Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022

[Horse Box]

Another Ukrainian happy to enlist in the Narco Fuhrer`s Army :

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/112050

Conscription squads send Ukrainian men into hiding

Will be the same in Ireland when EU coercion eventually breaks our neutrality status. Western elites are itching for a global conflict and they'll need cannon fodder commitments from all partners.
Irish Neutrality in a changing europe

Really don't get the anti-Ukraine sentiment among some board members. Conscription is and always has been a controversial topic in every war it has ever been used in (including WW2).

Russia uses conscription as well but I don't see any criticism of it on here. Also, one side is conscripting to invade and destroy another nation, the other side is conscripting to defend itself. Big difference. If Russia goes home, no more conscription or death for either side. Guess the playboy oligarchs and their families living luxurious lives in the west don't need to worry about it so much.

p.s. the BBC? Really guys? The MSM good enough for you when the storyline suits your preconceived worldview?

The difference is ukraine is using Press Gangs , picking people up of the streets and forcing them into Vans , taking them to recruitment centers against their will ! Plenty of videos of this going around .

[Gerard O’Neill]

Another Ukrainian happy to enlist in the Narco Fuhrer`s Army :

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/112050

Conscription squads send Ukrainian men into hiding

Will be the same in Ireland when EU coercion eventually breaks our neutrality status. Western elites are itching for a global conflict and they'll need cannon fodder commitments from all partners.
Irish Neutrality in a changing europe

Really don't get the anti-Ukraine sentiment among some board members. Conscription is and always has been a controversial topic in every war it has ever been used in (including WW2).

Russia uses conscription as well but I don't see any criticism of it on here. Also, one side is conscripting to invade and destroy another nation, the other side is conscripting to defend itself. Big difference. If Russia goes home, no more conscription or death for either side. Guess the playboy oligarchs and their families living luxurious lives in the west don't need to worry about it so much.

p.s. the BBC? Really guys? The MSM good enough for you when the storyline suits your preconceived worldview?

The difference is ukraine is using Press Gangs , picking people up of the streets and forcing them into Vans , taking them to recruitment centers against their will ! Plenty of videos of this going around .

Yes, plenty of zero context videos going round of unidentified persons pulling unidentified persons into vans with zero context or proof. In each case, you, the viewer, have no idea:

1. Where the video was taken.
2. When the video was taken.
3. Who the persons doing the pulling are.
4. Who the person being pulled is.
5. Why they are being pulled into the van.

All you've got is some grainy clip, that for all you know could be in Russia, because you're relying on the Russian propagandist's word that it's in Ukraine. The truth is, you haven't a clue. You believe it because you want to.

Russia has used press gangs since their mobilisation began. They have also disproportionally used ethnic minorities from the most impoverished regions of the Russian Empire. Those are the Buryats etc. that make up the majority of the cargo 200s. They have also emptied their prisons and sent the worst sort of scum to Ukraine. I dread to think what is happening in the occupied territories with the rapists and serial killers in uniform there.

So the actual difference, as I previously stated, is that Ukraine is using conscription to defend itself from annihilation, Russia is using conscription to attempt genocide in Ukraine. Big difference.

[armaghniac]

Will be the same in Ireland when EU coercion eventually breaks our neutrality status. Western elites are itching for a global conflict and they'll need cannon fodder commitments from all partners.
Irish Neutrality in a changing europe

So you do not think that there should be conscription if Ireland is invaded by Russia?

        Christ what Planet are you living on          ? I`m sure Ireland is a prime target for Russia         

No, But Ukraine is a prime target for Russia.

[theskull1]

So you support the US led coup in 2014, empathize with the pro Ukrainian side in regard to the 8 years unrest in the
Russian speaking east and finally see it as totally normal for NATO to be performing military exercises in 2021 ..... and this in one of the most corrupt countries on the planet heavily funded dubiously for all these years by the US.

No one needs to be pro Russian to see the willful blindness in anyone holding these positions. This isn't an either/or thing. Geo political chess pieces are on the move and the US is doing most of the goading with the EU elites in lock step. If this conflict gets out of hand, it will go global (more than likely in that event will go nuclear) and Irelands sons and daughters will be needed then. The lack of good faith diplomatic efforts (only forced conscription and funding for more weapons) should be raising alarm bells for everyone.       

[Milltown Row2]

So you support the US led coup in 2014, empathize with the pro Ukrainian side in regard to the 8 years unrest in the
Russian speaking east and finally see it as totally normal for NATO to be performing military exercises in 2021 ..... and this in one of the most corrupt countries on the planet heavily funded dubiously for all these years by the US.

No one needs to be pro Russian to see the willful blindness in anyone holding these positions. This isn't an either/or thing. Geo political chess pieces are on the move and the US is doing most of the goading with the EU elites in lock step. If this conflict gets out of hand, it will go global (more than likely in that event will go nuclear) and Irelands sons and daughters will be needed then. The lack of good faith diplomatic efforts (only forced conscription and funding for more weapons) should be raising alarm bells for everyone.       

Do you think Hitler was right to take over the Sudetenland from the Czech's or Annex German speaking Austria?

[armaghniac]

So you support the US led coup in 2014, empathize with the pro Ukrainian side in regard to the 8 years unrest in the
Russian speaking east and finally see it as totally normal for NATO to be performing military exercises in 2021 ..... and this in one of the most corrupt countries on the planet heavily funded dubiously for all these years by the US.

No one needs to be pro Russian to see the willful blindness in anyone holding these positions. This isn't an either/or thing. Geo political chess pieces are on the move and the US is doing most of the goading with the EU elites in lock step. If this conflict gets out of hand, it will go global (more than likely in that event will go nuclear) and Irelands sons and daughters will be needed then. The lack of good faith diplomatic efforts (only forced conscription and funding for more weapons) should be raising alarm bells for everyone.       

Do you think Hitler was right to take over the Sudetenland from the Czech's or Annex German speaking Austria?

No doubt he also thinks that it is fine for Britain to reinvade Ireland as we speak English or Spain to reconquer South America.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

So you support the US led coup in 2014, empathize with the pro Ukrainian side in regard to the 8 years unrest in the
Russian speaking east and finally see it as totally normal for NATO to be performing military exercises in 2021 ..... and this in one of the most corrupt countries on the planet heavily funded dubiously for all these years by the US.

No one needs to be pro Russian to see the willful blindness in anyone holding these positions. This isn't an either/or thing. Geo political chess pieces are on the move and the US is doing most of the goading with the EU elites in lock step. If this conflict gets out of hand, it will go global (more than likely in that event will go nuclear) and Irelands sons and daughters will be needed then. The lack of good faith diplomatic efforts (only forced conscription and funding for more weapons) should be raising alarm bells for everyone.       

Do you think Hitler was right to take over the Sudetenland from the Czech's or Annex German speaking Austria?

No doubt he also thinks that it is fine for Britain to reinvade Ireland as we speak English or Spain to reconquer South America.

You may think that theskull holds those views and maybe he does but the quoted post does not say he thinks or supports the Russian invasion and occupation of Ukraine.

[Gerard O’Neill]

So you support the US led coup in 2014, empathize with the pro Ukrainian side in regard to the 8 years unrest in the
Russian speaking east and finally see it as totally normal for NATO to be performing military exercises in 2021 ..... and this in one of the most corrupt countries on the planet heavily funded dubiously for all these years by the US.

No one needs to be pro Russian to see the willful blindness in anyone holding these positions. This isn't an either/or thing. Geo political chess pieces are on the move and the US is doing most of the goading with the EU elites in lock step. If this conflict gets out of hand, it will go global (more than likely in that event will go nuclear) and Irelands sons and daughters will be needed then. The lack of good faith diplomatic efforts (only forced conscription and funding for more weapons) should be raising alarm bells for everyone.     

It's hard to believe that people still hold these beliefs 10 years after Russia invaded Ukraine.

First of all there wasn't a coup in Ukraine. I find remarkable that you complain about corruption in Ukraine but slander the hundreds of thousands of ordinary Ukrainians who put their lives on the line protesting against the most corrupt president in Ukraine's history who is estimated to have stolen up to $100Bn of the country's reserves.

Yes, there was corruption in Ukraine and still is. It's the legacy of the collapse of the USSR. The difference between Ukraine and Russia is that Ukraine is trying to root out corruption and Russia is more or less a mafia state with a mafia Don sitting on top. The Ukraine-EU Association Agreement that was never implemented would also have required Ukraine to 'clean up' it's act.

As for the agreement, Yanukovich ran his election campaigning on the basis he would move Ukraine closer to the EU. He negotiated the Ukraine EU Association Agreement with the EU. The Ukrainian parliament ratified the agreement. Yanukovich travelled to Vilnius to sign the agreement...and then announced he won't sign it and is going to sign agreement with the mafia state next door instead. And you wonder why students who saw their future disappearing in front of their very eyes came out to protest.

Yanukovych set the Berkut on those students and the rest is history. Btw, I can preempt the rest:

1.The US was co-guarantor of Ukraine's sovereignty (Budapest Memorandum) and had every right to be involved in negotiations between the protestors and Yanukovych.
2. Sandwiches don't mean the CIA was involved.
3. Nuland was talking about who the US would prefer to be Prime Minister (for longevity and stability) alongside Yanukovych, in a deal Yanukovych himself brokered.
4. Yanukovych was impeached by the Ukrainian parliament.
5. Yanikovych was still president when he chose to run back to his master.
6. Look up the definition of a coup.

Happy to debate anything above with you.

Oh almost forgot, if you knew anything about Ukraine or had ever travelled there or spoken to a Ukrainian you would know that speaking the Russian language is not a marker for national or ethnic identity. (see also Ireland).

[theskull1]

Walk through the scenario of senior Russian politicians handing out food on Jan 6th .... "wasn't a coup" 

The US have no issue supporting despotic regimes as long as they're in alignment with their strategic goals so lets not infer that America is motivated by "protecting democracy". It's not unreasonable to suggest as you say that Russia plays the same game. Ukraine is the chessboard and Ukrainian/Russian soldiers are the pawns for what ultimately is a US proxy war with Russia. We are living in an ugly world.

[Gerard O’Neill]

Walk through the scenario of senior Russian politicians handing out food on Jan 6th .... "wasn't a coup" 

The US have no issue supporting despotic regimes as long as they're in alignment with their strategic goals so lets not infer that America is motivated by "protecting democracy". It's not unreasonable to suggest as you say that Russia plays the same game. Ukraine is the chessboard and Ukrainian/Russian soldiers are the pawns for what ultimately is a US proxy war with Russia. We are living in an ugly world.

Of all the (incorrect) arguments I've seen people make towards the (incorrect) coup hypothesis, handing out sandwiches to protestors as proof of a coup is the most bizarre take I think I've heard. Seriously.

Do you have any evidence of this coup, other than 'sandwiches'?

As usual westerners completely and arrogantly dismiss the opinions and aspirations of Ukrainians. The US/CIA does not have the power to make hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians take to the streets.

[Milltown Row2]

If we stick to the main topic.. Why did Russia invade another country?

What reason did they give?

Putin espoused irredentist views challenging Ukraine's right to exist, and falsely claimed that Ukraine was governed by neo-Nazis persecuting the Russian minority. He said his goal was to "demilitarise and denazify" Ukraine..

Is this true?

[armaghniac]

Walk through the scenario of senior Russian politicians handing out food on Jan 6th .... "wasn't a coup" 

The US have no issue supporting despotic regimes as long as they're in alignment with their strategic goals so lets not infer that America is motivated by "protecting democracy". It's not unreasonable to suggest as you say that Russia plays the same game. Ukraine is the chessboard and Ukrainian/Russian soldiers are the pawns for what ultimately is a US proxy war with Russia. We are living in an ugly world.

What does the US support for despotic regimes have to do with Ukraine, which is not a despotic regime?
You might as well say that the GFA is evil because the US supports it and they support despotic regimes.

[Horse Box]

Another Ukrainian happy to enlist in the Narco Fuhrer`s Army :

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/112050

Conscription squads send Ukrainian men into hiding

Will be the same in Ireland when EU coercion eventually breaks our neutrality status. Western elites are itching for a global conflict and they'll need cannon fodder commitments from all partners.
Irish Neutrality in a changing europe

Really don't get the anti-Ukraine sentiment among some board members. Conscription is and always has been a controversial topic in every war it has ever been used in (including WW2).

Russia uses conscription as well but I don't see any criticism of it on here. Also, one side is conscripting to invade and destroy another nation, the other side is conscripting to defend itself. Big difference. If Russia goes home, no more conscription or death for either side. Guess the playboy oligarchs and their families living luxurious lives in the west don't need to worry about it so much.

p.s. the BBC? Really guys? The MSM good enough for you when the storyline suits your preconceived worldview?

The difference is ukraine is using Press Gangs , picking people up of the streets and forcing them into Vans , taking them to recruitment centers against their will ! Plenty of videos of this going around .

Yes, plenty of zero context videos going round of unidentified persons pulling unidentified persons into vans with zero context or proof. In each case, you, the viewer, have no idea:

1. Where the video was taken.
2. When the video was taken.
3. Who the persons doing the pulling are.
4. Who the person being pulled is.
5. Why they are being pulled into the van.

All you've got is some grainy clip, that for all you know could be in Russia, because you're relying on the Russian propagandist's word that it's in Ukraine. The truth is, you haven't a clue. You believe it because you want to.

Russia has used press gangs since their mobilisation began. They have also disproportionally used ethnic minorities from the most impoverished regions of the Russian Empire. Those are the Buryats etc. that make up the majority of the cargo 200s. They have also emptied their prisons and sent the worst sort of scum to Ukraine. I dread to think what is happening in the occupied territories with the rapists and serial killers in uniform there.

So the actual difference, as I previously stated, is that Ukraine is using conscription to defend itself from annihilation, Russia is using conscription to attempt genocide in Ukraine. Big difference.

Street Names , Business names , Accents and of course Geo Location will tell you where the thuggery has taken place and it is done by recruitment officers .

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/ukraine-needs-soldiers-fight-russia-men-dodging-draft-zelenskyy-rcna152121

[Gerard O’Neill]

Another Ukrainian happy to enlist in the Narco Fuhrer`s Army :

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/112050

Conscription squads send Ukrainian men into hiding

Will be the same in Ireland when EU coercion eventually breaks our neutrality status. Western elites are itching for a global conflict and they'll need cannon fodder commitments from all partners.
Irish Neutrality in a changing europe

Really don't get the anti-Ukraine sentiment among some board members. Conscription is and always has been a controversial topic in every war it has ever been used in (including WW2).

Russia uses conscription as well but I don't see any criticism of it on here. Also, one side is conscripting to invade and destroy another nation, the other side is conscripting to defend itself. Big difference. If Russia goes home, no more conscription or death for either side. Guess the playboy oligarchs and their families living luxurious lives in the west don't need to worry about it so much.

p.s. the BBC? Really guys? The MSM good enough for you when the storyline suits your preconceived worldview?

The difference is ukraine is using Press Gangs , picking people up of the streets and forcing them into Vans , taking them to recruitment centers against their will ! Plenty of videos of this going around .

Yes, plenty of zero context videos going round of unidentified persons pulling unidentified persons into vans with zero context or proof. In each case, you, the viewer, have no idea:

1. Where the video was taken.
2. When the video was taken.
3. Who the persons doing the pulling are.
4. Who the person being pulled is.
5. Why they are being pulled into the van.

All you've got is some grainy clip, that for all you know could be in Russia, because you're relying on the Russian propagandist's word that it's in Ukraine. The truth is, you haven't a clue. You believe it because you want to.

Russia has used press gangs since their mobilisation began. They have also disproportionally used ethnic minorities from the most impoverished regions of the Russian Empire. Those are the Buryats etc. that make up the majority of the cargo 200s. They have also emptied their prisons and sent the worst sort of scum to Ukraine. I dread to think what is happening in the occupied territories with the rapists and serial killers in uniform there.

So the actual difference, as I previously stated, is that Ukraine is using conscription to defend itself from annihilation, Russia is using conscription to attempt genocide in Ukraine. Big difference.

Street Names , Business names , Accents and of course Geo Location will tell you where the thuggery has taken place and it is done by recruitment officers .

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/ukraine-needs-soldiers-fight-russia-men-dodging-draft-zelenskyy-rcna152121

Your problem is that the Russian propaganda videos flying round Telegram and Twitter are very light on all of the above (zero) and very heavy on the trust me bro

The accounts peddling this type of nonsense are not some sophisticated OSInt operation, just regular disinformation channels churning out garbage. They know their audience aren't checking anyway.

[Gerard O’Neill]

Example no 1 from your good self:

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/111880

What is happening here? When was this video taken?

You don't know and you have no way of finding out but job done from the Russian propagandists point of view.

 A man takes a bike from a green van and cycles away. Women are standing there as well. That's it, that's the video .

It appears to be Ukraine because if it was in Russia the woman with the shopping  bag would probably be in mortal danger. That is, if video was taken after 2014, which is unconfirmed. Like every other claim in the description.