kerry v donegal

[BluestackBoy]

what did donaghy do to murphy? I haven't seen any footage of that

He got him in a headlock & swung him to the ground. It set the tone for everything that came after.

[redzone]

what did donaghy do to murphy? I haven't seen any footage of that

He got him in a headlock & swung him to the ground. It set the tone for everything that came after.

Yes forgot the bit were it was a Kerry free and Murphy wouldnt let go of the ball. A delaying tactic that donegal do all the time. The tone for this match was set during the week by Rory Gallagher, there's no doubt about that

[BluestackBoy]

what did donaghy do to murphy? I haven't seen any footage of that

He got him in a headlock & swung him to the ground. It set the tone for everything that came after.

Yes forgot the bit were it was a Kerry free and Murphy wouldnt let go of the ball. A delaying tactic that donegal do all the time. The tone for this match was set during the week by Rory Gallagher, there's no doubt about that

Fellas not handing the ball up immediately is as old as the hills & every team does it. If spotted the referee moves the free up, that's how it should be dealt with.  Donaghy's headlock was a first, was dangerous and set the tone.

How you figure that Gallagher thought it was in Donegal's interest to get into a slugfest in baffling. they were playing the best football in the division, scoring to beat the band & have a number of young inexperienced new players. Why would they change tack when what they were doing was working so well?

Gallagher is not everyone's cup of tea, I get that. He annoy's the head off me sometimes as well. I don't think he was behind affairs on Sunday though.

[StephenC]

I hope that McGee gets an appropriate sanction for what was a terrible act. I hope that the Kerry lads get's his red card rescinded. I hope that Rory and the rest of the management team take a good long look at discipline in the team and in the support team, and make some changes for the rest of the year.

In any sport, behavior that can give a team an advantage will grow and prosper. That's why flopping became such a big deal in basketball, why diving became such a big deal in soccer, why waving the ball wide became such a big deal in hurling and football. If we want certain behaviors to change (and I really do), we have to make it so they don't lead to a reward. Aidan O'Mahoney spend most of Sunday roaring in Murphy's face in the hope that he would react and get sent off. Kavanagh was needling Brian Sheehan for exactly the same reason. They are not doing it to pass the time; they are doing it because it gives them an advantage. It's up to us as members of the GAA to decide if we want to see more of this, and if not, to change the rules/enforce the rules so that it is no longer an advantage to do it.

[nrico2006]

I know that  Fitzgerald won't have his card rescinded.  The rules were followed and he was sent-off.  Its just going back to something I mentioned last summer regarding provocation and how the GAA should not be treating the initial recipient of violence in the same way as the aggressor.  The rules should be changed and that change should not punish someone like Fitzgerald on Sunday.  It was an instinctive reaction to a scummy act that was obviously causing his alot of pain, what should he have done?

[blewuporstuffed]

Yes, thats what I am saying.
McGee has previous for this which ended up with breaking an opponents fingers , so he knew what he was at.

Grand so next lad to deliberately trod on someone's toes in a game must be trying to break their toes. Next player to deliver a nasty shot in the ribs must be trying yo break their opponents ribs.

I don't for one second believemail McGee was trying to break his fingers.

Was it dangerous yet?  Nasty and underhand?  Yes.

But you jump to the assertion he was trying to cause an injury to him rather than a momentary period of pain/distress with the aim of provoking a reaction is ridiculous and if you're in anyway consistent you'll apply the same logic to every incident of sneaky play

He carried out an action that was very likely to result in breaking /dislocating a  finger, regardless of his intention.
To compare it to troding on someones toes or hitting them a dig in the ribs is ridiculous as those actions a re far less likely to cause injury.

A 15/16 stone lad trdodding on your toes with studs is very likely to break someone's toes.

A highly conditioned player delivering a close fist pinch to the ribs is very likely to crack/break someone's ribs.

A knee to the groin/thigh  is very likely to give someone a dead leg.

Did Lee Keegan try and murder Diarmuid Connolly last year because when I try and apply your logic to that situation then that's what I'm coming up with.

I think that says more about your logic than mine

You can't kill someone in a headlock?

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=26794.0

[Il Bomber Destro]

Yes, thats what I am saying.
McGee has previous for this which ended up with breaking an opponents fingers , so he knew what he was at.

Grand so next lad to deliberately trod on someone's toes in a game must be trying to break their toes. Next player to deliver a nasty shot in the ribs must be trying yo break their opponents ribs.

I don't for one second believemail McGee was trying to break his fingers.

Was it dangerous yet?  Nasty and underhand?  Yes.

But you jump to the assertion he was trying to cause an injury to him rather than a momentary period of pain/distress with the aim of provoking a reaction is ridiculous and if you're in anyway consistent you'll apply the same logic to every incident of sneaky play

He carried out an action that was very likely to result in breaking /dislocating a  finger, regardless of his intention.
To compare it to troding on someones toes or hitting them a dig in the ribs is ridiculous as those actions a re far less likely to cause injury.

A 15/16 stone lad trdodding on your toes with studs is very likely to break someone's toes.

A highly conditioned player delivering a close fist pinch to the ribs is very likely to crack/break someone's ribs.

A knee to the groin/thigh  is very likely to give someone a dead leg.

Did Lee Keegan try and murder Diarmuid Connolly last year because when I try and apply your logic to that situation then that's what I'm coming up with.

I think that says more about your logic than mine

You can't kill someone in a headlock?

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=26794.0

So McGee was deliberately trying to break a lad's fingers while Keegan was giving Connolly a few cuddles, was it?

[blewuporstuffed]

At no stage have i mentioned Lee Keegan.

[Conallach]

I was going to add a post here but really, there's already a longer, more measured and generally better discussion on this in the Division 1 thread for anyone interested 

[Il Bomber Destro]

At no stage have i mentioned Lee Keegan.

I am and I'm asking you if you apply the same standards to similar incidents. You are accusing McGee of deliberately trying to break an opponent's fingers.

[joemamas]

I hope that McGee gets an appropriate sanction for what was a terrible act. I hope that the Kerry lads get's his red card rescinded. I hope that Rory and the rest of the management team take a good long look at discipline in the team and in the support team, and make some changes for the rest of the year.

In any sport, behavior that can give a team an advantage will grow and prosper. That's why flopping became such a big deal in basketball, why diving became such a big deal in soccer, why waving the ball wide became such a big deal in hurling and football. If we want certain behaviors to change (and I really do), we have to make it so they don't lead to a reward. Aidan O'Mahoney spend most of Sunday roaring in Murphy's face in the hope that he would react and get sent off. Kavanagh was needling Brian Sheehan for exactly the same reason. They are not doing it to pass the time; they are doing it because it gives them an advantage. It's up to us as members of the GAA to decide if we want to see more of this, and if not, to change the rules/enforce the rules so that it is no longer an advantage to do it.

O Mahoney is a complete asshole, reminds me of a guy who is well well past it, and tries to compensate by mouthing off, and throwing his weight around. Is he related to Fitzmaurice or one of the selectors, how the hell is he on the panel. Having said that I hope to see him on the field in August or September, as will most of his opponents.

How Donaghy stayed on the field is a mystery, incident with Murphy was a yellow at minimum. The tackle on McHugh likewise.
People who say Kinsella is a good ref may be off the mark, he cannot keep up with the play. Full stop.

On a side note, I have to laugh at one of our favorite journalists Eugene,
The following is a quote from his report on the game Sunday.
"Several new players made big impressions and as always a few veterans like Sheehan, Aidan O'Mahony and Kieran Donaghy showed leadership that was vital in the more tempestuous periods of the game"
Methinks it may be time to take his pencil away.

[Canalman]

You're right the mouthing these days is terrible and is everywhere. Club players including underage copied it.

Black card there to rid the game of that. Referees rarely use it, more is the pity.

Btw , lord help the referee who righty clamps down with cards etc  on the mouthing etc in a league game as the "let it flow" / "referee lost control of the game"  pundits get into full flow.

Speaking to and hearing Donegal people, they I think anyway genuinely feel they were seen as "soft touches" for many years by opposing teams. I think this explains why they are now a flinty , abrasive bunch although this will lose its benefits if they are at it every game and opposing teams are expecting and preparing for it (which now no doubt they are).

[Rossfan]

You're right the mouthing these days is terrible and is everywhere. Club players including underage copied it.

Black card there to rid the game of that. Referees rarely use it, more is the pity.

Correct. Playing Rule 5 isn't it?

[blewuporstuffed]

At no stage have i mentioned Lee Keegan.

I am and I'm asking you if you apply the same standards to similar incidents. You are accusing McGee of deliberately trying to break an opponent's fingers.

They are in no way similar incidents.
I am judging the mcgee incident on what I saw him do, not on something a different player form a different county did 6 months earlier.

[redzone]

what did donaghy do to murphy? I haven't seen any footage of that

He got him in a headlock & swung him to the ground. It set the tone for everything that came after.

Yes forgot the bit were it was a Kerry free and Murphy wouldnt let go of the ball. A delaying tactic that donegal do all the time. The tone for this match was set during the week by Rory Gallagher, there's no doubt about that

Fellas not handing the ball up immediately is as old as the hills & every team does it. If spotted the referee moves the free up, that's how it should be dealt with.  Donaghy's headlock was a first, was dangerous and set the tone.

How you figure that Gallagher thought it was in Donegal's interest to get into a slugfest in baffling. they were playing the best football in the division, scoring to beat the band & have a number of young inexperienced new players. Why would they change tack when what they were doing was working so well?

Gallagher is not everyone's cup of tea, I get that. He annoy's the head off me sometimes as well. I don't think he was behind affairs on Sunday though.

Maybe I'm wrong but I just think Gallagher is trying to put his stamp on the team. This is still really mcguiness team. Same players and same style of play. Although it will have a negative impact now, I think it will benefit donegal later on in the year. Some teams will have that bit of fear in the back of there minds. Donaghey def had a big say in the tone of the game, but Hugh McFadden did his best to rise him at a hop ball just after the throw in. McFadden continued with this until he was taken off. Has Rory put him in as a spoiler because it's def not for his football ability. Big Neil Gallagher is still very important to donegal