Gym

[gallsman]

The question was about strength, not power, or the GAA so how much you bat your eyelids at Michael Darragh and the boys in the gym is really irrelevant. The numbers mentioned are perfectly feasible for the average Joe, in my opinion, and achievable with some basic coaching in technique and a sensible training programme. Disagree if you want, but if you're going to, maybe learn what Olympic lifting is before giving off about it...

[manfromdelmonte]

training for GAA should be all about the transfer of strength into speed and power
sprint, jumping, landing and moving
without strength you have no speed or power.

If snatching isn't relevant to the GAA, then why is one of the principles of snatching (overhead squat) used as part of the Functional Screening tests used by most sports?

And also, I beat the squat and deadlift targets set here by gallsman quite comfortably. go me.
but not the bench. but that is because it is a pretty useless exercise for GAA sports.

[Milltown Row2]

The question was about strength, not power, or the GAA so how much you bat your eyelids at Michael Darragh and the boys in the gym is really irrelevant. The numbers mentioned are perfectly feasible for the average Joe, in my opinion, and achievable with some basic coaching in technique and a sensible training programme. Disagree if you want, but if you're going to, maybe learn what Olympic lifting is before giving off about it...

Look anything is achievable if you train for it. But to incorporating it into training for intercounty training and having a job and family is completely unrealistic.... You need to concentrate on a discipline and if that's your goal then fine.... But most people want fitness and have a bitta tone about them... Doing olympics lifting while in your forties plus (in my book) is silly.

Why players don't hone in on the basic skills and improve on the higher skills then the game would look better!! Gym monkeys are killing in and stopping players from having longer playing careers at the top!!

[manfromdelmonte]

The question was about strength, not power, or the GAA so how much you bat your eyelids at Michael Darragh and the boys in the gym is really irrelevant. The numbers mentioned are perfectly feasible for the average Joe, in my opinion, and achievable with some basic coaching in technique and a sensible training programme. Disagree if you want, but if you're going to, maybe learn what Olympic lifting is before giving off about it...

Look anything is achievable if you train for it. But to incorporating it into training for intercounty training and having a job and family is completely unrealistic.... You need to concentrate on a discipline and if that's your goal then fine.... But most people want fitness and have a bitta tone about them... Doing olympics lifting while in your forties plus (in my book) is silly.

Why players don't hone in on the basic skills and improve on the higher skills then the game would look better!! Gym monkeys are killing in and stopping players from having longer playing careers at the top!!

that is not the case at all
if a fella who does olympic lifting meets a fella who is looking for some 'tone', I know who will be left on their arse

I would argue that a proper strength training program would keep a player able to play the game much longer and injury free (with sensible programming)
but overuse injuries are the biggest challenge
a big issue is the amount of idiots out there doing S&C programs with both clubs and county teams and players off doing their own thing without adequate knowledge of why they are doing the exercises

and that most players and coaches don't know when to just take a few days or a week off to let the body rest.
rest is a wonderful thing

[Milltown Row2]

The question was about strength, not power, or the GAA so how much you bat your eyelids at Michael Darragh and the boys in the gym is really irrelevant. The numbers mentioned are perfectly feasible for the average Joe, in my opinion, and achievable with some basic coaching in technique and a sensible training programme. Disagree if you want, but if you're going to, maybe learn what Olympic lifting is before giving off about it...

Look anything is achievable if you train for it. But to incorporating it into training for intercounty training and having a job and family is completely unrealistic.... You need to concentrate on a discipline and if that's your goal then fine.... But most people want fitness and have a bitta tone about them... Doing olympics lifting while in your forties plus (in my book) is silly.

Why players don't hone in on the basic skills and improve on the higher skills then the game would look better!! Gym monkeys are killing in and stopping players from having longer playing careers at the top!!

that is not the case at all
if a fella who does olympic lifting meets a fella who is looking for some 'tone', I know who will be left on their arse

I would argue that a proper strength training program would keep a player able to play the game much longer and injury free (with sensible programming)
but overuse injuries are the biggest challenge
a big issue is the amount of idiots out there doing S&C programs with both clubs and county teams and players off doing their own thing without adequate knowledge of why they are doing the exercises

and that most players and coaches don't know when to just take a few days or a week off to let the body rest.
rest is a wonderful thing

Its an amateur sport, a pastime if you like that people do...i feel there is too much emphasis on S&C .... My club won an All Ireland without S&C... Hard f**king slog , sweat and tears ,  a hint of skill and luck ... None of it done at the gym..

[manfromdelmonte]

The question was about strength, not power, or the GAA so how much you bat your eyelids at Michael Darragh and the boys in the gym is really irrelevant. The numbers mentioned are perfectly feasible for the average Joe, in my opinion, and achievable with some basic coaching in technique and a sensible training programme. Disagree if you want, but if you're going to, maybe learn what Olympic lifting is before giving off about it...

Look anything is achievable if you train for it. But to incorporating it into training for intercounty training and having a job and family is completely unrealistic.... You need to concentrate on a discipline and if that's your goal then fine.... But most people want fitness and have a bitta tone about them... Doing olympics lifting while in your forties plus (in my book) is silly.

Why players don't hone in on the basic skills and improve on the higher skills then the game would look better!! Gym monkeys are killing in and stopping players from having longer playing careers at the top!!

that is not the case at all
if a fella who does olympic lifting meets a fella who is looking for some 'tone', I know who will be left on their arse

I would argue that a proper strength training program would keep a player able to play the game much longer and injury free (with sensible programming)
but overuse injuries are the biggest challenge
a big issue is the amount of idiots out there doing S&C programs with both clubs and county teams and players off doing their own thing without adequate knowledge of why they are doing the exercises

and that most players and coaches don't know when to just take a few days or a week off to let the body rest.
rest is a wonderful thing

Its an amateur sport, a pastime if you like that people do...i feel there is too much emphasis on S&C .... My club won an All Ireland without S&C... Hard f**king slog , sweat and tears ,  a hint of skill and luck ... None of it done at the gym..

I agree about the amateur part, lads are free to walk away if they want.
However, it is a human condition to try and be the best you can be and seek every advantage that will you better than your opponent.

The way the rules have been framed and implemented in football its all about huge power and mobility around the field, in hurling means it is now all about large powerful players breaking the tackle

[Longshanks]

Think it also has to do with where you play on the pitch too, I think full-backs or anyone is the defensive half works would maybe work harder in the gym to have that bigger build so they have the strengh when it comes to the tackle.Your typical full forward line would be concentrating more on speed and skill although this is very stereotypical obviously.

There is arguments to be made for both sides but I think anyone now playing football at any sort of decent level needs to be doing some sort of strengh and conditioning or just working out in general in the gym.

[DuffleKing]

The question was about strength, not power, or the GAA so how much you bat your eyelids at Michael Darragh and the boys in the gym is really irrelevant. The numbers mentioned are perfectly feasible for the average Joe, in my opinion, and achievable with some basic coaching in technique and a sensible training programme. Disagree if you want, but if you're going to, maybe learn what Olympic lifting is before giving off about it...

Look anything is achievable if you train for it. But to incorporating it into training for intercounty training and having a job and family is completely unrealistic.... You need to concentrate on a discipline and if that's your goal then fine.... But most people want fitness and have a bitta tone about them... Doing olympics lifting while in your forties plus (in my book) is silly.

Why players don't hone in on the basic skills and improve on the higher skills then the game would look better!! Gym monkeys are killing in and stopping players from having longer playing careers at the top!!

that is not the case at all
if a fella who does olympic lifting meets a fella who is looking for some 'tone', I know who will be left on their arse

I would argue that a proper strength training program would keep a player able to play the game much longer and injury free (with sensible programming)
but overuse injuries are the biggest challenge
a big issue is the amount of idiots out there doing S&C programs with both clubs and county teams and players off doing their own thing without adequate knowledge of why they are doing the exercises

and that most players and coaches don't know when to just take a few days or a week off to let the body rest.
rest is a wonderful thing

Its an amateur sport, a pastime if you like that people do...i feel there is too much emphasis on S&C .... My club won an All Ireland without S&C... Hard f**king slog , sweat and tears ,  a hint of skill and luck ... None of it done at the gym..

Jesus wept. I hope you're not coaching...

[INDIANA]

The question was about strength, not power, or the GAA so how much you bat your eyelids at Michael Darragh and the boys in the gym is really irrelevant. The numbers mentioned are perfectly feasible for the average Joe, in my opinion, and achievable with some basic coaching in technique and a sensible training programme. Disagree if you want, but if you're going to, maybe learn what Olympic lifting is before giving off about it...

I do disagree and I don't need any lessons in Olympic Lifting- I'm an expert in the area.

Weight training for gym numbers to play Gaelic Football is complete bullshit and anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't a clue.

Power and speed. Lifting heavy weights on a consistent basis is absolutely useless for playing Gaelic Football.

During the season if your programme isn't 70 % RPM with plyometrics as a significant part of it then you're training incorrectly

[Tony Baloney]

The question was about strength, not power, or the GAA so how much you bat your eyelids at Michael Darragh and the boys in the gym is really irrelevant. The numbers mentioned are perfectly feasible for the average Joe, in my opinion, and achievable with some basic coaching in technique and a sensible training programme. Disagree if you want, but if you're going to, maybe learn what Olympic lifting is before giving off about it...

I do disagree and I don't need any lessons in Olympic Lifting- I'm an expert in the area.

Weight training for gym numbers to play Gaelic Football is complete bullshit and anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't a clue.

Power and speed. Lifting heavy weights on a consistent basis is absolutely useless for playing Gaelic Football.

During the season if your programme isn't 70 % RPM with plyometrics as a significant part of it then you're training incorrectly

That should be your strapline for every topic.

[INDIANA]

training for GAA should be all about the transfer of strength into speed and power
sprint, jumping, landing and moving
without strength you have no speed or power.

If snatching isn't relevant to the GAA, then why is one of the principles of snatching (overhead squat) used as part of the Functional Screening tests used by most sports?

And also, I beat the squat and deadlift targets set here by gallsman quite comfortably. go me.
but not the bench. but that is because it is a pretty useless exercise for GAA sports.

Hang clean and deadlifts are the two best exercises by a mile. Snatch I can't see the relevance I'm afraid.

Front squat much better then back squat. 80% of people do the back squat incorrectly and end up with significant lower back problems in later life. Barry Solan for example puts most of his players doing the front squat for that reason ( but what would Barry know compared to some of the resident experts here)

Can you kick the ball well with both feet Del Monte? If you're spending that much time in the gym beating those numbers the likelihood is you can't.

The higher up the grades you go skill becomes more important then weights

[gallsman]

The question was about strength, not power, or the GAA so how much you bat your eyelids at Michael Darragh and the boys in the gym is really irrelevant. The numbers mentioned are perfectly feasible for the average Joe, in my opinion, and achievable with some basic coaching in technique and a sensible training programme. Disagree if you want, but if you're going to, maybe learn what Olympic lifting is before giving off about it...

I do disagree and I don't need any lessons in Olympic Lifting- I'm an expert in the area.

Well in that case, you might want to figure out that squats and deadlifts aren't Olympic lifts.

[INDIANA]

The question was about strength, not power, or the GAA so how much you bat your eyelids at Michael Darragh and the boys in the gym is really irrelevant. The numbers mentioned are perfectly feasible for the average Joe, in my opinion, and achievable with some basic coaching in technique and a sensible training programme. Disagree if you want, but if you're going to, maybe learn what Olympic lifting is before giving off about it...

I do disagree and I don't need any lessons in Olympic Lifting- I'm an expert in the area.

Well in that case, you might want to figure out that squats and deadlifts aren't Olympic lifts.

Semantics in fairness.

[Franko]

Jesus all you S&C gurus have turned this thread into a right dick measuring competition.

[Tony Baloney]

Jesus all you S&C gurus have turned this thread into a right dick measuring competition.

Indiana definitely the biggest dick.