Kerry V Tyrone Fodder AISF 23rd August 2015

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Here's the Stats from yesterday.  Tyrone won 1 more kickout of their own than Kerry but importantly doesn't show how many they lost.  Kerry though created more scoring chances and were better at converting them than Tyrone, but only marginally in terms of % wise both around the 50% conversion rate.  Same amount of wides.  Kerry better at the frees.  Tyrone better at the turnovers but only just.  If you look at this you can see that Kerry were the better side.  They were comfortable up to the penalty and that gave Tyrone a bit of hope, but Kerry were never losing it.  More clinical, simple as that.

[JoG2]

They allowed/were powerless to stop Tyrone creating chances that if they had been taken would have won Tyrone the game. The way I see it is that we had them at our mercy but we just weren't ruthless enough, I hope we learn a lot from that today and we don't see the same mistakes repeating themselves next year.

And kerry missed no chances did they?

if you reverse the arguement you are making you could say that IF kerry took the chances they created they would have won by 8 points!

It's a ridiculous arguement. Kerry took more of their chances and deservedly won the game.

There's no if about them, those chances were created and missed. We had 4 goal openings that only yielded two points and that's not counting the penalty and penalty claim.

We missed 6 or 7 scorable frees, they happened.

Kerry had no sightings on goal all game long.

are you Omaghjoe?

[Il Bomber Destro]

Here's the Stats from yesterday.  Tyrone won 1 more kickout of their own than Kerry but importantly doesn't show how many they lost.  Kerry though created more scoring chances and were better at converting them than Tyrone, but only marginally in terms of % wise both around the 50% conversion rate.  Same amount of wides.  Kerry better at the frees.  Tyrone better at the turnovers but only just.  If you look at this you can see that Kerry were the better side.  They were comfortable up to the penalty and that gave Tyrone a bit of hope, but Kerry were never losing it.  More clinical, simple as that.

The difference is 4 of our scoring chances were goal chances so your stats are misleading. We had 4 goal chances and Kerry had none.

So add an extra 8 points onto chances created and that leaves Tyrone 27 to Kerry's 24.

[macdanger2]

Tyrone won 1 more kickout of their own than Kerry but importantly doesn't show how many they lost. 

Kerry scored 18 points + 9 wides = 27 kickouts for Tyrone so you're looking at Tryone winning 63% (17/27) of their kickouts compared to Kerry who had 12 + 9 = 21 kickouts, winning 76% of those

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Tyrone won 1 more kickout of their own than Kerry but importantly doesn't show how many they lost. 

Kerry scored 18 points + 9 wides = 27 kickouts for Tyrone so you're looking at Tryone winning 63% (17/27) of their kickouts compared to Kerry who had 12 + 9 = 21 kickouts, winning 76% of those

Here's the Stats from yesterday.  Tyrone won 1 more kickout of their own than Kerry but importantly doesn't show how many they lost.  Kerry though created more scoring chances and were better at converting them than Tyrone, but only marginally in terms of % wise both around the 50% conversion rate.  Same amount of wides.  Kerry better at the frees.  Tyrone better at the turnovers but only just.  If you look at this you can see that Kerry were the better side.  They were comfortable up to the penalty and that gave Tyrone a bit of hope, but Kerry were never losing it.  More clinical, simple as that.

The difference is 4 of our scoring chances were goal chances so your stats are misleading. We had 4 goal chances and Kerry had none.

So add an extra 8 points onto chances created and that leaves Tyrone 27 to Kerry's 24.

But you didn't take them!!!  Get over it son,  youse were beaten by a better team. 

Tyrone won 1 more kickout of their own than Kerry but importantly doesn't show how many they lost. 

Kerry scored 18 points + 9 wides = 27 kickouts for Tyrone so you're looking at Tryone winning 63% (17/27) of their kickouts compared to Kerry who had 12 + 9 = 21 kickouts, winning 76% of those

Good maths Mac,  monday and all that!!  Telling though that they lost 10 of their own kickouts,  criminal stuff that.

[Il Bomber Destro]

Tyrone won 1 more kickout of their own than Kerry but importantly doesn't show how many they lost. 

Kerry scored 18 points + 9 wides = 27 kickouts for Tyrone so you're looking at Tryone winning 63% (17/27) of their kickouts compared to Kerry who had 12 + 9 = 21 kickouts, winning 76% of those

Here's the Stats from yesterday.  Tyrone won 1 more kickout of their own than Kerry but importantly doesn't show how many they lost.  Kerry though created more scoring chances and were better at converting them than Tyrone, but only marginally in terms of % wise both around the 50% conversion rate.  Same amount of wides.  Kerry better at the frees.  Tyrone better at the turnovers but only just.  If you look at this you can see that Kerry were the better side.  They were comfortable up to the penalty and that gave Tyrone a bit of hope, but Kerry were never losing it.  More clinical, simple as that.

The difference is 4 of our scoring chances were goal chances so your stats are misleading. We had 4 goal chances and Kerry had none.

So add an extra 8 points onto chances created and that leaves Tyrone 27 to Kerry's 24.

But you didn't take them!!!  Get over it son,  youse were beaten by a better team. 

Tyrone won 1 more kickout of their own than Kerry but importantly doesn't show how many they lost. 

Kerry scored 18 points + 9 wides = 27 kickouts for Tyrone so you're looking at Tryone winning 63% (17/27) of their kickouts compared to Kerry who had 12 + 9 = 21 kickouts, winning 76% of those

Good maths Mac,  monday and all that!!  Telling though that they lost 10 of their own kickouts,  criminal stuff that.

Well you need to settle on argument first. Tyrone had the more chances, the better chances but let Kerry off the hook. In reality they were at our mercy, there is definitely regret there in the fact we didn't take our chances but it was a case of us having Kerry at our mercy and just not having that ruthlessness.

We let Kerry away with it.

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Here's the Stats from yesterday.  Tyrone won 1 more kickout of their own than Kerry but importantly doesn't show how many they lost. Kerry though created more scoring chances and were better at converting them than Tyrone, but only marginally in terms of % wise both around the 50% conversion rate.  Same amount of wides.  Kerry better at the frees.  Tyrone better at the turnovers but only just.  If you look at this you can see that Kerry were the better side.  They were comfortable up to the penalty and that gave Tyrone a bit of hope, but Kerry were never losing it.  More clinical, simple as that.

Kerry had 18 scores and 9 wides so that makes 27 kickouts for Tyrone so 10 won by Kerry. Was there one over the sideline? Could count that as a Kerry win I suppose

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Right you let Kerry away with it,  are you happy now?  Who are Tyrone playing on the 20th September?

[westbound]

Tyrone won 1 more kickout of their own than Kerry but importantly doesn't show how many they lost. 

Kerry scored 18 points + 9 wides = 27 kickouts for Tyrone so you're looking at Tryone winning 63% (17/27) of their kickouts compared to Kerry who had 12 + 9 = 21 kickouts, winning 76% of those

Here's the Stats from yesterday.  Tyrone won 1 more kickout of their own than Kerry but importantly doesn't show how many they lost.  Kerry though created more scoring chances and were better at converting them than Tyrone, but only marginally in terms of % wise both around the 50% conversion rate.  Same amount of wides.  Kerry better at the frees.  Tyrone better at the turnovers but only just.  If you look at this you can see that Kerry were the better side.  They were comfortable up to the penalty and that gave Tyrone a bit of hope, but Kerry were never losing it.  More clinical, simple as that.

The difference is 4 of our scoring chances were goal chances so your stats are misleading. We had 4 goal chances and Kerry had none.

So add an extra 8 points onto chances created and that leaves Tyrone 27 to Kerry's 24.

But you didn't take them!!!  Get over it son,  youse were beaten by a better team. 

Tyrone won 1 more kickout of their own than Kerry but importantly doesn't show how many they lost. 

Kerry scored 18 points + 9 wides = 27 kickouts for Tyrone so you're looking at Tryone winning 63% (17/27) of their kickouts compared to Kerry who had 12 + 9 = 21 kickouts, winning 76% of those

Good maths Mac,  monday and all that!!  Telling though that they lost 10 of their own kickouts,  criminal stuff that.

Well you need to settle on argument first. Tyrone had the more chances, the better chances but let Kerry off the hook. In reality they were at our mercy, there is definitely regret there in the fact we didn't take our chances but it was a case of us having Kerry at our mercy and just not having that ruthlessness.

We let Kerry away with it.

What exactly is your point?
You had chances, you weren't good enough to take your chances, kerry were better at taking their chances (although they missed chances too), scored more and won the game.

Keep in mind too, that of the 4 goal chances (I can only remember 3 but I believe you!) two were blocked/saved - one by marc oSe and one by kealy. So you could argue good defending by kerry (albeit last ditch defending).

I would that there has never been a game yet where the losing team cannot point out chances that if they had taken they could have won the game!

[Il Bomber Destro]

Tyrone won 1 more kickout of their own than Kerry but importantly doesn't show how many they lost. 

Kerry scored 18 points + 9 wides = 27 kickouts for Tyrone so you're looking at Tryone winning 63% (17/27) of their kickouts compared to Kerry who had 12 + 9 = 21 kickouts, winning 76% of those

Here's the Stats from yesterday.  Tyrone won 1 more kickout of their own than Kerry but importantly doesn't show how many they lost.  Kerry though created more scoring chances and were better at converting them than Tyrone, but only marginally in terms of % wise both around the 50% conversion rate.  Same amount of wides.  Kerry better at the frees.  Tyrone better at the turnovers but only just.  If you look at this you can see that Kerry were the better side.  They were comfortable up to the penalty and that gave Tyrone a bit of hope, but Kerry were never losing it.  More clinical, simple as that.

The difference is 4 of our scoring chances were goal chances so your stats are misleading. We had 4 goal chances and Kerry had none.

So add an extra 8 points onto chances created and that leaves Tyrone 27 to Kerry's 24.

But you didn't take them!!!  Get over it son,  youse were beaten by a better team. 

Tyrone won 1 more kickout of their own than Kerry but importantly doesn't show how many they lost. 

Kerry scored 18 points + 9 wides = 27 kickouts for Tyrone so you're looking at Tryone winning 63% (17/27) of their kickouts compared to Kerry who had 12 + 9 = 21 kickouts, winning 76% of those

Good maths Mac,  monday and all that!!  Telling though that they lost 10 of their own kickouts,  criminal stuff that.

Well you need to settle on argument first. Tyrone had the more chances, the better chances but let Kerry off the hook. In reality they were at our mercy, there is definitely regret there in the fact we didn't take our chances but it was a case of us having Kerry at our mercy and just not having that ruthlessness.

We let Kerry away with it.

What exactly is your point?
You had chances, you weren't good enough to take your chances, kerry were better at taking their chances (although they missed chances too), scored more and won the game.

Keep in mind too, that of the 4 goal chances (I can only remember 3 but I believe you!) two were blocked/saved - one by marc oSe and one by kealy. So you could argue good defending by kerry (albeit last ditch defending).

I would that there has never been a game yet where the losing team cannot point out chances that if they had taken they could have won the game!

Im saying it's our own fault we lost rather than Kerry out classing us. I thought we definitely had the beating of them yesterday but shot ourselves in the football. People are speaking as if Kerry were on another level to us yesterday but the truth is we had them beaten if we had that little bit more composure and clinical finishing.

Very disappointing.

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There was also an incident right under the Hogan at the Hill end in the first half where there was a loose ball McCrory was going down on and Walsh came in and kicked the ball when he was going down on it, right in front of Deegan who waved play on.

Then there was a free given to O'Donoghue right at the start of the second half for which he took a dive when McCarron didn't touch him.

Saying Kerry were clearly the better team is like the opinion of someone who didn't watch the game.

If Tyrone's free takers were on their game, we win that match.

If Tyrone take their goal chances, we win that match.

If Deegan does his job, we win that match.

If Morgan doesn't have a meltdown, we win that match.

I have no complaints about the result, we have ourselves to blame for that but the idea that Kerry were superior to us on the day is nonsense. We threw it away.

IF Carlow had the best 25 players in the country they'd win Sam

If there hadn't been a drop of rain in the replay, shure wouldnt it be Cork in the final now......

A lot of Tyrone folk going on about their missed chances/mistakes - Kerry missed a fair few chances and made a lot of mistakes as well - they had some bad wides and hit the post and a lot of the half-goal chances were partly as a result of Kerry mistakes.

[SkillfulBill]

I can not complain about the result yesterday. Kerry won the game because they are a composed team of All Ireland winners who didnt panic when the game was in the melting pot. They were more clinical with the chances provided to them and like all good champions they knew to be cynical when needed hats of to them the better team on the day.
The one question i have from yesterdays game is what are we teaching our you players when it comes to looking for the killer strike. All good county forwards need to have the natural instinct that they first look for the goal opportunity before the point. Skeet should have instinctively passed that ball to mccurry without having to make any decision he didnt. Gooch, Canavan, ONeill and Mugsy that pass is second nature. Young Brennan strikes me as that instinctive player which we require to win these big games.

Deegans decisions had a much lesser impact on the game than Tyrones inability to capitalise on gilt edge goal chances.

Best of Luck to Kerry in the final but I would dearly love to see Mayo make the break through no county in Ireland would deserve a little piece of luck than them.

[SimonSays]

Tyrone you were beaten, get over it. This nonsence is the reason no one likes you. in any match in any competition it the teams with the most points win. to say our free takers werent on form,,,,whose fault is that? if your free taker cant handle the pressure then tough luck get a better one who can. Donegal were beaten by mayo not one peep out of them they took it like men . Tyrone feel the world is against them thats bull.. Maurice Deegan did not get out of bed on sunday morning and receive a call from croke park telling him that Tyrone have to go out today because we dont like them...Im from the North and i think the whole thing is just silly....Message to Tyrone  Cut out the crap,,,play like Men , win like Men and lose like Men.

[Il Bomber Destro]

I have said from the outset we only have ourselves to blame. We lost because we didn't take our chances, our fault. But some of the take on events on here are far removed from reality, we were far from being outclassed or well beaten. We had the winning of that game but spurned the opportunities. We should have won but the blame lies with ourselves.

[AZOffaly]

I don't think anyone is saying ye were outclassed. Everyone seems to agree ye had chances, but didn't take them. What people are saying is that , largely due to ye not taking yer chances, Kerry weren't ever really panicked. I think all of that is true.