Lawless Republic

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Jell 0 Biafra

Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 02, 2024, 06:57:34 PM
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Quote from: NAG1 on July 02, 2024, 03:18:28 PMGenuinely what can they do with Belfast and Dublin?

Have any other cities turned around after becoming so run down and over run respectively?

I've heard that NYC was pretty bad in the late 70's and early 80's, what did they do to try and clean the place up?
Zero tolerance.

That was certainly what was said at the time.  The issue for that suggested solution is that crime went down all over the US at roughly the same time, it wasn't just the NYC zero tolerance (or "broken window" as it was called here) policy.  The Freakonomics book has a chapter on this and various suggested reasons as to why crime decreased when it did. 

David McKeown

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Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 02, 2024, 06:57:34 PM
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Quote from: NAG1 on July 02, 2024, 03:18:28 PMGenuinely what can they do with Belfast and Dublin?

Have any other cities turned around after becoming so run down and over run respectively?

I've heard that NYC was pretty bad in the late 70's and early 80's, what did they do to try and clean the place up?
Zero tolerance.
That and turned huge parts of Harlem, Bronx and areas into huge McDonalds-Disneyland stores tore all the character out of the place. Can't have it both ways I know.

Did you see how Harlem and the Bronx was in those days?

I was there 93, it wasn't pretty, place was falling apart in those areas.. character wasn't great in fairness
Aye was there early '90s as well. Last stop on the D train though I don't think that was South Bronx which was lot rougher. I know what your saying is just locals who would say was turned into a big commercial enterprise by Gialiana (Trump's mate).. souless €€€

Yeah, happening in lots of big cities around the world .. gentrification, but with regards to New York at the time the 3 strike rule brought lot of crime down..



Did it?  Its been a long time since I covered criminality but my memory is the 3 strike rule had little impact on overall crime levels
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J70

Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 02, 2024, 10:46:37 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 02, 2024, 06:57:34 PM
Quote from: clarshack on July 02, 2024, 03:29:01 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on July 02, 2024, 03:18:28 PMGenuinely what can they do with Belfast and Dublin?

Have any other cities turned around after becoming so run down and over run respectively?

I've heard that NYC was pretty bad in the late 70's and early 80's, what did they do to try and clean the place up?
Zero tolerance.

That was certainly what was said at the time.  The issue for that suggested solution is that crime went down all over the US at roughly the same time, it wasn't just the NYC zero tolerance (or "broken window" as it was called here) policy.  The Freakonomics book has a chapter on this and various suggested reasons as to why crime decreased when it did. 

Remember reading that years ago.

Think the authors put some of the change down to the lag effect of the banning of lead paint (which had been having a devastating effect on poor kids), as well as the legalization of abortion, both in the 70s.

David McKeown

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Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 02, 2024, 10:46:37 PM
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Quote from: clarshack on July 02, 2024, 03:29:01 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on July 02, 2024, 03:18:28 PMGenuinely what can they do with Belfast and Dublin?

Have any other cities turned around after becoming so run down and over run respectively?

I've heard that NYC was pretty bad in the late 70's and early 80's, what did they do to try and clean the place up?
Zero tolerance.

That was certainly what was said at the time.  The issue for that suggested solution is that crime went down all over the US at roughly the same time, it wasn't just the NYC zero tolerance (or "broken window" as it was called here) policy.  The Freakonomics book has a chapter on this and various suggested reasons as to why crime decreased when it did. 

Remember reading that years ago.

Think the authors put some of the change down to the lag effect of the banning of lead paint (which had been having a devastating effect on poor kids), as well as the legalization of abortion, both in the 70s.

From memory the opinion on the subject was very much divided.  Crime rates were falling before the introduction of three strike rules and some offences then began to fall dramatically but conversely others slowed or even increased.  I think the general consensus was that it probably had little overall impact but that it was very hard to tell because of the myriad of factors involved at the time.
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Milltown Row2

Would have been a mixture of things for sure.. the three strikes was possibly more of a media driven thing which got the headlines.

The police took a lot of flack at the time for being corrupt so the actual cleanup was across so many things
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

whitey

Quote from: J70 on July 03, 2024, 06:49:14 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 02, 2024, 10:46:37 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 02, 2024, 06:57:34 PM
Quote from: clarshack on July 02, 2024, 03:29:01 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on July 02, 2024, 03:18:28 PMGenuinely what can they do with Belfast and Dublin?

Have any other cities turned around after becoming so run down and over run respectively?

I've heard that NYC was pretty bad in the late 70's and early 80's, what did they do to try and clean the place up?
Zero tolerance.

That was certainly what was said at the time.  The issue for that suggested solution is that crime went down all over the US at roughly the same time, it wasn't just the NYC zero tolerance (or "broken window" as it was called here) policy.  The Freakonomics book has a chapter on this and various suggested reasons as to why crime decreased when it did. 

Remember reading that years ago.

Think the authors put some of the change down to the lag effect of the banning of lead paint (which had been having a devastating effect on poor kids), as well as the legalization of abortion, both in the 70s.

Yes-IIRC there was a perceived  "connection" between an increase in abortion (among the poor and minorities in general) and a decrease in crime.

A lot of this stuff is impossible to quantify though

Dag Dog

Since Covid a lot of city centres around the world have become zombie land.
WFH doesn't help, leaving less workers to eat and shop.
Retail is in trouble with online shopping.
Also, cities that have seen an influx of migrants with no accommodation, on top of a rising homelessness, leaves a lot of transients wandering around streets.


Rossfan

Play the game and play it fairly
Play the game like Dermot Earley.

Rossfan

Play the game and play it fairly
Play the game like Dermot Earley.

Truthsayer

One thread about that maggot is enough!

Banks of the Bann

Only 240k damages for being raped? Is that a joke?

Armagh18

Quote from: Banks of the Bann on November 22, 2024, 05:45:01 PMOnly 240k damages for being raped? Is that a joke?
Civil case not criminal.

Peanuts to that sc**bag.

APM

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Quote from: J70 on July 03, 2024, 06:49:14 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 02, 2024, 10:46:37 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on July 02, 2024, 06:57:34 PM
Quote from: clarshack on July 02, 2024, 03:29:01 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on July 02, 2024, 03:18:28 PMGenuinely what can they do with Belfast and Dublin?

Have any other cities turned around after becoming so run down and over run respectively?

I've heard that NYC was pretty bad in the late 70's and early 80's, what did they do to try and clean the place up?
Zero tolerance.

That was certainly what was said at the time.  The issue for that suggested solution is that crime went down all over the US at roughly the same time, it wasn't just the NYC zero tolerance (or "broken window" as it was called here) policy.  The Freakonomics book has a chapter on this and various suggested reasons as to why crime decreased when it did. 

Remember reading that years ago.

Think the authors put some of the change down to the lag effect of the banning of lead paint (which had been having a devastating effect on poor kids), as well as the legalization of abortion, both in the 70s.

Yes-IIRC there was a perceived  "connection" between an increase in abortion (among the poor and minorities in general) and a decrease in crime.

A lot of this stuff is impossible to quantify though

Some of that book was clever but it also seemed the authors were trying too hard to be clever and that particular chapter on linking reduced crime levels to Roe v Wade and unleaded petrol were a case in point.


LC

Lawless NI in a sense.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpql8n3plj8o

Safe to say the perpetrators (scumbags) would not have to worry about getting out of their bed this morning to go to their work.  In an ideal world if you are found guilty for such crimes or anything anti social you lose your benefits but to make sure you don't starve you get food stamps.  Also it is strike 1 in terms of the free tax payers house they are living in, once you reach strike 3, your on your own.

There seems to be absolutely no consequences for the pond life that exists in today's society.