Derry Club Football & Hurling original

[Rawhide]

I think the lights still working Rawhide..but then again I ask myself the same question sometimes so who knows!

Re Conleth, I picked him out because I think he is destined to be one of the very best in a few short years. Coalisland and Kilcoo players speak exceptionally highly of him. Come back to me in three or four years and ask me if it's my light or yours that's not functioning. Learning off the master Mickey in 2019 and 2020 would leave him nicely primed to make the next step. But you'll need to be at the front of the queue, take that from me.

That maybe so, but coaching and managing are vastly different. Your talking about Coalisland and Kilcoo, he wasn't manager of either. We have had the recent experience of having a manger who hadn't taken a senior team, but had underage experience and that put us into D4, now you want us to speculate on someone who hasn't even managed. good grief.

[bannside]

Sometimes you need to be seeing the potential I'm people. I still think you'll look back in future years and say oul Bannside wasnt far off the mark. Park her up and let's see but if your looking for a Derryman who's played and coached at highest level and learned from the best, then that's your man. Sometimes things can be hidden in plain sight.

[restorepride]

Went to the game, not much to say that hasn't been said. I thought Gallagher's post match comments on social media summed up our performance. I read Bannside wants to give the job to Gilligan who hasn't managed one team and has rode on the coat tail of Moran as a coach, playing a style that is literally cut and paste with Kilcoo, in the event that Gallagher who has been in 5 of the last 7 Ulster finals as an intercounty manager, doesn't cut it in Derry. Is there a light on there at all BS.
The single outstanding thing for me from Saturdays game apart was the fat that I can't recall us kicking the ball a short 25m or long 40m pass into or scoring zone, not one attempt at the 'mark' pass in the entire match. I genuinely couldn't get over it

Agree totally with regard to the mark, seemed to be the only tactic that had any success v Donegal!

[tonesfirstandlast]

Went to the game, not much to say that hasn't been said. I thought Gallagher's post match comments on social media summed up our performance. I read Bannside wants to give the job to Gilligan who hasn't managed one team and has rode on the coat tail of Moran as a coach, playing a style that is literally cut and paste with Kilcoo, in the event that Gallagher who has been in 5 of the last 7 Ulster finals as an intercounty manager, doesn't cut it in Derry. Is there a light on there at all BS.
The single outstanding thing for me from Saturdays game apart was the fat that I can't recall us kicking the ball a short 25m or long 40m pass into or scoring zone, not one attempt at the 'mark' pass in the entire match. I genuinely couldn't get over it

If the mark or lack of it was the biggest problem Rawhide saw on Saturday night, it just goes to prove what we always thought. He hasn't a clue. The truth of the matter is that the county board and managers starting in 2008 has put the county in that big of a decline that Could be decades before we get out of it.
The only manager over the past 20 years that players and supporters bought into was Paddy Crozier

[tbrick18]

Went to the game, not much to say that hasn't been said. I thought Gallagher's post match comments on social media summed up our performance. I read Bannside wants to give the job to Gilligan who hasn't managed one team and has rode on the coat tail of Moran as a coach, playing a style that is literally cut and paste with Kilcoo, in the event that Gallagher who has been in 5 of the last 7 Ulster finals as an intercounty manager, doesn't cut it in Derry. Is there a light on there at all BS.
The single outstanding thing for me from Saturdays game apart was the fat that I can't recall us kicking the ball a short 25m or long 40m pass into or scoring zone, not one attempt at the 'mark' pass in the entire match. I genuinely couldn't get over it

If the mark or lack of it was the biggest problem Rawhide saw on Saturday night, it just goes to prove what we always thought. He hasn't a clue. The truth of the matter is that the county board and managers starting in 2008 has put the county in that big of a decline that Could be decades before we get out of it.
The only manager over the past 20 years that players and supporters bought into was Paddy Crozier

Not the case with supporters as I seem to remember plenty of complaints when he got the job and plenty of complaints about some of the decisions he made during matches which were perceived to have cost us games.
I certainly wouldn't have been his biggest fan (taking off Paul Murphy at half time vs Dublin in 07 sticks in the mind). I can't speak for the players though.

[Smurfy123]

Lads will many Derry support travel up to Newry on Saturday. Going by home attendances I doubt it. Looking forward to a good match Down by 5.

[tonesfirstandlast]

Went to the game, not much to say that hasn't been said. I thought Gallagher's post match comments on social media summed up our performance. I read Bannside wants to give the job to Gilligan who hasn't managed one team and has rode on the coat tail of Moran as a coach, playing a style that is literally cut and paste with Kilcoo, in the event that Gallagher who has been in 5 of the last 7 Ulster finals as an intercounty manager, doesn't cut it in Derry. Is there a light on there at all BS.
The single outstanding thing for me from Saturdays game apart was the fat that I can't recall us kicking the ball a short 25m or long 40m pass into or scoring zone, not one attempt at the 'mark' pass in the entire match. I genuinely couldn't get over it

If the mark or lack of it was the biggest problem Rawhide saw on Saturday night, it just goes to prove what we always thought. He hasn't a clue. The truth of the matter is that the county board and managers starting in 2008 has put the county in that big of a decline that Could be decades before we get out of it.
The only manager over the past 20 years that players and supporters bought into was Paddy Crozier

Not the case with supporters as I seem to remember plenty of complaints when he got the job and plenty of complaints about some of the decisions he made during matches which were perceived to have cost us games.
I certainly wouldn't have been his biggest fan (taking off Paul Murphy at half time vs Dublin in 07 sticks in the mind). I can't speak for the players though.

Typical Derry Supporter, he got Derry to a quarter final, he beat the all Ireland champions earlier on that year. How many has done that since.

And the players loved him but unfortunately that tight bond was ruined the next year.

[toby47]

Lads will many Derry support travel up to Newry on Saturday. Going by home attendances I doubt it. Looking forward to a good match Down by 5.

Any idea of attendance on Saturday vs Leitrim?

[Rawhide]

Went to the game, not much to say that hasn't been said. I thought Gallagher's post match comments on social media summed up our performance. I read Bannside wants to give the job to Gilligan who hasn't managed one team and has rode on the coat tail of Moran as a coach, playing a style that is literally cut and paste with Kilcoo, in the event that Gallagher who has been in 5 of the last 7 Ulster finals as an intercounty manager, doesn't cut it in Derry. Is there a light on there at all BS.
The single outstanding thing for me from Saturdays game apart was the fat that I can't recall us kicking the ball a short 25m or long 40m pass into or scoring zone, not one attempt at the 'mark' pass in the entire match. I genuinely couldn't get over it

If the mark or lack of it was the biggest problem Rawhide saw on Saturday night, it just goes to prove what we always thought. He hasn't a clue. The truth of the matter is that the county board and managers starting in 2008 has put the county in that big of a decline that Could be decades before we get out of it.
The only manager over the past 20 years that players and supporters bought into was Paddy Crozier

Not the case with supporters as I seem to remember plenty of complaints when he got the job and plenty of complaints about some of the decisions he made during matches which were perceived to have cost us games.
I certainly wouldn't have been his biggest fan (taking off Paul Murphy at half time vs Dublin in 07 sticks in the mind). I can't speak for the players though.

Typical Derry Supporter, he got Derry to a quarter final, he beat the all Ireland champions earlier on that year. How many has done that since.

And the players loved him but unfortunately that tight bond was ruined the next year.

Your some hypocrite TFAL, your the boy who continually attacked Coleman for the All Ireland semi-final defeat to Galway in 2001, but now your crying wolf about a Derry supporter critising Crozier, calling him a typical Derry supporter, a hypocrite, you reek if it. The facts are, and they are indisputable, we have made only one appearance in an Ulster final since 2000 (BTW Coleman managed that team to) winning none in 22 years, is that our past players and the players we are producing are not good enough. Year in and out we can't put two back to back games in the Ulster championship, including Crozier. We have had the a number of good players, but 4/5 don't make up 15 in a team. All those managers are shite, and all those great players and teams that were wasted  In the intervening time we have had Crozier, Moran, Mc Ivor, Cassidy and Brennan, would you like to add up the amount of championships those man have won at club level year in and out. FFs have a titter of a wit.

[restorepride]

Lads will many Derry support travel up to Newry on Saturday. Going by home attendances I doubt it. Looking forward to a good match Down by 5.

Any idea of attendance on Saturday vs Leitrim?

I would hazard a guess of 250?

[Squareball71]

Lads will many Derry support travel up to Newry on Saturday. Going by home attendances I doubt it. Looking forward to a good match Down by 5.

Any idea of attendance on Saturday vs Leitrim?

I would hazard a guess of 250?

I'd say 750 would be a more realistic figure.

[restorepride]

Lads will many Derry support travel up to Newry on Saturday. Going by home attendances I doubt it. Looking forward to a good match Down by 5.

Any idea of attendance on Saturday vs Leitrim?

I would hazard a guess of 250?

I'd say 750 would be a more realistic figure.

On the high side for me but then if you added in both panels, na maoir and the journalists?!

[Squareball71]

Lads will many Derry support travel up to Newry on Saturday. Going by home attendances I doubt it. Looking forward to a good match Down by 5.

Any idea of attendance on Saturday vs Leitrim?

I would hazard a guess of 250?

I'd say 750 would be a more realistic figure.

On the high side for me but then if you added in both panels, na maoir and the journalists?!

200 at the Hurling on Sunday and it was a considerably bigger crowd on Saturday evening. I'll even say the crowd was bigger than 750 on Saturday and that's not including panels and workers.

[bannside]

Leitrim do bring a sizeable crowd.

[tonesfirstandlast]

Went to the game, not much to say that hasn't been said. I thought Gallagher's post match comments on social media summed up our performance. I read Bannside wants to give the job to Gilligan who hasn't managed one team and has rode on the coat tail of Moran as a coach, playing a style that is literally cut and paste with Kilcoo, in the event that Gallagher who has been in 5 of the last 7 Ulster finals as an intercounty manager, doesn't cut it in Derry. Is there a light on there at all BS.
The single outstanding thing for me from Saturdays game apart was the fat that I can't recall us kicking the ball a short 25m or long 40m pass into or scoring zone, not one attempt at the 'mark' pass in the entire match. I genuinely couldn't get over it

If the mark or lack of it was the biggest problem Rawhide saw on Saturday night, it just goes to prove what we always thought. He hasn't a clue. The truth of the matter is that the county board and managers starting in 2008 has put the county in that big of a decline that Could be decades before we get out of it.
The only manager over the past 20 years that players and supporters bought into was Paddy Crozier

Not the case with supporters as I seem to remember plenty of complaints when he got the job and plenty of complaints about some of the decisions he made during matches which were perceived to have cost us games.
I certainly wouldn't have been his biggest fan (taking off Paul Murphy at half time vs Dublin in 07 sticks in the mind). I can't speak for the players though.

Typical Derry Supporter, he got Derry to a quarter final, he beat the all Ireland champions earlier on that year. How many has done that since.

And the players loved him but unfortunately that tight bond was ruined the next year.

Your some hypocrite TFAL, your the boy who continually attacked Coleman for the All Ireland semi-final defeat to Galway in 2001, but now your crying wolf about a Derry supporter critising Crozier, calling him a typical Derry supporter, a hypocrite, you reek if it. The facts are, and they are indisputable, we have made only one appearance in an Ulster final since 2000 (BTW Coleman managed that team to) winning none in 22 years, is that our past players and the players we are producing are not good enough. Year in and out we can't put two back to back games in the Ulster championship, including Crozier. We have had the a number of good players, but 4/5 don't make up 15 in a team. All those managers are shite, and all those great players and teams that were wasted  In the intervening time we have had Crozier, Moran, Mc Ivor, Cassidy and Brennan, would you like to add up the amount of championships those man have won at club level year in and out. FFs have a titter of a wit.

I hit a RAWhide nerve there will Old Rawhide 😀. I still stand by my comments that it was the management that beat us against Galway in 2001, as bad a bit of managing as ever seen in Croke I would say but I would blame Cassidy more that Eamon RIP, I think Cassidy was along the line that day and Coleman was suspended. Sure the players wouldn't turn out for them in 2002.
As for naming a list of mercenaries who win championships with teams who have no opposition in their counties doesn't make them county managers in my opinion. I would give Paddy Crozier another shot at it.