Kerry V Tyrone Fodder AISF 23rd August 2015

[Bingo]

Common problem with GAA fans at all levels is that they seek to attach blame elsewhere when defeated. We got a hammering yesterday in our club championship, a tanking. We got home from the game and the missus asked the wee lad how did the game go and he said we got beat but it was the refs fault! A pet hate of mine and I pulled him on it and he explained about an incident in the second half when we had a half hearted penalty shout, certainly seen them given and not given. But in greater scheme of things we'd likely have played the peno short or dropped it into the keepers hands. Bingo Jnr is 7 and I'm determined to get this blame culture out of him. Not even sure how much of the game he watched as I was on the sideline and he was with his uncle in crowd before disappearing with his wee buddies to play football on any space they could find. But he saw this incident and that was enough for him. It was the refs fault.

Seems to be a very similar approach on this thread and many threads on matches. Most post match conversations will revolve round the ref doing a team out of the win or the match been won despite the ref.

Tyrone had plenty of chances yesterday to win that game, goals are big scores but they aren't always taken and the miss isn't always the forwards fault - a great block and a great save yesterday stopped two of them. Missed frees lose games as well and Tyrone racked up a few of them. Individual battles round the field can win or lose games. Kerry obviously worked hard and bottled up key Tyrone players - Cavanagh, Donnelly and Harte. Tyrone have excelled at this themselves. Several times yesterday we see the Tyrone corner backs on the ball in dangerous positions in the Kerry half, obviously Kerry had the right men on the ball in the right places. The odd time a corner back will drive in a great ball, score a screamer but majority of the time they'll slow play, play it safe, kick it wide or play a 50/50 ball. Tyrone where excellent against Monaghan in letting these type of players have all the ball in world.

Certain things of Tyrone gameplan worked - mainly running hard down the middle but they just didn't get enough possession to do this enough. And Kerrys kicking game seem to stifle this. They moved the ball early and by foot, stretching Tyrone and making it hard on Tyrone to force turnovers. When they did get players isolated and slowed down they really forced the turnovers. But this didn't happen enough - Kerry could so long to Donaghy/Geaney or wide to Cooper or JOD. Then the possession for their own kick outs didn't happen either.

Kerry where good value for the win I thought, always seemed to have a change of gear or more options.

Game was lost on the field by the players. Tyrone have had a great year (bar relegation which mightn't be too bad, they'll be strong and can continue to work in new players and maybe rest the older guard for the summer) and with experience and a few changes will be back at that stage regularly in the future. Ulster should be their for the taking for them next year.

Kerry won't give up their crown too easily and will fear no one.

(Work colleague just telling me about the Junior B final they lost on Friday night, lost by 4 but the ref cheated them out of it!  )

[AZOffaly]

I'm with you on that one mac. It was a poster child for the black card. Player breaking away in the middle of the field. Defender comes in, grabs him and pulls him down.

[highorlow]

Anthony Maher's score, when level, was the biggest score of the game for me. Fabulous point and gave Kerry the momentum back, and they didnt let it slip again

+1, it was one of those where he almost had too much time. Great second half display, should have been shortlisted for the MOTM.

[INDIANA]

There was also an incident right under the Hogan at the Hill end in the first half where there was a loose ball McCrory was going down on and Walsh came in and kicked the ball when he was going down on it, right in front of Deegan who waved play on.

Then there was a free given to O'Donoghue right at the start of the second half for which he took a dive when McCarron didn't touch him.

Saying Kerry were clearly the better team is like the opinion of someone who didn't watch the game.

If Tyrone's free takers were on their game, we win that match.

If Tyrone take their goal chances, we win that match.

If Deegan does his job, we win that match.

If Morgan doesn't have a meltdown, we win that match.

I have no complaints about the result, we have ourselves to blame for that but the idea that Kerry were superior to us on the day is nonsense. We threw it away.

IF Carlow had the best 25 players in the country they'd win Sam

I'm struggling to remember a county making up so many excuses for losing a game . At no stage did Tyrone look like winning. Execution wasn't there

[general_lee]

That's the difference between Tyrone's forwards today and O'Neill, Canavan etc. Any sniff of a goal and there'd be no question as to where the ball would end up. Canavan would have certainly passed to the man in the better position. Selflessness is the difference between a good forward and a great forward.

[AZOffaly]

That's the difference between Tyrone's forwards today and O'Neill, Canavan etc. Any sniff of a goal and there'd be no question as to where the ball would end up. Canavan would have certainly passed to the man in the better position. Selflessness is the difference between a good forward and a great forward.

Decision making. Sometimes going yourself is the correct decision. Canavan took the right option more often than not. Kerry's forwards do too.

[Il Bomber Destro]

Kerry were reliant on their opponents not taking their chances yesterday and that was the bottom line, if you think in spite of that they were the better team then so be it.

[grounded]

Splitting hairs. Ye certainly didn't hand it to them though, in my opinion. It was level with 10 minutes or so to go, and Kerry stayed calm and got some very good scores. That's to their credit in fairness.

Anthony Maher's score, when level, was the biggest score of the game for me. Fabulous point and gave Kerry the momentum back, and they didnt let it slip again
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Yes it really settled kerry nerves. Watching it on replay he seemed to ghost forward without anyone marking hIm which was unusual given how tight Tyrone's marking had been. Saying that it was a pressure kick and he definitely took it well. It's funny how different people see games and individual players performances. For me because of the way the game was played it wasn't a conventional midfield contest. So naturally enough players like David moran didn't seem to shine although he got through a lot of work. Same goes for the other midfielders on display with colm cavanagh putting in the hardest shift of all of them.
           

[JoG2]

Kerry were reliant on their opponents not taking their chances yesterday and that was the bottom line, if you think in spite of that they were the better team then so be it.

emm, or maybe Kerry were better at taking their chances ie the better team ?

[north aontroim gael]

Kerry were reliant on their opponents not taking their chances yesterday and that was the bottom line, if you think in spite of that they were the better team then so be it.

Kerry had the ability & composure to take their chances. Tyrone didn't.  I think that makes them the better team.

If the 2 teams played 10 times I'd expect Kerry to win on 7/8 occasions. Tyrone needed to get a few goals and have serious performances from Peter Harte, Sean Cavanagh & Mattie Donnelly to win but it never happened.  Tyrone are a young team though & will come on a lot for the experience.

[Il Bomber Destro]

They allowed/were powerless to stop Tyrone creating chances that if they had been taken would have won Tyrone the game. The way I see it is that we had them at our mercy but we just weren't ruthless enough, I hope we learn a lot from that today and we don't see the same mistakes repeating themselves next year.

[general_lee]

That's the difference between Tyrone's forwards today and O'Neill, Canavan etc. Any sniff of a goal and there'd be no question as to where the ball would end up. Canavan would have certainly passed to the man in the better position. Selflessness is the difference between a good forward and a great forward.

Decision making. Sometimes going yourself is the correct decision. Canavan took the right option more often than not. Kerry's forwards do too.

Exactly. People saying the gooch was quiet yesterday but sometimes setting up and creating scores goes unnoticed.

[westbound]

They allowed/were powerless to stop Tyrone creating chances that if they had been taken would have won Tyrone the game. The way I see it is that we had them at our mercy but we just weren't ruthless enough, I hope we learn a lot from that today and we don't see the same mistakes repeating themselves next year.

And kerry missed no chances did they?

if you reverse the arguement you are making you could say that IF kerry took the chances they created they would have won by 8 points!

It's a ridiculous arguement. Kerry took more of their chances and deservedly won the game.

[BennyHarp]

There was also an incident right under the Hogan at the Hill end in the first half where there was a loose ball McCrory was going down on and Walsh came in and kicked the ball when he was going down on it, right in front of Deegan who waved play on.

Then there was a free given to O'Donoghue right at the start of the second half for which he took a dive when McCarron didn't touch him.

Saying Kerry were clearly the better team is like the opinion of someone who didn't watch the game.

If Tyrone's free takers were on their game, we win that match.

If Tyrone take their goal chances, we win that match.

If Deegan does his job, we win that match.

If Morgan doesn't have a meltdown, we win that match.

I have no complaints about the result, we have ourselves to blame for that but the idea that Kerry were superior to us on the day is nonsense. We threw it away.

IF Carlow had the best 25 players in the country they'd win Sam

I'm struggling to remember a county making up so many excuses for losing a game . At no stage did Tyrone look like winning. Execution wasn't there

For once I agree with you. Ultimately we can really only blame ourselves for the the poor execution of chances that we created. But I think every single county bemoans missed opportunities, poor ref decisions and key points in the game which went against them in the hours and days after a big defeat. We'll see how the Dubs react if Mayo win next week, sure some of you are still blaming the rain and Steven O'Neill for 2008. 

When the dust settles I think most Tyrone fans will be happy with being All Ireland U21 champions and making the AI semi final and the difference between this year and 2013 is that there is a real sense that this is the beginning of something good with a younger age profile and plenty of lads with underage AI medals chomping at the bit to get involved.

[Il Bomber Destro]

They allowed/were powerless to stop Tyrone creating chances that if they had been taken would have won Tyrone the game. The way I see it is that we had them at our mercy but we just weren't ruthless enough, I hope we learn a lot from that today and we don't see the same mistakes repeating themselves next year.

And kerry missed no chances did they?

if you reverse the arguement you are making you could say that IF kerry took the chances they created they would have won by 8 points!

It's a ridiculous arguement. Kerry took more of their chances and deservedly won the game.

There's no if about them, those chances were created and missed. We had 4 goal openings that only yielded two points and that's not counting the penalty and penalty claim.

We missed 6 or 7 scorable frees, they happened.

Kerry had no sightings on goal all game long.