Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022

[theskull1]

A lecture from University of Chicago Professor John Mearsheimer from 2015

Worthy of a listen

[bennydorano]

See Russia didn't even try to hide its meddling the Moldovan EU accession referendum. Agents caught in airports with suitcases full of cash for bribes among others
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-slams-unprecedented-interference-by-russia-moldova-referendum-2024-10-21/

[theskull1]

Brave German Journalist EXPOSES Ukraine/NATO War Lies.

Put your current beliefs on this conflict to the test by also giving this talk a listen to. There are other perspectives out there worthy of at least hearing. 

[Banks of the Bann]

Brave German Journalist EXPOSES Ukraine/NATO War Lies.

Put your current beliefs on this conflict to the test by also giving this talk a listen to. There are other perspectives out there worthy of at least hearing. 

I will have a listen to Ms Krone-Schmalz and I will give you an appraisal.

As for Meirsheimer, no. His nonsense has been debunked time and time again. Not that it makes a difference to the true believers.

Ask yourself the same question Skull, have you ever put your current beliefs to one side? Questioned anything you see in one of these talks? Have you ever stopped to think, is this true? Have you ever paused the video to fact check something? Look up a document or a reference?

Can you post me a single video from youtube or elsewhere of a talk or lecture that you have listened to that is of the duration of at least 1 hour that is from a pro-Ukrainian point of view?

[theskull1]

As for Meirsheimer, no. His nonsense has been debunked time and time again. Not that it makes a difference to the true believers.

Do me a favour ... just listen to two minutes starting from 43:39. I think that alone will blow that claim out of the water. Remember this from 2015

Can you post me a single video from youtube or elsewhere of a talk or lecture that you have listened to that is of the duration of at least 1 hour that is from a pro-Ukrainian point of view?

I trust that you already know how polarized a country Ukraine is, and then there is the corruption (as there is in Russia)? Can you point me to unbiased source that paints a different picture? 

[Banks of the Bann]

As for Meirsheimer, no. His nonsense has been debunked time and time again. Not that it makes a difference to the true believers.

Do me a favour ... just listen to two minutes starting from 43:39. I think that alone will blow that claim out of the water. Remember this from 2015

Can you post me a single video from youtube or elsewhere of a talk or lecture that you have listened to that is of the duration of at least 1 hour that is from a pro-Ukrainian point of view?

I trust that you already know how polarized a country Ukraine is, and then there is the corruption (as there is in Russia)? Can you point me to unbiased source that paints a different picture? 

I might watch your 2 min clip. I doubt there is anything I haven't heard before. I'm currently 10 mins into the other one. I'm only watching it cause I haven't seen her before. She spoke for 10 mins without saying anything much, maybe a bit of whining about poor old Russia (the Russian Empire that is, coloniser, prison of nations).

Can I discern from your waffling about polarisation and corruption and unbiased sources, that you (Question Everyting, park your confirmed beliefs) have never once watched a lecture from a pro-Ukrainian position? Not even one?

[Banks of the Bann]

Brave German Journalist EXPOSES Ukraine/NATO War Lies.

Put your current beliefs on this conflict to the test by also giving this talk a listen to. There are other perspectives out there worthy of at least hearing. 

First 10 mins..

0-3 mins - waffle.

3-5 mins  - 'this all begins with the dissolution of the Soviet Union'.

No it doesn't Ms. Krone-Schmalz. Nations have been struggling for freedom from Russian imperialism for centuries.

5.20 - She mentions Russia's size.

How did Russia get so big? Here is a clue. It is an Empire. Calling Siberia, Russia is like calling Algeria, France. Westerners are blinded by this because there is no sea in between them.

6.33 - Complaining now that all of the crimes of the Soviet Union have been blamed on Russia but not any of the other states.

The USSR was decentralized but Moscow ruled the roost. You can't run from that Ms. Krone-Schmalz. Does she want to blame Ukraine, Lithuania or Kyrgyrstan or one of the others? She didn't say.

06.51 'Stalin is seen as a Russian, not a Georgian'

Everyone knows Stalin was a Georgian.

07-08 mins Whining and blaming the west for the state of Russia under Yeltsin.
8:27 Somehow blaming the west for Yeltsin shelling the Russian parliament.

Starting to see a pattern here. This is something victims of Russia always talk about. How it is never Russia's fault when they come to murder you.

08:38 – 1000 "In this chaos, in these criminal structures, Putin came just in time, a young, healthy, athletic man..." 

Vomit inducing Putin love in for a few mins.

Is there actually anything interesting in the rest of this Skull? Did you even watch it yourself? Is this a prank?

[trueblue1234]

As for Meirsheimer, no. His nonsense has been debunked time and time again. Not that it makes a difference to the true believers.

Do me a favour ... just listen to two minutes starting from 43:39. I think that alone will blow that claim out of the water. Remember this from 2015

Can you post me a single video from youtube or elsewhere of a talk or lecture that you have listened to that is of the duration of at least 1 hour that is from a pro-Ukrainian point of view?

I trust that you already know how polarized a country Ukraine is, and then there is the corruption (as there is in Russia)? Can you point me to unbiased source that paints a different picture? 

I watched the two minutes. Nothing there that you haven't already posted. Stop fighting Russia, stay clear of NATO. Struggled to keep watching after the "Putin has thuggish tendencies" bit.

[Banks of the Bann]

Brave German Journalist EXPOSES Ukraine/NATO War Lies.

Put your current beliefs on this conflict to the test by also giving this talk a listen to. There are other perspectives out there worthy of at least hearing. 

First 10 mins..

0-3 mins - waffle.

3-5 mins  - 'this all begins with the dissolution of the Soviet Union'.

No it doesn't Ms. Krone-Schmalz. Nations have been struggling for freedom from Russian imperialism for centuries.

5.20 - She mentions Russia's size.

How did Russia get so big? Here is a clue. It is an Empire. Calling Siberia, Russia is like calling Algeria, France. Westerners are blinded by this because there is no sea in between them.

6.33 - Complaining now that all of the crimes of the Soviet Union have been blamed on Russia but not any of the other states.

The USSR was decentralized but Moscow ruled the roost. You can't run from that Ms. Krone-Schmalz. Does she want to blame Ukraine, Lithuania or Kyrgyrstan or one of the others? She didn't say.

06.51 'Stalin is seen as a Russian, not a Georgian'

Everyone knows Stalin was a Georgian.

07-08 mins Whining and blaming the west for the state of Russia under Yeltsin.
8:27 Somehow blaming the west for Yeltsin shelling the Russian parliament.

Starting to see a pattern here. This is something victims of Russia always talk about. How it is never Russia's fault when they come to murder you.

08:38 – 1000 "In this chaos, in these criminal structures, Putin came just in time, a young, healthy, athletic man..." 

Vomit inducing Putin love in for a few mins.

Is there actually anything interesting in the rest of this Skull? Did you even watch it yourself? Is this a prank?

10-20 mins.
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09.40 Putin resigned from KGB service on the 2nd day of the 1991 attempted coup. So he says anyway. We believe you Vladimir.

11.31 'Explaining is not the same as justifying' - at least we now know where Skull gets his language for genocide apologia from.

Ms Krone-Schmalz is also trying to excuse her justification with this nonsense. Totally shameless.

NO MENTION OF APARTMENT BOMBINGS IN RUSSIA AND THE SUBSEQUENT WAR WAGED ON ICHKERIA as part of the young, healthy, athletic man's rise to power.

11.10 - 1440 waffle

1440 On to NATO. Mentions dissolution of the Warsaw Pact - the only security alliance to invade itself in the history of mankind. Countries joined NATO willingly, Warsaw Pact, not so much.

15.24 NATO - Merishaimer-esque waffle.

NATO only expanded eastwards because democratically elected sovereign governments, formally under Russian subjugation and occupation, applied to join asap. Very wise if you live in Russia's 'neighbourhood'. No mention of the concerns of these counties from Ms. Krone-Schmalz. For her, for Meirsheimer, for Skull, they don't count.

15.30-40 Round of applause from true believers.

16.20 George Kennan opposed NATO expansion so he must be correct. Everyone else's opinion on the subject must be wrong, including the countries that wanted to join NATO. Russia's opinion on the matter also supersedes everyone else obviously.

17.40 Again she mentions how huge Russia is. Can any of the anti-imperialists on the board explain how it got so big?

17.50 She again appears to think Russia's 'security' supersedes the rights of all it's neighbours.

18.12 We should not forget Russia's 'historically developed fears' - followed by more poor Russia (that's the Russian Empire that is, coloniser, prison of nations).

19.00 Sneaky Poland tried to take advantage of poor Russia at end of WW1. Stole some territory that apparently was the territory that Stalin 'reclaimed' in 1939 when poor Russia was forced into the Nazi-Soviet Pact and started WW2 by invading Poland with their mates, the Nazis.

Forgets to mention the 'unimaginable cruelty' involved in murdering £25k Polish Army officers. When the Nazis accuse you of war crimes you need to have a look in the mirror.

19.21 Mentions the 'unimaginable cruelty' inflicted on poor Russia in 1941 when the Nazis double crossed their ally Russia and invaded the Soviet Union. Forgets it was Belarus and Ukraine that took the brunt of the invasion.

19.40-20.00 Goes far back to Napoleon and the fears of Russia again. No mention of the fears of the genocided people inside the Russian Empire in the 19th Century, e.g. the Circassians.

The whole thing is nothing more than cherry-picked pro-Russian 'poor Russia' waffle so far.

Conclusion so far: Having the hairdo of an owl does not make one wise.

[armaghniac]

German approach to Russia and Isreal, we were hard on these guys in 1941 so let them have their fun with their neighbours in 2024.

[bennydorano]

Georgia election: calls for protests as ruling pro-Russia party declared winner https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/27/georgia-election-calls-for-protests-as-ruling-pro-russia-party-declared-winner?CMP=share_btn_url

[theskull1]

Many will keep waving the yellow and blue flag as hundreds of thousands fight and die for a US created cause.

Others see it for what it is.


The Ukraine war explained. F++k the US government.

[Milltown Row2]

Do you blame American for all the proxy wars or does it take two to tango?

[Banks of the Bann]

Many will keep waving the yellow and blue flag as hundreds of thousands fight and die for a US created cause.

Others see it for what it is.


The Ukraine war explained. F++k the US government.

We've seen it all before from you Skull.

Debunk every single thing Jeffrey Sachs says and it wouldn't make a dent on your ideology.

You'll just wait another few weeks and then repost the  same drivel from someone else.

And save your crocodile tears - you're fooling no-one.

[Banks of the Bann]

Do you blame American for all the proxy wars or does it take two to tango?

I believe anti-imperialist Skull described Ukraine's centuries long struggle against Russian imperialism as 'irrelevant' because it doesn't chime with his anti-western ideology.

Ukraine and Ukrainians don't matter to him.