behind this.

I don't get why some  are so interested  in who claimed what.  Who cares?  Anyway, its  only loose change compared to the millions lost to  big businesses tax evasion. 

Naming them publicly, sure  it's no different to  someone in the paper for getting penalty points or  a speeding fine. It'll be  quickly forgotten about.  You'll be lighting the fire with  that  paper tomorrow

I have no issue with this in general but I think the public also need to be educated that since the Genting casino's case you can effectively accidentally commit benefit fraud because of the complicated rules that exists.  Obviously there are people who have tried to defraud the system but I just worry that sometimes the nuance between those people and those who are confused by the system will be lost in the reporting.

  come on David, you have been representing wrong 'uns for too long! I can imagine all the forms etc. aren't the easiest to navigate so people could get confused but surely there would be measures in place to resolve them and separate them from outright liars

No not really not since the Genting case (which is actually a case about Phil Ivey the poker player and baccarat).  I've represented plenty of both kinds and there's some who are confused by the forms but are still prosecuted.  Sometimes there's even involvement from benefits officials who get the thing wrong.  There's plenty who are wilfully dishonest as well and plenty who maybe didn't start out as dishonest but should have realised their errors.

I maybe effected by a case I did years ago that involved a women with a severe medical condition that left her bed ridden some days but perfectly fine on others. She was claiming at the time two benefits DLA and I cant remember which other one.  When she had good days she would inform the jobs and benefits office as required and then work making sure not to exceed 16 hours a week.  The office was only passing on the info on to one section that dealt with her that she could work and was working but didn't realise they had to inform the other section in the same building separately.  For a bizarre reason she ended up investigated and taken to the Crown Court.  Now she was acquitted but on the basis of irregularities in the investigation but I wouldn't have liked to have left that to a jury.  I always thought that case was unfair and its not usual but there's been similar ones since.

[BigGreenField]

A horrific policy, this is about pandering to peoples prejudices and from a supposedly Christian politician.

Marginal cases , folk incorrectly receiving benefits or making a mistake will carry this shame and perhaps not then claim for what they are owed, the fear and the cruelty of such a policy is the point. This group will get zero support to help them back to work it a better position. they will have a politicians boot on their head while being shouted at to get up. 

Repeat offenders will not give two hoots about being named and will wear it as a badge of honour.

We don't name people (in NI anyway) who don't pay tax correctly or deliberately are late paying tax , but they are the right sort under this minister.

If the same amount of effort went into hounding tax dodgers as is applied to benefit cheats we'd have enough taxes to fund paradise. I don't consider myself left wing however the lack of empathy every time this policy is raised would drive you to the PBP gang.

[AustinPowers]

Are people named  and shamed  like this in Britain? And if not, why  make an exception for NI? Aren't  all benefits a UK wide  thing?

Looks to me like it's Stormont  trying to look  like they're doing something.  Meanwhile , millions is squandered  by inept gombeens up on the hill. But don't focus on that,   look over there... johnny's  doing a  bit of  painting and decorating while claiming  the dole!

[Last Man]

Are people named  and shamed  like this in Britain? And if not, why  make an exception for NI? Aren't  all benefits a UK wide  thing?

Looks to me like it's Stormont  trying to look  like they're doing something.  Meanwhile , millions is squandered  by inept gombeens up on the hill. But don't focus on that,   look over there... johnny's  doing a  bit of  painting and decorating while claiming  the dole!

Blame the plebs and have us all at each others throats, classic political smokescreen.

[NAG1]

All learned from Trump.

Blame the migrants for taking your jobs and benefits and houses, while they carry out one of the biggest scams enriching the rich in the name of America First.

It's all the same play book.

[imtommygunn]

All bs. RHI, PPE and you name it are way bigger drains on the economy than this. The article on PPE about overspend on projects ond the PPE wastage of 96 million bigger problem than benefits fraud.

Sort out the bigger issues.

[LC]

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2025/0212/1496282-irish-based-meta-staff-told-of-job-cuts/

Send Zuckerburg in, Facebook looking to cut 5% of its lowest performing staff.

[imtommygunn]

the big players in the IT world all doing that now. Must have cost themselves too much in layoffs this last few years.