Pick your team> Kinahans or Hutches ?

Started by seafoid, February 09, 2016, 12:44:14 PM

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Armagh18

This fella had Saul Goodman along with Harvey Specter defending him!

toby47

Any good documentaries to watch or books to read on all this?

Have saw a few bits before and read loads of stuff on the internet.

Saffrongael

Quote from: toby47 on April 18, 2023, 03:59:44 PM
Any good documentaries to watch or books to read on all this?

Have saw a few bits before and read loads of stuff on the internet.

Book - The Cartel by Stephen Breen covers it in good depth
Let no-one say the best hurlers belong to the past. They are with us now, and better yet to come

Milltown Row2

Its bizarre the support he/they get from people on social media, like a modern day Robin hood....

The reality is they are robbing hooding bastards ;)
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

Armagh18

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 18, 2023, 04:12:29 PM
Its bizarre the support he/they get from people on social media, like a modern day Robin hood....

The reality is they are robbing hooding bastards ;)
Hutch would be fairly welll liked as he's not s drug dealer like that other shower.

Not sure if liked is the right would but he isnt a low life like the others. 

Milltown Row2

Quote from: Armagh18 on April 18, 2023, 04:22:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 18, 2023, 04:12:29 PM
Its bizarre the support he/they get from people on social media, like a modern day Robin hood....

The reality is they are robbing hooding bastards ;)
Hutch would be fairly welll liked as he's not s drug dealer like that other shower.

Not sure if liked is the right would but he isnt a low life like the others.

He's a decent robing hood then? Christ
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

seafoid

The news is even in the Belfast Telegraph. Of course the Indo dined out on the legend of the Monk for many years.

Armagh18

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 18, 2023, 07:02:54 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 18, 2023, 04:22:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 18, 2023, 04:12:29 PM
Its bizarre the support he/they get from people on social media, like a modern day Robin hood....

The reality is they are robbing hooding bastards ;)
Hutch would be fairly welll liked as he's not s drug dealer like that other shower.

Not sure if liked is the right would but he isnt a low life like the others.

He's a decent robing hood then? Christ
a lot more decent than the other shower. But had nosey through this thread earlier and would be in agreement with the poster that said put the lot on Spike Island and let them kill each other!

Capt Pat

I didn't know Hutch wasn't a drug dealer. I kind of thought this feud was all about who was dominant in the drug trade. Why are they all killing each other if they are not in competition?

Milltown Row2

Quote from: Capt Pat on April 18, 2023, 11:09:54 PM
I didn't know Hutch wasn't a drug dealer. I kind of thought this feud was all about who was dominant in the drug trade. Why are they all killing each other if they are not in competition?

Think someone said, "your ma's a whore" and it all kicked off
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

Armagh18

Quote from: Capt Pat on April 18, 2023, 11:09:54 PM
I didn't know Hutch wasn't a drug dealer. I kind of thought this feud was all about who was dominant in the drug trade. Why are they all killing each other if they are not in competition?
Not that clued in on it tbh but I think Hutch nephew was big mates with Kinahan, they fell out, one tried to kill the other and missed, that went back and forward Hutch got involved  and eventually the nephew was shot. Hutch was alleged to have done a few big armed robberies. Open to correction.

Captain Scarlet

As far as I remember the nephew being killed met with the response in the Regency.
Hutch would be a bank robber type. As one journalist said on the Radio at the time it wasn't a feud.
A family with criminality was being wiped out by a cartel. 

them mysterons are always killing me but im grand after a few days.sickenin aul dose all the same.

Armagh18

Quote from: Captain Scarlet on April 18, 2023, 11:46:15 PM
As far as I remember the nephew being killed met with the response in the Regency.
Hutch would be a bank robber type. As one journalist said on the Radio at the time it wasn't a feud.
A family with criminality was being wiped out by a cartel.
Yeah sounds right. Although by all accounts Hutch a shrewd operator. Must be if he's still above ground!

seafoid

Quote from: Capt Pat on April 18, 2023, 11:09:54 PM
I didn't know Hutch wasn't a drug dealer. I kind of thought this feud was all about who was dominant in the drug trade. Why are they all killing each other if they are not in competition?

Hutch was into armed robbery. He is more like Ned Kelly
https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2023/04/21/gerry-hutch-profile-university-of-crime-graduate-a-natural-leader-and-planner/

•   While gardaí believe he remained involved in the drugs trade as an investor during his so-called retirement years, he was a hands-off criminal. He appeared to have climbed above the day-to-day hustle of Dublin's organised crime scene just as cocaine wars were about to break out on the streets of Dublin, unleashing an unprecedented level of gangland feuding.
•   However, his nephews – Gary Hutch and Christopher "Bouncer" Hutch – had become involved in a drugs gang in Dublin from the late 1990s into the 2000s with Daniel Kinahan and Christopher Kinahan jnr, the sons of Christy Kinahan snr. Over the next decade the Kinahan group, with Kinahan snr as its Spanish-based leader, grew into an international cartel, with Gary Hutch rising up through the ranks.
•   In February 2009, Gary Hutch was involved in the robbery of the Bank of Ireland cash stores on College Green, Dublin, when €7.6 million was stolen. He took his share of the money and invested much of it in the cartel, believing it would help him advance even further up the ranks. However, when his position in the cartel did not change, he organised for Daniel Kinahan to be shot outside his Spanish villa in 2014, though the gunman shot the wrong man in a case of mistaken identity.
•   That murder bid caused a major rift between the Kinahans and Hutch family – who were all well known to each other. It resulted in the shooting dead of Gary Hutch in Spain in September 2015. In late December that year, Gerry Hutch himself narrowly avoided being shot dead in a pub in Lanzarote by two gunmen sent by the Kinahans. The botched murder bid was proof the dispute between the Kinahan and Hutch groups had not died with Gary Hutch.

seafoid

or Robin Hood

https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2023/04/19/many-locals-in-dublins-north-inner-city-delighted-with-hutch-verdict/

Older people, in particular, around Buckingham Street, Foley Street and Sean McDermott Street, where Hutch grew up, described him and his family as "lovely", and cited the "good" he had done for young people and "the old folks" of the area.
Many, when approached by The Irish Times on Tuesday, did not wish to get into a conversation about Hutch. But all who did were happy with the Special Criminal Court verdict of not guilty to the charge of the murder of David Byrne at the Regency Hotel in February 2016.
One woman in her late 50s walking on Summerhill Parade said it was a "a great thing" as Hutch "wasn't involved".
"He had absolutely nothing to do with that. The dogs in the street know that. He wasn't even in the country. But they've been out to get him, dying to get him since the Brinks robbery," she said, referring to his alleged involvement in the 1995 robbery of £2.8 million from the Brinks Allied depot in Dublin.
"And the state of the poor man coming out [of the court] yesterday. I says to myself when I seen that: 'He'll go and get a nice haircut and his beard shaved off and he'll be grand'.