The Paudie O'Se Cup

[Rossfan]

So do ye want all 32 Counties in the one SHC?

[Muck Savage]

Let the Div 1 teams play in Super 8 but not their provincial championship
All other teams play in the provincial championship with the winners going on to play the Paudie cup semi and finals

[Bord na Mona man]

So do ye want all 32 Counties in the one SHC?

Every county should have the option of entering the Liam McCarthy Cup.
Correct seeding and preliminary rounds will screen out the better ones who are capable of taking on the current top tier counties.

Partitioning a championship because a few dickhead pundits can't be arsed doing their homework on weaker counties is not good enough reason for me.

[Rossfan]

You do realise there are 63 adult hurlers in Longford?
Can't be many more in Louth Cavan and 7 or  8 other Counties.
They have their Championships,  National Finals and  big cups and advancement to the next level when they win (except for Kildare).
I don't recall hearing any complaints from the Rackard/Meagher Counties or indeed some of the Ring ones either.

[Farrandeelin]

You do realise there are 63 adult hurlers in Longford?
Can't be many more in Louth Cavan and 7 or  8 other Counties.
They have their Championships,  National Finals and  big cups and advancement to the next level when they win (except for Kildare).
I don't recall hearing any complaints from the Rackard/Meagher Counties or indeed some of the Ring ones either.

How many of the lower tiered hurling counties take hurling as serious as football. I doubt there's many. Which is why people are so dead set against a tiered football championship.

[Rossfan]

There are 6 Hurling Counties and 2 real dual ones.
Laois/Offaly have some hurling territory.
After that football rules.

[trileacman]

There are 6 Hurling Counties and 2 real dual ones.
Laois/Offaly have some hurling territory.
After that football rules.

Dual - Galway and Cork?

The 6 counties I assume are tipp, Clare, limerick, Waterford, Wexford, Kilkenny.

It's even a stretch calling cork a dual county, football remains the poor relation there which is the defining characteristic of a hurling county.

[Bord na Mona man]

You do realise there are 63 adult hurlers in Longford?
Can't be many more in Louth Cavan and 7 or  8 other Counties.
They have their Championships,  National Finals and  big cups and advancement to the next level when they win (except for Kildare).
I don't recall hearing any complaints from the Rackard/Meagher Counties or indeed some of the Ring ones either.

The hurling system suits a large rump of counties who have little ambition to promote or improve at hurling.
They can hide in plan sight in the comfort of whatever tier they reside in.

[imtommygunn]

The christy ring was rubbish for years. The difference between best and worst was huge and the best teams sometimes got one good game max out of it so there were complaints for years. The way it was done this year was promising.

Football is becoming like hurling where the gap between top and bottom is huge.

[trailer]

Can someone point to a time when these smaller counties competed at the top level in Hurling. I never remember any Ulster county competing. The gap has always been there.
Same applies in Football. When did Wexford, Carlow, Wicklow, Antrim, Sligo etc every really compete?

It will all end in tears.

[Kuwabatake Sanjuro]

Can someone point to a time when these smaller counties competed at the top level in Hurling. I never remember any Ulster county competing. The gap has always been there.
Same applies in Football. When did Wexford, Carlow, Wicklow, Antrim, Sligo etc every really compete?

It will all end in tears.

Kildare in the mid to late 70s were a top 10 hurling team, never made the breakthrough Offaly subsequently did.

[imtommygunn]

Every now and again you got a shock in the football but never the hurling. Leitrim winning connacht, sligo winning connacht, clare munster, louth in all but name leinster. Never has that happened in the hurling. It is getting further away in the football.  The closest you get is roscommon who are the third best in connacht winning connacht but they aren't that far behind on a good day.

The effort required to be put in is too great and unsustainable.

[Bord na Mona man]

Can someone point to a time when these smaller counties competed at the top level in Hurling. I never remember any Ulster county competing. The gap has always been there.
Same applies in Football. When did Wexford, Carlow, Wicklow, Antrim, Sligo etc every really compete?

It will all end in tears.

In the colour television era, Kilkenny have won All Irelands with a population of less than 80k and Offaly with a population less than 60k.
Antrim got to an All Ireland final in 1989.

[trailer]

Can someone point to a time when these smaller counties competed at the top level in Hurling. I never remember any Ulster county competing. The gap has always been there.
Same applies in Football. When did Wexford, Carlow, Wicklow, Antrim, Sligo etc every really compete?

It will all end in tears.

In the colour television era, Kilkenny have won All Irelands with a population of less than 80k and Offaly with a population less than 60k.
Antrim got to an All Ireland final in 1989.

Mea Cupla. You're talking about population I was substituting smaller for weaker.

[Lar Naparka]

I think the provincial system model is an anachronism- a throwback to the days when the horse and cart were the principal modes of transport and the idea of Kerry playing Monaghan in Clones just couldn't happen without all concerned losing considerable amounts of money.THere certainly would not have been many Kerry supporters at the game.
The Ireland of today is far different to the Ireland of the 1880s when the GAA was founded and the provincial model is still firmly in place. Like many others, I think it should be changed to reflect the needs of present day Ireland.
Still, I can't see any change for the foreseeable future, tradition being what it is in the GAA mindset.
The Tommy Murphy competition is proof enough of this and here every county took part in the premier competition, bar Kilkenny,  before being knocked out in the early stages. At least each county involved were given status when the provincial championships began. They mightn't have a snowball's chance in Hell of getting near a provincial final but they weren't patronised either. I've made it my business for many years to sound out people from counties like Leitrim and Antrim, to name a couple and the reaction was predictable.

Unfortunately, I know John Hoban will be told to f**k off if he tries peddling a second rate competition to those who need it most.