Paddy Jackson apology

[Dire Ear]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-43737258
Paddy Jackson attempts to retrieve costs after acquittal

[seafoid]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/rugby-must-deal-with-derogatory-behaviour-rape-crisis-centre-1.3459365?mode=amp

Irish rugby has to deal with "disrespectful and derogatory" behaviour of role models if it wants to be seen as embodying the best spirit of Ireland, a leading rape campaigner has said.

Noeline Blackwell, chief executive of the Dublin Rape Crisis Centre, said it is a "shame and a pity" that some people are calling for an end to the continuing controversy over the rugby rape trial.

The human rights lawyer said there was a "whole lot of moral harm" that has yet to be addressed amid the fall-out from the high profile case and that a full examination was needed of the behaviour of role models.

"Here is the opportunity for all of us to grow a respect for each other, to build a better understanding of how young men talk about themselves and young women," she told RTÉ's Morning Ireland.

[Milltown Row2]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/rugby-must-deal-with-derogatory-behaviour-rape-crisis-centre-1.3459365?mode=amp

Irish rugby has to deal with "disrespectful and derogatory" behaviour of role models if it wants to be seen as embodying the best spirit of Ireland, a leading rape campaigner has said.

Noeline Blackwell, chief executive of the Dublin Rape Crisis Centre, said it is a "shame and a pity" that some people are calling for an end to the continuing controversy over the rugby rape trial.

The human rights lawyer said there was a "whole lot of moral harm" that has yet to be addressed amid the fall-out from the high profile case and that a full examination was needed of the behaviour of role models.

"Here is the opportunity for all of us to grow a respect for each other, to build a better understanding of how young men talk about themselves and young women," she told RTÉ's Morning Ireland.

I take it she hasnt watched the show EX on the Beach? Caught a glimpse of it the other day, the talk of the girls on that show would make your face turn red!! Never mind private messages this girl and the others were giving it large to a camera!!

[seafoid]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/rugby-must-deal-with-derogatory-behaviour-rape-crisis-centre-1.3459365?mode=amp

Irish rugby has to deal with "disrespectful and derogatory" behaviour of role models if it wants to be seen as embodying the best spirit of Ireland, a leading rape campaigner has said.

Noeline Blackwell, chief executive of the Dublin Rape Crisis Centre, said it is a "shame and a pity" that some people are calling for an end to the continuing controversy over the rugby rape trial.

The human rights lawyer said there was a "whole lot of moral harm" that has yet to be addressed amid the fall-out from the high profile case and that a full examination was needed of the behaviour of role models.

"Here is the opportunity for all of us to grow a respect for each other, to build a better understanding of how young men talk about themselves and young women," she told RTÉ's Morning Ireland.

I take it she hasnt watched the show EX on the Beach? Caught a glimpse of it the other day, the talk of the girls on that show would make your face turn red!! Never mind private messages this girl and the others were giving it large to a camera!!

Even if they were acquitted their behaviour was broadcast to everyone.
That is why the IRFU is in such a bind. Maybe other people are worse in private. That is private. The spit roasting is not.

[AQMP]

Bank of Ireland break cover make a statement - (my emphasis added):

"As a sponsor of Ulster Rugby, Bank of Ireland is highly concerned regarding the serious behaviour and conduct issues which have emerged as a result of the recent high profile trial.  The bank has formally conveyed these concerns to the CEO of Ulster Rugby.

It is of paramount importance to Bank of Ireland that our sponsorship activity aligns with and supports our core values, and reflects positively on Bank of Ireland through association.  We understand that an internal review is underway. We expect this review to be robust, to fully address the issues raised, and that decisions will be taken - and policies and protocols be put in place - that fully address the issues that have arisen.

Given that a review is underway, we won't comment further on this issue at this time."

[Milltown Row2]

Bank of Ireland break cover make a statement - (my emphasis added):

"As a sponsor of Ulster Rugby, Bank of Ireland is highly concerned regarding the serious behaviour and conduct issues which have emerged as a result of the recent high profile trial.  The bank has formally conveyed these concerns to the CEO of Ulster Rugby.

It is of paramount importance to Bank of Ireland that our sponsorship activity aligns with and supports our core values, and reflects positively on Bank of Ireland through association.  We understand that an internal review is underway. We expect this review to be robust, to fully address the issues raised, and that decisions will be taken - and policies and protocols be put in place - that fully address the issues that have arisen.

Given that a review is underway, we won't comment further on this issue at this time."

They should have applied those robust reviews a few years ago when the banks went tits up!

[seafoid]

Bank of Ireland break cover make a statement - (my emphasis added):

"As a sponsor of Ulster Rugby, Bank of Ireland is highly concerned regarding the serious behaviour and conduct issues which have emerged as a result of the recent high profile trial.  The bank has formally conveyed these concerns to the CEO of Ulster Rugby.

It is of paramount importance to Bank of Ireland that our sponsorship activity aligns with and supports our core values, and reflects positively on Bank of Ireland through association.  We understand that an internal review is underway. We expect this review to be robust, to fully address the issues raised, and that decisions will be taken - and policies and protocols be put in place - that fully address the issues that have arisen.

Given that a review is underway, we won't comment further on this issue at this time."

This and Sue me Paddy.
They won the case but they are losing the war 

[Milltown Row2]

https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/paddy-jackson-makes-bid-recover-14521826

Thought his legal bill was higher?

Was told £300,000, #dontbelieveeverythingyouhear

[Asal Mor]

Bank of Ireland break cover make a statement - (my emphasis added):

"As a sponsor of Ulster Rugby, Bank of Ireland is highly concerned regarding the serious behaviour and conduct issues which have emerged as a result of the recent high profile trial.  The bank has formally conveyed these concerns to the CEO of Ulster Rugby.

It is of paramount importance to Bank of Ireland that our sponsorship activity aligns with and supports our core values, and reflects positively on Bank of Ireland through association.  We understand that an internal review is underway. We expect this review to be robust, to fully address the issues raised, and that decisions will be taken - and policies and protocols be put in place - that fully address the issues that have arisen.

Given that a review is underway, we won't comment further on this issue at this time."

People who lost their homes in the tracker scandal might feel that the players' love of a good spit roast is the perfect reflection of the Bank's core values.

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https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/paddy-jackson-makes-bid-recover-14521826

Thought his legal bill was higher?

Was told £300,000, #dontbelieveeverythingyouhear

If it was only £100,000 he got a bargain (though it does say "over £100,000").  The trail alone lasted 42 days.

[Lar Naparka]

The jury believed there was consent..

There are none so blind as those who do not wish to see.

Not necessarily. The jury believed at a minimum that it was reasonable for the defendants to have believed there was consent.

The reality is that nobody still knows for definite what went on that night, and that possibly includes those involved! The recent reporting from the previously restricted part of the case does indicate the defendants and their legal teams were worried.

I guess that's fair enough, a bit convoluted alright but what you are saying has to be accepted as the outcome of the jury's deliberations.
Being pedantic, the jury did not state unequivocally that the complainant had not been gang raped in Jackson's bedroom but they didn't find that she wasn't either.
As I see it, the decision was that the prosecution had not proved its case. It failed to convince the jury that the complainants account of what happened in the room was true.
Forget about what the defence had to say; all of them could have decided not to take the stand if they so wished- it was up to the prosecution to prove its case beyond reasonable doubt.
It didn't come anywhere near doing do.
Dara Florence's version of what she saw in the bedroom flatly contradicted the complainant's version. The jury did not believe the complainant so where does that leave any reasonable person?
Can anyone make the case that the complainant was gang raped without giving the two-fingered salute to the findings of the court and the integrity of the judicial process?
(BTW, I wasn't too happy with the verdict, for what it's worth, but I accept the decision of the court. That's democracy for ya.)

[sid waddell]

Dara Florence's version of what she saw in the bedroom flatly contradicted the complainant's version.

It did no such thing.

It flatly contradicted Jackson.

If you believe Florence, you believe Jackson lied about having vaginal sex with the complainant.

[seafoid]

Dial a cab are also sponsors of Ulster rugby. Can't wait to hear from them.

Because the lads were acquitted did the  jury validate every single piece of their testimony, even all the contradictory stuff ?

[nrico2006]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/rugby-must-deal-with-derogatory-behaviour-rape-crisis-centre-1.3459365?mode=amp

Irish rugby has to deal with "disrespectful and derogatory" behaviour of role models if it wants to be seen as embodying the best spirit of Ireland, a leading rape campaigner has said.

Noeline Blackwell, chief executive of the Dublin Rape Crisis Centre, said it is a "shame and a pity" that some people are calling for an end to the continuing controversy over the rugby rape trial.

The human rights lawyer said there was a "whole lot of moral harm" that has yet to be addressed amid the fall-out from the high profile case and that a full examination was needed of the behaviour of role models.

"Here is the opportunity for all of us to grow a respect for each other, to build a better understanding of how young men talk about themselves and young women," she told RTÉ's Morning Ireland.

I take it she hasnt watched the show EX on the Beach? Caught a glimpse of it the other day, the talk of the girls on that show would make your face turn red!! Never mind private messages this girl and the others were giving it large to a camera!!

Even if they were acquitted their behaviour was broadcast to everyone.
That is why the IRFU is in such a bind. Maybe other people are worse in private. That is private. The spit roasting is not.

But the spit roasting did happen in a private residence and the messages were private too.  A false allegation has allowed everything to be made public.  Surely that is not the fault of Jackson etc and wouldn't break any morality clause in a contract?

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Dial a cab are also sponsors of Ulster rugby. Can't wait to hear from them.

Because the lads were acquitted did the  jury validate every single piece of their testimony, even all the contradictory stuff ?

I don't think we can say that they validated any or all of the defendants' evidence.  They didn't validate enough of the complainant's evidence to be sure beyond a reasonable doubt.