Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022

[Wildweasel74]

Burdizzo be called abit of a commie bck in the day.

[Main Street]

For those in the know about the Kremlin's threat to censure You Tube

[Sportacus]

Ukraine continues to push into Russia.  It's a gutsy gamble.  I've a feeling one day they'll make Belarus pay very heavily for facilitating the Russians on their border.

[From the Bunker]

Ukraine continues to push into Russia.  It's a gutsy gamble.  I've a feeling one day they'll make Belarus pay very heavily for facilitating the Russians on their border.

I have no such feeling. Ukraine will be lucky if they see this out with a small loss of Territory.

[marty34]

Ukraine continues to push into Russia.  It's a gutsy gamble.  I've a feeling one day they'll make Belarus pay very heavily for facilitating the Russians on their border.

I have no such feeling. Ukraine will be lucky if they see this out with a small loss of Territory.

What is Ukraine's long-term plan?

Are they trying to take part of Russia or what?

[Sportacus]

Ukraine continues to push into Russia.  It's a gutsy gamble.  I've a feeling one day they'll make Belarus pay very heavily for facilitating the Russians on their border.

I have no such feeling. Ukraine will be lucky if they see this out with a small loss of Territory.

What is Ukraine's long-term plan?

Are they trying to take part of Russia or what?

I wouldn't think so, but they're trying to rattle Russia, weaken Putin, perk up morale and give themselves something to bargain with. Hard to tell if it's desperation or very shrewd.

[From the Bunker]

Ukraine continues to push into Russia.  It's a gutsy gamble.  I've a feeling one day they'll make Belarus pay very heavily for facilitating the Russians on their border.

I have no such feeling. Ukraine will be lucky if they see this out with a small loss of Territory.

What is Ukraine's long-term plan?

Are they trying to take part of Russia or what?

I guess they are making Russian Civilian aware there is a war. It's all well and good for the Russian public if casualties are happening in Ukraine. If it's happening closer to home the attitude may be different.

[seafoid]

Ukraine continues to push into Russia.  It's a gutsy gamble.  I've a feeling one day they'll make Belarus pay very heavily for facilitating the Russians on their border.

I have no such feeling. Ukraine will be lucky if they see this out with a small loss of Territory.

Buffer zone. They also want to divert Russians from  Donestsk but that hasn't happened so far.

What is Ukraine's long-term plan?

Are they trying to take part of Russia or what?

[seafoid]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/21/ukraine-drone-strike-moscow-putin-russia-oligarchs-war/
Now that Ukrainian forces hold more than 1,250 square kilometres of Russian territory – a psychologically damaging situation which has not occurred since the Second World War – Putin's worries will only have been magnified by successful drone strikes overnight and this morning on Moscow itself.
In a rare admission of failure, Russian authorities confirmed that Ukraine launched over 45 separate drone sorties into Russian territory over the early hours of Wednesday. These, crucially, included at least 11 drone strikes on Moscow. This was one of the largest drone strikes on the capital since Russia widened its war on Ukraine in February 2022.
Today's strike is on a par with the May 2023 attack, when at least eight drones were destroyed over the capital in an attack that Putin said was Kyiv's attempt to 'scare and provoke' Russia. Quite how Ukraine can further provoke a country which has invaded it, occupies around 18 per cent of its territory, and has committed war crimes including the forced deportation of children into Russia, is a mystery.
But Ukraine most certainly has scared the Russian population. This is a very smart tactic by the Ukrainians, who  increasingly overcome their disadvantages in manpower and conventional munitions by exploiting gaps in Russian defences.
Today's drone operations resulted in all three of Moscow's major airports shutting down, causing widespread travel disruption. Wealthy Muscovites far removed from the carnage and brutality of the Donbas woke up this morning to a real bombardment, and the terrifying noises and experiences of air defences shooting down drones over their leafy capital.

[armaghniac]

The Ukrainians will capture more of Kursk around their border, the area between the bridge they blew up and the border is a certainty. If they then stop at these natural obstacles then they will have an easily defended border where the Russians cannot easily attack them.

In Kursk the Ukrainians have been able to use aircraft, as there is little in the way of air defence. The Russians concentrated their air defences in the Donbas, but their problem now is that the Ukrainians are striking targets all over the place and some air defence will have to moved to defend these locations. The Russians are losing expensive air defence kit at a faster rate than they can replace it, and without it the drones can strike targets that Russia thought invulnerable. If the West can keep supply Ukraine with air defence kit then the Russians are in some difficulty. They have relied on aerial bombs to pound the Ukrainian defences, but the Ukrainians may eventually get organised to shoot down the aircraft that these bombs come from. In this case the Russians are only left with meat waves of infantry with very high casualties. Eventually people in Russia are going to get tired of this approach.

[samuel maguire]

I am loving all this chat lads fair play to ya's. I am fascinated with the tactics behind war.
This might be a silly question but i will ask it anyway - Surly Russia could just bomb the fck out of Ukraine and end the war? How is a country the size of Ukraine putting up such a good fight and great resistance?

[armaghniac]

I am loving all this chat lads fair play to ya's. I am fascinated with the tactics behind war.
This might be a silly question but i will ask it anyway - Surly Russia could just bomb the fck out of Ukraine and end the war? How is a country the size of Ukraine putting up such a good fight and great resistance?

As I said, if the West provide Ukraine with air defence, Patriots and such like, then Russia cannot bomb the fck out of Ukraine.

[Wildweasel74]

I don't think people realise the size of Kursk, Germans didn't neither and they knew what they were doing. Long term they have to withdraw at some stage, as its to easy to be caught in a pincer movement.

[armaghniac]

I don't think people realise the size of Kursk, Germans didn't neither and they knew what they were doing. Long term they have to withdraw at some stage, as its to easy to be caught in a pincer movement.

If the Ukrainians move up to natural obstacles, such as the river where they blew the bridges, then they could have a line much easier to defend than the actual Russia-Ukraine border. 

[Wildweasel74]

What we call rivers here, like a stream to some of the wide rivers in that region.