Derry Club Football & Hurling original

[Bronco]

I think there were plenty of people baffled at the time,myself included. Sometimes people have an attitude that you can't question a manager because you don't have their experience or expertise but what happened with Brown shows there's plenty of incompetent people in charge of teams at every level.

[JoG2]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/northern-ireland/53127380

Which reminds me of this man who the Derry Minor Manager of the time was quoted as saying Callum was not athletic enough to last a full game, and was living off scraps of gametime. All I see here are tributes to his outstanding athleticism!!

Baffling decision at the time....even more baffling now! And what was Brian Mc Iver thinking too whilst this was going on??

Think we've been down this road before.. Is the actual quote from Mackers available? I do know he once said Brown was maybe the most athletic for his age in the country (at 18).
I'd say most folk who watched CB at county minor, U21 and senior club would say whilst he was / is an incredible athlete with pace and power to burn, his overall work rate off the ball  didn't match his other attributes.

[oakleaflad]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/northern-ireland/53127380

Which reminds me of this man who the Derry Minor Manager of the time was quoted as saying Callum was not athletic enough to last a full game, and was living off scraps of gametime. All I see here are tributes to his outstanding athleticism!!

Baffling decision at the time....even more baffling now! And what was Brian Mc Iver thinking too whilst this was going on??

Who was promoted to take the senior team, who then took us to D4. I watched in disbelief at the young Magherafelt Fb being giving no protection against what we all knew was a serious talented ff. The thing is, its not even hindsight for me. (shaking my head )

The lack of protection was a far worse decision than not starting Brown

[Will it ever end]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/northern-ireland/53127380

Which reminds me of this man who the Derry Minor Manager of the time was quoted as saying Callum was not athletic enough to last a full game, and was living off scraps of gametime. All I see here are tributes to his outstanding athleticism!!

Baffling decision at the time....even more baffling now! And what was Brian Mc Iver thinking too whilst this was going on??

Think we've been down this road before.. Is the actual quote from Mackers available? I do know he once said Brown was maybe the most athletic for his age in the country (at 18).
I'd say most folk who watched CB at county minor, U21 and senior club would say whilst he was / is an incredible athlete with pace and power to burn, his overall work rate off the ball  didn't match his other attributes.

I think that was absolutely the case - and the data backed the argument up. 

[Bronco]

Well there you go,the data backed it up. Good to know that while Derry were much better when Brown played, the data told us he didn't deserve to play. The folly of over reliance on data without the wit to take in what your eyes are telling you summed up perfectly.

[Bronco]

Data is of course useful,but far too often it is in the hands of people who either don't understand its value/limitations, or it is used purely as a stick to beat people who don't clock up enough km during games.

[Will it ever end]

Bronco - you off course will be an expert in the proficient use of data & will have made many swift & correct decisions based on it & what your eyes are telling you as well.

[bannside]

Any manager or coach that wouldnt have built a team around CB at that age, with that physical strength and speed should really question themselves seriously about finding a different hobby. Talk of the country at the time and leaving some young cub one one one against David Clifford really belies belief.

[Bronco]

Thank you for the kind words.

Bronco - you off course will be an expert in the proficient use of data & will have made many swift & correct decisions based on it & what your eyes are telling you as well.

[Bronco]

Totally agree with this.

Any manager or coach that wouldnt have built a team around CB at that age, with that physical strength and speed should really question themselves seriously about finding a different hobby. Talk of the country at the time and leaving some young cub one one one against David Clifford really belies belief.

[Will it ever end]

Totally agree with this.

Any manager or coach that wouldnt have built a team around CB at that age, with that physical strength and speed should really question themselves seriously about finding a different hobby. Talk of the country at the time and leaving some young cub one one one against David Clifford really belies belief.

Some young cub - Conor McCluskey - widely held as one of the best if not the best talents in the county.

Callum Brown is an exceptional talent - who during that period was extremely raw - he excelled in half a dozen explosive moves during his time on the pitch - which naturally took a lot out of him or anyone for that matter at that age - the managers decision was how to get the most out of that during his time on the pitch - surely the best placed to do so

[Bronco]

It was patently obvious to anyone who had watched Clifford before that game that he couldn't be allowed to get one on one with any defender. It was even more obvious shortly after the game started that he was going to destroy Derry if they didn't do something.

And they didn't do something. It was complete ineptitude.

[Will it ever end]

I don't disagree - I pointed out for context that the man marking him that day just wasn't "some cub"

[oakleaflad]

Totally agree with this.

Any manager or coach that wouldnt have built a team around CB at that age, with that physical strength and speed should really question themselves seriously about finding a different hobby. Talk of the country at the time and leaving some young cub one one one against David Clifford really belies belief.

Some young cub - Conor McCluskey - widely held as one of the best if not the best talents in the county.

Callum Brown is an exceptional talent - who during that period was extremely raw - he excelled in half a dozen explosive moves during his time on the pitch - which naturally took a lot out of him or anyone for that matter at that age - the managers decision was how to get the most out of that during his time on the pitch - surely the best placed to do so

^This^ Extremely, extremely raw. Very athletic but he struggled to consistently solo the ball whilst running at 16. He wasn't close to the best player on that minor team and to suggest that the team should have been built around him is absolute nonsense. Thankfully he improved over the next couple years and turned into a fine player before heading to Oz.

As mentioned, the lack of protection against Clifford was a far bigger mistake.

[oakleaflad]

Both the Senior and Intermediate Championships are down to the Semi Final stage with the Junior Championship at Quarter Finals. Anyone care to give a prediction for the winners of each Championship?