Derry Club Football & Hurling original

[GTP]

Whats glaringly obviously when Ulster hurling meets Munster or Leinster is the speed and power that their game is played at and I'm not talking about stick speed. Surely if they can't a very least match physicality you'd have to question how committed they are to closing the gap!

What do you mean by 'physicality'? SN are bound to be amongst the best prepared hurling (and football) teams in Ulster so how could they possibly improve their physicality? SN were not playing as well this year; they don't get enough hurling to maintain the sharpness needed at the top level and with respect to the high quality players they do have there is no individual who is a level above to propel them to the next level. Loughrea were more physical, with late hits, but as a strategy I don't see how that would improve the level of hurling anywhere.

[theticklemister]

Maybe Ryan O was on about the fact that Loughera emerged with the vast majority of ball from the rucks, were able to hold off the Slaughtneil players while lifting the ball and when the ball was hit into the forwards, they could gather their own ball much easier

[Ryan O]

I think the fitness and physicality needed in both codes is very different which makes it very hard to compete in both. You'll compete to a point then the top teams will have too much.
Hurling is far faster but over shorter distances than football.
Of course Slaughneil are super fit miles ahead of most clubs, but they not Ballygunner/ St Martins fast.

Hope doesn't sound like I'm here for pop at Slaughneil because I'm definitely not, they're suffering because of lack competitive hurling they get most of the year.

[GTP]

It does not sound like you are having a pop at SN to me. In the build up to the Ulster final some of the opinion expressed seemed to be that SN had the physicality to win that game. So was just wondering what it actually means. I'd agree with theticklemister about SN losing the rucks and ball hit into the forwards but would put that down to a lower skill level rather than physicality. And with the lack of competitive hurling SN or any other team stepping up to the AI will not know what level they need to be at or not had enough match awareness in these situations to improve.

[SunnyJim]

The harsh reality is that only a very small number of people in Ulster are interested in hurling. That is evident in the number of clubs, the playing numbers, the people attending the games and the media coverage. They don't even have an Ulster SHC anymore. Nobody is interested. Slaughtneil are now winning Ulster championships at a canter & they spend most of the year concentrating on football. It has turned into a joke.

Hurling people always ask for more money and complain the official bodies aren't doing enough to promote the game. It comes to the point you're just throwing good money after bad. Hurling is a niche sport which has an incredibly high skill level as a barrier to entry but an incredibly low athleticism level. Learning to hit the ball 70 yards can't be considered a 'sport' or fun. I send my kids to one of our newest clubs but it is an absolute pain to get them to go. I wouldn't mind but the membership for a primary school child is over £100.

How can it be fixed? It can't. Not in Ulster anyway.

Incredibly low athleticism levels is not only factually incorrect, it's disrespectful. And "Learning to hit the ball 70 yards can't be considered a 'sport' or fun"....  I suppose learning to hand pass it 5 yards for 70mins is very fun too. They didn't bring in new rules to stop people hitting it 70 yards due to it being unbearable to watch unlike hand passing/15 behind the ball.

[Derry Man]

Have alot of sympathy for Slaughneil yesterday after watching that. They looked way off the standard of Loughrea who bar a miracle I don't think will be fit for Ballygunner.

Ulster hurling is dire at the minute and it doesn't help Slaughneil trying to compete at all, realistically they haven't had a decent competitive game since All Ireland Semi final in 2024. St Johns done great winning Antrim but were miles off Slaughneil standard.

Antrim championship is competitive but its a competitive poor standard, once these teams go to Croke Park everything goes to a speed they can't cope with. The hurling gaels of Ulster constantly say they aren't getting the help, I love to ask what they want? Surely its up to the clubs to raise the standard if they wany to compete.

Dunloy beat St Thomas in Croke park 3 years ago. Ulster clubs are competing, yesterday was an outlier in recent results, Loughrea are no bad team and won't be far away from Ballygunner   

They aren't competing, yes there are results that push against the norm but overall Ulster teams are well behind in standard.
Athletic grounds is probably the best place for football in the country but for fast free flowing hurling its a disaster.
The pitch is too tight and the game turns into a hacking match. Yes this may create excitement but All Irelands are won on big pitches where the ball moves fast.
I thought Slaughneil would beat Loughrea on Sunday based mainly off it was in Parnell Park thats another bog hole, once Loughrea matched they're intensity they were up against it.
Loughrea manager said before throw in "we have to match them for dirty ball" after that everyone knew it wasn't going to be a hurling classic.

Personally don't see this massive push that hurling folk claim they are doing, coaching seminars throughout the country  are full of underage coaches/managers doing everything they can to improve football, and the standard continues to rise. Social media is full of analysis, stats, drills, advice and 90% is all football based. Why do the hurling coaches/ enthusiasts not do the same?
Instead of saying they aren't getting the support needed perhaps it might be time to look internally.

You come out with some tripe Ryan.

Cushendall & SN played in Athletic Grounds last year was one of the games of the year, skill level off the charts mainly because pitch was hard & weather was far drier this time last year.

As for Ulster teams not competing:
2024 - SARS 0-18 : SN 0-17
2023 - OLG  1-17 : Cushendall 1-16
2022 - Dunloy 1-14 : St Thomas 0-13
       Ballyhale 1-22 : Dunloy  1-15
2021 - Ballygunner 2-19 : SN 1-17
2020 - Ballyhale 2-24 : SN 2-19

Which of these games did the Ulster teams not compete Ryan? Plenty of good hurling coaches who travel the country trying to spread the game, maybe they just need more "gurus" to teach a hand passing drill and charge £30 a pop like these generous football coaches doing it for the love of the game

[lenny]

Have alot of sympathy for Slaughneil yesterday after watching that. They looked way off the standard of Loughrea who bar a miracle I don't think will be fit for Ballygunner.

Ulster hurling is dire at the minute and it doesn't help Slaughneil trying to compete at all, realistically they haven't had a decent competitive game since All Ireland Semi final in 2024. St Johns done great winning Antrim but were miles off Slaughneil standard.

Antrim championship is competitive but its a competitive poor standard, once these teams go to Croke Park everything goes to a speed they can't cope with. The hurling gaels of Ulster constantly say they aren't getting the help, I love to ask what they want? Surely its up to the clubs to raise the standard if they wany to compete.

Dunloy beat St Thomas in Croke park 3 years ago. Ulster clubs are competing, yesterday was an outlier in recent results, Loughrea are no bad team and won't be far away from Ballygunner   

They aren't competing, yes there are results that push against the norm but overall Ulster teams are well behind in standard.
Athletic grounds is probably the best place for football in the country but for fast free flowing hurling its a disaster.
The pitch is too tight and the game turns into a hacking match. Yes this may create excitement but All Irelands are won on big pitches where the ball moves fast.
I thought Slaughneil would beat Loughrea on Sunday based mainly off it was in Parnell Park thats another bog hole, once Loughrea matched they're intensity they were up against it.
Loughrea manager said before throw in "we have to match them for dirty ball" after that everyone knew it wasn't going to be a hurling classic.

Personally don't see this massive push that hurling folk claim they are doing, coaching seminars throughout the country  are full of underage coaches/managers doing everything they can to improve football, and the standard continues to rise. Social media is full of analysis, stats, drills, advice and 90% is all football based. Why do the hurling coaches/ enthusiasts not do the same?
Instead of saying they aren't getting the support needed perhaps it might be time to look internally.

You come out with some tripe Ryan.

Cushendall & SN played in Athletic Grounds last year was one of the games of the year, skill level off the charts mainly because pitch was hard & weather was far drier this time last year.

As for Ulster teams not competing:
2024 - SARS 0-18 : SN 0-17
2023 - OLG  1-17 : Cushendall 1-16
2022 - Dunloy 1-14 : St Thomas 0-13
       Ballyhale 1-22 : Dunloy  1-15
2021 - Ballygunner 2-19 : SN 1-17
2020 - Ballyhale 2-24 : SN 2-19

Which of these games did the Ulster teams not compete Ryan? Plenty of good hurling coaches who travel the country trying to spread the game, maybe they just need more "gurus" to teach a hand passing drill and charge £30 a pop like these generous football coaches doing it for the love of the game

Well said Derry man, Ryan seems to love getting in an unnecessary dig or 2 and trying to disguise it as intelligent analysis. Put well in his place this time.

[Ryan O]

Have alot of sympathy for Slaughneil yesterday after watching that. They looked way off the standard of Loughrea who bar a miracle I don't think will be fit for Ballygunner.

Ulster hurling is dire at the minute and it doesn't help Slaughneil trying to compete at all, realistically they haven't had a decent competitive game since All Ireland Semi final in 2024. St Johns done great winning Antrim but were miles off Slaughneil standard.

Antrim championship is competitive but its a competitive poor standard, once these teams go to Croke Park everything goes to a speed they can't cope with. The hurling gaels of Ulster constantly say they aren't getting the help, I love to ask what they want? Surely its up to the clubs to raise the standard if they wany to compete.

Dunloy beat St Thomas in Croke park 3 years ago. Ulster clubs are competing, yesterday was an outlier in recent results, Loughrea are no bad team and won't be far away from Ballygunner   

They aren't competing, yes there are results that push against the norm but overall Ulster teams are well behind in standard.
Athletic grounds is probably the best place for football in the country but for fast free flowing hurling its a disaster.
The pitch is too tight and the game turns into a hacking match. Yes this may create excitement but All Irelands are won on big pitches where the ball moves fast.
I thought Slaughneil would beat Loughrea on Sunday based mainly off it was in Parnell Park thats another bog hole, once Loughrea matched they're intensity they were up against it.
Loughrea manager said before throw in "we have to match them for dirty ball" after that everyone knew it wasn't going to be a hurling classic.

Personally don't see this massive push that hurling folk claim they are doing, coaching seminars throughout the country  are full of underage coaches/managers doing everything they can to improve football, and the standard continues to rise. Social media is full of analysis, stats, drills, advice and 90% is all football based. Why do the hurling coaches/ enthusiasts not do the same?
Instead of saying they aren't getting the support needed perhaps it might be time to look internally.

You come out with some tripe Ryan.

Cushendall & SN played in Athletic Grounds last year was one of the games of the year, skill level off the charts mainly because pitch was hard & weather was far drier this time last year.

As for Ulster teams not competing:
2024 - SARS 0-18 : SN 0-17
2023 - OLG  1-17 : Cushendall 1-16
2022 - Dunloy 1-14 : St Thomas 0-13
       Ballyhale 1-22 : Dunloy  1-15
2021 - Ballygunner 2-19 : SN 1-17
2020 - Ballyhale 2-24 : SN 2-19

Which of these games did the Ulster teams not compete Ryan? Plenty of good hurling coaches who travel the country trying to spread the game, maybe they just need more "gurus" to teach a hand passing drill and charge £30 a pop like these generous football coaches doing it for the love of the game

So one win in 7 games is proving the point, proving that success for hurlers in Ulster is only getting beat by a small margin. Serial loser syndrome is drifting in.

You can insult football all you like but like Munster hurling we are confident in our own skin. Kerry may provide the purest brand of football but Ulster football is the envy of most.

Ulster football coaches travel all over Ireland to various countries and hold their own, love to know when traditional hurling countries ever came north looking a Derry or Antrim guru? Maybe its Ballygalget and Portaferry that provide the ground breaking stuff.

[Ryan O]

Have alot of sympathy for Slaughneil yesterday after watching that. They looked way off the standard of Loughrea who bar a miracle I don't think will be fit for Ballygunner.

Ulster hurling is dire at the minute and it doesn't help Slaughneil trying to compete at all, realistically they haven't had a decent competitive game since All Ireland Semi final in 2024. St Johns done great winning Antrim but were miles off Slaughneil standard.

Antrim championship is competitive but its a competitive poor standard, once these teams go to Croke Park everything goes to a speed they can't cope with. The hurling gaels of Ulster constantly say they aren't getting the help, I love to ask what they want? Surely its up to the clubs to raise the standard if they wany to compete.

Dunloy beat St Thomas in Croke park 3 years ago. Ulster clubs are competing, yesterday was an outlier in recent results, Loughrea are no bad team and won't be far away from Ballygunner   

They aren't competing, yes there are results that push against the norm but overall Ulster teams are well behind in standard.
Athletic grounds is probably the best place for football in the country but for fast free flowing hurling its a disaster.
The pitch is too tight and the game turns into a hacking match. Yes this may create excitement but All Irelands are won on big pitches where the ball moves fast.
I thought Slaughneil would beat Loughrea on Sunday based mainly off it was in Parnell Park thats another bog hole, once Loughrea matched they're intensity they were up against it.
Loughrea manager said before throw in "we have to match them for dirty ball" after that everyone knew it wasn't going to be a hurling classic.

Personally don't see this massive push that hurling folk claim they are doing, coaching seminars throughout the country  are full of underage coaches/managers doing everything they can to improve football, and the standard continues to rise. Social media is full of analysis, stats, drills, advice and 90% is all football based. Why do the hurling coaches/ enthusiasts not do the same?
Instead of saying they aren't getting the support needed perhaps it might be time to look internally.

You come out with some tripe Ryan.

Cushendall & SN played in Athletic Grounds last year was one of the games of the year, skill level off the charts mainly because pitch was hard & weather was far drier this time last year.

As for Ulster teams not competing:
2024 - SARS 0-18 : SN 0-17
2023 - OLG  1-17 : Cushendall 1-16
2022 - Dunloy 1-14 : St Thomas 0-13
       Ballyhale 1-22 : Dunloy  1-15
2021 - Ballygunner 2-19 : SN 1-17
2020 - Ballyhale 2-24 : SN 2-19

Which of these games did the Ulster teams not compete Ryan? Plenty of good hurling coaches who travel the country trying to spread the game, maybe they just need more "gurus" to teach a hand passing drill and charge £30 a pop like these generous football coaches doing it for the love of the game

Well said Derry man, Ryan seems to love getting in an unnecessary dig or 2 and trying to disguise it as intelligent analysis. Put well in his place this time.

Point out the digs when you get a chance rather than cheerleading someone else opinion, paired up with an ol lazy insult.

[OakLeaf]

The top ulster teams are not that far away. I think they just need more quality games than they have now, so that they're better prepared for the all ireland series. I think we should abandon individual county leagues and have all ulster leagues so that the top teams are playing each other more regularly. Not just the top teams, but all teams having more competitive games.

[quit yo jibbajabba]

Serial loser syndrome

Point out my digs

Someone make it make sense

[Ryan O]

Serial loser syndrome

Point out my digs

Someone make it make sense

the way to make it make sense is follow the timeline. It was stated that digs were being made before I wrote the serial loser syndrome comment. Time only goes forward unfortunately.

[quit yo jibbajabba]

Serial loser syndrome

Point out my digs

Someone make it make sense

the way to make it make sense is follow the timeline. It was stated that digs were being made before I wrote the serial loser syndrome comment. Time only goes forward unfortunately.

Fairs. There was more earlier and it looks like I wasn't the only one to notice

[Ryan O]

Serial loser syndrome

Point out my digs

Someone make it make sense

the way to make it make sense is follow the timeline. It was stated that digs were being made before I wrote the serial loser syndrome comment. Time only goes forward unfortunately.

Fairs. There was more earlier and it looks like I wasn't the only one to notice

I was of the belief this is a forum to give opinions, no shortage of people with nothing to offer except that whatever someone has said is rubbish.
Disagree 100% but offer up a substantial counter argument then at least we can debate it.

Its the classic I've no ideas but I know you're wrong.

Anyway I've offered enough opinions on hurling for someone who's not involved in anyway so I'll drop that conversation, it inevitably turns to lads saying "football is shite" which I've yet to see benefit any hurling club.

[Derry Man]

Serial loser syndrome

Point out my digs

Someone make it make sense

the way to make it make sense is follow the timeline. It was stated that digs were being made before I wrote the serial loser syndrome comment. Time only goes forward unfortunately.

Fairs. There was more earlier and it looks like I wasn't the only one to notice

I was of the belief this is a forum to give opinions, no shortage of people with nothing to offer except that whatever someone has said is rubbish.
Disagree 100% but offer up a substantial counter argument then at least we can debate it.

Its the classic I've no ideas but I know you're wrong.

Anyway I've offered enough opinions on hurling for someone who's not involved in anyway so I'll drop that conversation, it inevitably turns to lads saying "football is shite" which I've yet to see benefit any hurling club.

I dismantled your argument so you moved petty remarks just as I did when you were going on a ridiculous tirade against Slaughneil. No one has said football is shite, zapped said hurling  wasn't a sport perhaps that's where you're getting your wires crossed