Kerry V Tyrone Fodder AISF 23rd August 2015

[highorlow]

It said more about Deegan's state of mind

It's a state of mind for all ref's when it comes to Kerry. Whichever of Dublin or Mayo eventually beat them it will have to be by 5 or 6 as the ref's for any Kerry match are worth 3 to 4 points per game. The Cork lads will back that up.

[rosnarun]

Reading the comments here , ive come to the conclusion tyrone have surpassed Mayo as the most delusional fans on the country.
tyrone were well beaten by four points yeaterday.
any time they got close to kerry, kerry went up and got 2 or 3 points and never looked in real trouble save for a minute when tytone go an unwarrented penalty,
They got some bad decision they got some good one same as any team in any other match evet
they general consensus before the game is tyrone would make as match of it but kerry would have too much firepower for them in the end  esp off the bench.
Mucnch it and runch it any way you want but thats exactly what happened
which is exactly what happened

[Estimator]

RTEs agenda paid off handsomely yesterday.  Deegan played a key role in deciding the outcome and his performance ensured the correct result.  Said before the game that Tyrone would not be let win that game unless they were so far ahead that it didnt matter. It became obvious in the 10 minutes before half time. The old Order is well and truly restored.

The victim brigade are out in force again. Deegan issued a black card to Kerry's most experienced defender (who was playing well) 15mins in. Deegan awarded a Tyrone a penalty to bring them back into the game. He changed tack on the swarm tackle when the Tyrone player was in possession, he'd previously blew two frees for over carrying against the Kerry player, when it happened the other way round he give the free to the Tyrone player being tackled. Deegan didn't send McNabb off for his late hit, or issue McMahon with a black card for a trip on Cooper.
Deegan got decisions wrong for both teams.

Deegan didn't take any frees for Tyrone, he didn't take any of the kick outs, he didn't fluff 4 decent goalscoring opportunities, he didn't get McCrory on the end of two good moves that should have resulted in scores.

But blaming Deegan nicely deflects from Tyrones performance. It also fits the narrative nicely for you boys about the big bad southerners not letting Tyrone win.

[INDIANA]

Reading the comments here , ive come to the conclusion tyrone have surpassed Mayo as the most delusional fans on the country.
tyrone were well beaten by four points yeaterday.
any time they got close to kerry, kerry went up and got 2 or 3 points and never looked in real trouble save for a minute when tytone go an unwarrented penalty,
They got some bad decision they got some good one same as any team in any other match evet
they general consensus before the game is tyrone would make as match of it but kerry would have too much firepower for them in the end  esp off the bench.
Mucnch it and runch it any way you want but thats exactly what happened
which is exactly what happened

That's exactly how I saw the game . Tyrone were hanging on for dear life and after 55 mins had been declared clinically dead until the penalty

They should employ Stephen O Neill as a forwards coach or make the forward line watch videos of him scoring goals - entitled " we don't have forwards who can do this anymore "

To win Tyrone needed big games from Donnelly , Harte and Cavanagh . It didn't happen.

Both teams half backines had a nightmare . Thought Mc Curry and Donnelly played well along with the Tyrone full back line . But they had far too many basic errors to win a game like that .

[Il Bomber Destro]

There was also an incident right under the Hogan at the Hill end in the first half where there was a loose ball McCrory was going down on and Walsh came in and kicked the ball when he was going down on it, right in front of Deegan who waved play on.

Then there was a free given to O'Donoghue right at the start of the second half for which he took a dive when McCarron didn't touch him.

Saying Kerry were clearly the better team is like the opinion of someone who didn't watch the game.

If Tyrone's free takers were on their game, we win that match.

If Tyrone take their goal chances, we win that match.

If Deegan does his job, we win that match.

If Morgan doesn't have a meltdown, we win that match.

I have no complaints about the result, we have ourselves to blame for that but the idea that Kerry were superior to us on the day is nonsense. We threw it away.

[AZOffaly]

Indy, do you now accept though, that a team running right up the gut of Kerry will frighten the bejaysus out of them?

[AZOffaly]

There was also an incident right under the Hogan at the Hill end in the first half where there was a loose ball McCrory was going down on and Walsh came in and kicked the ball when he was going down on it, right in front of Deegan who waved play on.

Then there was a free given to O'Donoghue right at the start of the second half for which he took a dive when McCarron didn't touch him.

Saying Kerry were clearly the better team is like the opinion of someone who didn't watch the game.

If Tyrone's free takers were on their game, we win that match.

If Tyrone take their goal chances, we win that match.

If Deegan does his job, we win that match.

If Morgan doesn't have a meltdown, we win that match.

I have no complaints about the result, we have ourselves to blame for that but the idea that Kerry were superior to us on the day is nonsense. We threw it away.

Bomber, Kerry were slightly the better team. Tyrone had chances and could have won it. They also could have done a few things differently and tipped the balance their way. But Kerry always (apart from that period in the 50-60 minute, looked to have that little bit more about them.

[imtommygunn]

Reading the comments here , ive come to the conclusion tyrone have surpassed Mayo as the most delusional fans on the country.
tyrone were well beaten by four points yeaterday.
any time they got close to kerry, kerry went up and got 2 or 3 points and never looked in real trouble save for a minute when tytone go an unwarrented penalty,
They got some bad decision they got some good one same as any team in any other match evet
they general consensus before the game is tyrone would make as match of it but kerry would have too much firepower for them in the end  esp off the bench.
Mucnch it and runch it any way you want but thats exactly what happened
which is exactly what happened

That's exactly how I saw the game . Tyrone were hanging on for dear life and after 55 mins had been declared clinically dead until the penalty

They should employ Stephen O Neill as a forwards coach or make the forward line watch videos of him scoring goals - entitled " we don't have forwards who can do this anymore "

To win Tyrone needed big games from Donnelly , Harte and Cavanagh . It didn't happen.

Both teams half backines had a nightmare . Thought Mc Curry and Donnelly played well along with the Tyrone full back line . But they had far too many basic errors to win a game like that .

It wasn't just because of the penalty though. They were tearing through the middle of the kerry defense and really exposed them for a good sustained period. The second penalty shout seemed to deflate them.

[INDIANA]

Indy, do you now accept though, that a team running right up the gut of Kerry will frighten the bejaysus out of them?

They'll have seen it too though . It will be remedied before the final would be my guess . Still clear favourites in my view

[barelegs]

Reading the comments here , ive come to the conclusion tyrone have surpassed Mayo as the most delusional fans on the country.
tyrone were well beaten by four points yeaterday.
any time they got close to kerry, kerry went up and got 2 or 3 points and never looked in real trouble save for a minute when tytone go an unwarrented penalty,
They got some bad decision they got some good one same as any team in any other match evet
they general consensus before the game is tyrone would make as match of it but kerry would have too much firepower for them in the end  esp off the bench.
Mucnch it and runch it any way you want but thats exactly what happened
which is exactly what happened

That's exactly how I saw the game . Tyrone were hanging on for dear life and after 55 mins had been declared clinically dead until the penalty

They should employ Stephen O Neill as a forwards coach or make the forward line watch videos of him scoring goals - entitled " we don't have forwards who can do this anymore "

To win Tyrone needed big games from Donnelly , Harte and Cavanagh . It didn't happen.

Both teams half backines had a nightmare . Thought Mc Curry and Donnelly played well along with the Tyrone full back line . But they had far too many basic errors to win a game like that .

It wasn't just because of the penalty though. They were tearing through the middle of the kerry defense and really exposed them for a good sustained period. The second penalty shout seemed to deflate them.

The second penalty incident was in the 66th minute. Get the penalty and score, Tyrone would have been two points up with three minutes to play. Fine margins win games.

Four points flatters Kerry a little but they deserved their win. More clinical and composed when the game was there to be won. Tyrone didn't take their chances when they had them after drawing level with 8 minutes to play. Kerry took theirs

[muppet]

I wouldn't be so sure on the penalty. Even after seeing it several times now, I'm still not sure it was a foul. That said, it's a big call to accuse the lad of diving. Maybe the correct call was just play on, and eventually it would be a free out for overcarrying.

As for the others, I thought Marc O'Se's black was on the money, I thought the Tyrone black was wrong, the Enright yellow should have been a black. I thought the Tyrone #5 should have got the line for the late hit on Gooch, and I thought Killian Young was very lucky not to get a black card on the first goal chance Tyrone had when Marc O'Se made the great block.

The lad certainly didnt dive, his momentum meant that when the foul occurred he was trying to stay on his feet and grabbing a jersey can equally be seen as an attempt to stay up.  It said more about Deegan's state of mind that he booked the lad for a clear foul.

Indeed, or an attempt to exchange jerseys early.

The problem is that the rule book thinks it is foul play. If you are trying to buy a penalty, and you are seen grabbing a jersey, it won't be seen as 'an attempt to stay up.' It risks being seen as trying to engineer a penalty.

I thought he had got around O'Mahony and had only the keeper to beat, but he turned away from goal and went down too easily. Would Michael Murphy, Seamus Quigley, Steven O'Neill, Aiden O'Sé, Bernard Brogan or anyone else you can think of, having got around the last defender, have done anything other than try to blast the ball into the net?

[AZOffaly]

Indy, do you now accept though, that a team running right up the gut of Kerry will frighten the bejaysus out of them?

They'll have seen it too though . It will be remedied before the final would be my guess . Still clear favourites in my view

I'm saying this since they played Tipp. It's a structural flaw they have. I don't think they can really fix it without doing something radical and I don't think Fitzmaurice will want to do that.

[Il Bomber Destro]

There was also an incident right under the Hogan at the Hill end in the first half where there was a loose ball McCrory was going down on and Walsh came in and kicked the ball when he was going down on it, right in front of Deegan who waved play on.

Then there was a free given to O'Donoghue right at the start of the second half for which he took a dive when McCarron didn't touch him.

Saying Kerry were clearly the better team is like the opinion of someone who didn't watch the game.

If Tyrone's free takers were on their game, we win that match.

If Tyrone take their goal chances, we win that match.

If Deegan does his job, we win that match.

If Morgan doesn't have a meltdown, we win that match.

I have no complaints about the result, we have ourselves to blame for that but the idea that Kerry were superior to us on the day is nonsense. We threw it away.

Bomber, Kerry were slightly the better team. Tyrone had chances and could have won it. They also could have done a few things differently and tipped the balance their way. But Kerry always (apart from that period in the 50-60 minute, looked to have that little bit more about them.

When it came down to taking their chances then yes they were better than us. I firmly believe if we take our chances we win that game, if Morgan doesn't implode and hand scores to Kerry we win that game, if our free takers are on their game, we win.

And we didn't and in saying all that, we should have a penalty with 4 mins to go to put us two points up.

We left it behind, we had the better chances in that game and looked like we were more creative, Kerry required a good few scores from poor kickouts from Morgan.

[AZOffaly]

Yes, and if my Aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. Being able to take your chances is part of being the better team. All told, Kerry were slightly better. But Tyrone were not, and are not, a million miles off.

[Estimator]

There was also an incident right under the Hogan at the Hill end in the first half where there was a loose ball McCrory was going down on and Walsh came in and kicked the ball when he was going down on it, right in front of Deegan who waved play on.

Then there was a free given to O'Donoghue right at the start of the second half for which he took a dive when McCarron didn't touch him.

Saying Kerry were clearly the better team is like the opinion of someone who didn't watch the game.

If Tyrone's free takers were on their game, we win that match.

If Tyrone take their goal chances, we win that match.

If Deegan does his job, we win that match.

If Morgan doesn't have a meltdown, we win that match.

I have no complaints about the result, we have ourselves to blame for that but the idea that Kerry were superior to us on the day is nonsense. We threw it away.

Bomber, Kerry were slightly the better team. Tyrone had chances and could have won it. They also could have done a few things differently and tipped the balance their way. But Kerry always (apart from that period in the 50-60 minute, looked to have that little bit more about them.

When it came down to taking their chances then yes they were better than us. I firmly believe if we take our chances we win that game, if Morgan doesn't implode and hand scores to Kerry we win that game, if our free takers are on their game, we win.

And we didn't and in saying all that, we should have a penalty with 4 mins to go to put us two points up.

We left it behind, we had the better chances in that game and looked like we were more creative, Kerry required a good few scores from poor kickouts from Morgan.

And Tyrone required a penalty from a very sloppy Kerry pass. We can analysis the ifs and buts all day, both teams got breaks, one team took them, the other didn't.