Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020

[High Fielder]

So there you go. You are living breathing proof that the wheel can't be reinvented. But yet you want others to have a go. It can't be done. There are too many benefitting (and yes I said benefitting) from the staleness. Eddie saw the lack of movement and got out. Sugrue did likewise, and you didn't last at it either. I mean this sincerely when I say fair play for giving it a go. I wouldn't have the patience

[clonadmad]

So there you go. You are living breathing proof that the wheel can't be reinvented. But yet you want others to have a go. It can't be done. There are too many benefitting (and yes I said benefitting) from the staleness. Eddie saw the lack of movement and got out. Sugrue did likewise, and you didn't last at it either. I mean this sincerely when I say fair play for giving it a go. I wouldn't have the patience

You missed my point

Me and I'm not saying I have any or all of the answers to solve it

But I do know sending  in well meaning people in one or two's as delegates won't sort it either as they will be picked off as well

Wholesale change is needed

Keyser mightn't like my analogy of a coup but that's what your looking at if you want to effect change in an 18 month timeframe

[blueandwhite1]

As in every other organization, it starts at the top. A progressive leader will bring progress. An unsuitable leader will defend the status quo and disenfranchise the progressives. The profile of our county board and the senior execs is wrong as in most counties. They are not hurling / football people as such but administrators. Unfortunately you don't see too many suitable folks putting their name forward. The likes of Niall Rigney, Pat Critchley, Cheddar and their football equivalents. I'll bet you would get far more ex-intercounty players involved in coaching and organizing if you had people like that in charge. Who would want to volunteer to help a county board that don't understand what it is like to train, manage or play at a high level for your club or county.

[Keyser Söze]

I didn't say ones or twos.
I suggested each club looks at who hey are sending as delegates.
I suggested some of these people organise themselves between and before meetings.
If something is important enough to raise it is surely possible to convince 5 or 6 other delegates beforehand to back you up etc.

It's a start.
It's also possible.

Good luck with the coup.

[clonadmad]

I didn't say ones or twos.
I suggested each club looks at who hey are sending as delegates.
I suggested some of these people organise themselves between and before meetings.
If something is important enough to raise it is surely possible to convince 5 or 6 other delegates beforehand to back you up etc.

It's a start.
It's also possible.

Good luck with the coup.

Youve been a club delegate then?

[Keyser Söze]

Youve been a club delegate then?

I haven't actually, but I have attended a number of the monthly meetings.

Have you been an InterCounty hurler?
Or manager?
Or a GDA?
Or a County Secretary?

Because if we are going on this basis, neither you nor I would have much to say on here.

[clonadmad]

Youve been a club delegate then?

I haven't actually, but I have attended a number of the monthly meetings.

Have you been an InterCounty hurler?
Or manager?
Or a GDA?
Or a County Secretary?

Because if we are going on this basis, neither you nor I would have much to say on here.

That's a first

Someone attending a monthly meeting and they not an appointed delegate

Do you raise any points,make any changes when you were there,any successes

Anyways

your suggestion of 5/6 delegates getting together to effect change before any monthly meeting is a little bit lacking in the reality of what happens

I've been part of a group who've tried to do that

You will be told

It's not on the agenda

It's not the right place

Your taking up valuable time

We will discuss it in committee

It's not relevant to the meeting at hand,we need to move on

We will discuss this at a later date

My point stands

If you want to effect change,you gut the top table,that's where the procrastination and inertia resides

down up change isn't an issue

As regards being a Gda or IC Hurler,I don't know what experience of any of these roles has anything  with the current discussion as regards the  lack of good governance within the county

[Keyser Söze]

Are you serious??? Not a first at all. Would make me wonder if you ever attended any yourself.

On your other point- Simple logic my friend.
I assume your point was that I couldn't comment on the role of a CB delegate if I hadn't ever been one?
Well I assume this extends to commentating on other areas?
Such as
The needs of an IC hurling set up
The merits of prospective coaches
The ability of CB officials
Etc etc.

Or does it only apply to commenting on CB delegates & monthly meetings? 

[Blow-in]

Has anyone checked on Clonadman?

[portlaoisekid]

Has anyone checked on Clonadman?

last seen seeking ointment for a bad burn...

[High Fielder]

I'll tell you where I am with this. Eddie Brennan is the best man right now for the Laois Senior Hurling job. No offence to some of the names being mentioned here, but I've never even heard of some of them. That's ok, I'm not a hurling man, and therefore I'm a little ignorant.

My point is this. Eddie Brennan and John Sugrue before him actually gave a f**k about Laois. We know this through what they said and what they did. If we couldn't give them what they wanted, we owed it to ourselves, if we believed in them and wanted to improve, to try and get them what they required. If that goes outside of the budget, then we fundraise or we turn to Laois Gaels.

I'll tell you what I see. I see a golf day and a day at Punchestown and an opportunity for all the hangers on to say aren't we great fellas, and meanwhile, what I really care about, our players, are going to be thrown to some mercenary either trying to make his name or a quick buck. Brennan and Sugrue wanted neither. They wanted commitment from their players, and in return, they would try their best to create the conditions around them to make them happy. Cheddar did the same out of his own pocket. These are people I will invest in every day of the week.

So to whatever Paddy Me Arse comes in next, good luck to you. Your first job will be to pick up the pieces. Great start. In an ideal world, you won't even get an interview, because the Laois CB will have done the right thing, gone back to Brennan, and say how can we make this work. You know like adults do when you fall out sometimes. Ha!

[Blow-in]

Brennan going to Cuala seemingly

[High Fielder]

If that's true Batman, that would just about say everything. A Dublin club with more resources available to them.

[clonadmad]

Are you serious??? Not a first at all. Would make me wonder if you ever attended any yourself.

On your other point- Simple logic my friend.
I assume your point was that I couldn't comment on the role of a CB delegate if I hadn't ever been one?
Well I assume this extends to commentating on other areas?
Such as
The needs of an IC hurling set up
The merits of prospective coaches
The ability of CB officials
Etc etc.

Or does it only apply to commenting on CB delegates & monthly meetings?

Is anyone stopping you from commenting on other topics

I'm not

I've spoken on all those topics also

I'll even give another one to discuss,

The current capacity of OMP is still,I think is  22,000,there was a couple of million euros  spent on it to get it up to 26,000 which would allow it to get slightly larger games,generate more money for both laois and businesses.

Back in 2018 Everything completed and all it needed to be done was the final walkthrough before it was signed off and the capacity increased.

A formality but a box that had to be ticked nonetheless

Various stakeholders present,but it was raining and the Chairman said there was no point in getting out of his car and they could come back and do it another day.

How did people hear about it ?

When it was brought up at a meeting 7/8 months later as to why we weren't getting games and being sent to the likes of kilkenny etc

The chair told that story himself

Laugh away lads but the laughs on us all

[Blow-in]

Can't beat some fake news on a Thursday morning. You've gone 360 now with your stories.