vegetarians

[seafoid]

Did they actually make it a crime or was it just under discussion?

Plenty of kids are raised vegan/vegetarian with no problems.  Could have been parents who didn't know enough about nutrition on a vegan diet in the cases in Italy.

http://www.eatright.org/resource/food/nutrition/vegetarian-and-special-diets/feeding-vegetarian-and-vegan-infants-and-toddlers

Yeah looks like your right its still waiting to pass.

No one really knows enough about nutrition to allow a child to go vegan, and certainly not in the developing world

Millions of Indians are vegan and they get on fine
Dairy based diets are not natural in huge swathes of the world

Aye cos Indian is a case study for other countries when it comes to a well nourished population

Japan would also work if you want OECD

[omaghjoe]

Did they actually make it a crime or was it just under discussion?

Plenty of kids are raised vegan/vegetarian with no problems.  Could have been parents who didn't know enough about nutrition on a vegan diet in the cases in Italy.

http://www.eatright.org/resource/food/nutrition/vegetarian-and-special-diets/feeding-vegetarian-and-vegan-infants-and-toddlers

Yeah looks like your right its still waiting to pass.

No one really knows enough about nutrition to allow a child to go vegan, and certainly not in the developing world

Millions of Indians are vegan and they get on fine
Dairy based diets are not natural in huge swathes of the world

Aye cos Indian is a case study for other countries when it comes to a well nourished population

Japan would also work if you want OECD

Fish part of vegan diet now is it?

[tonto1888]

I've cut out red meat and may go further. Have been challenged to do the whole of November on a vegan diet. Would like to but not sure I could do it. Anyone on here vegan?

[seafoid]

Did they actually make it a crime or was it just under discussion?

Plenty of kids are raised vegan/vegetarian with no problems.  Could have been parents who didn't know enough about nutrition on a vegan diet in the cases in Italy.

http://www.eatright.org/resource/food/nutrition/vegetarian-and-special-diets/feeding-vegetarian-and-vegan-infants-and-toddlers

Yeah looks like your right its still waiting to pass.

No one really knows enough about nutrition to allow a child to go vegan, and certainly not in the developing world

Millions of Indians are vegan and they get on fine
Dairy based diets are not natural in huge swathes of the world

Aye cos Indian is a case study for other countries when it comes to a well nourished population

Japan would also work if you want OECD

Fish part of vegan diet now is it?

It's not a meat and dairy culture and not everyone eats fish

[Main Street]

I'll take the advice of nutrition experts on this one.

Like this one 
http://www.repubblica.it/salute/alimentazione/2016/08/08/news/vietare_dieta_vegana_ai_figli_l_esperto_espone_a_carenze_e_a_rischi_-145616570/
The Italian Society of Food Science rejecting Savino's  (the reactionary Italian populist politician) assertions, with president Andrea Ghiselli telling La Repubblica that diets containing excessive sugar and fat were of greater concern than the risks of deficiency of a vegan diet.

Wouldn't disagree with that but rather amazingly your leaving out the main point of the article which is that Vegan diets are not suitable for children. 

The nutrition experts also tell us that they are not suitable for adults either and the diet has to be supplemented.

The main point I was making was the expert rebuttal to the nonsense hysteria about the dangers of a vegan diet by one loony politician, a hysteria which you had subscribed to.

[Jell 0 Biafra]

I've cut out red meat and may go further. Have been challenged to do the whole of November on a vegan diet. Would like to but not sure I could do it. Anyone on here vegan?

Mostly vegan the past two years.   Occasional slice of pizza or non-vegan chocolate nowadays are my only cheats (and Guinness).  Been a vegetarian over 20 years.  Missed meat a fair bit most of the first year, but never since.  Learn to cook, find some restaurants with good vegetarian options (asian restaurants are best imo for this) and you won't look back. 

If you want to give it a shot, I would advise doing it gradually.  Allow yourself dairy/eggs, to begin with, say.  If you try to go completely vegan from a meat-based diet, you might find it too much of a change at the start. 

As for that Italian nonsense, I've a nipper who's a veggie too, and he's about twice the size of the rest of the kids his age.   There's plenty of malnutrition cases involving meat eating parents, and no-one is trying to legally ban feeding meat to kids as a result.

[tonto1888]

I've cut out red meat and may go further. Have been challenged to do the whole of November on a vegan diet. Would like to but not sure I could do it. Anyone on here vegan?

Mostly vegan the past two years.   Occasional slice of pizza or non-vegan chocolate nowadays are my only cheats (and Guinness).  Been a vegetarian over 20 years.  Missed meat a fair bit most of the first year, but never since.  Learn to cook, find some restaurants with good vegetarian options (asian restaurants are best imo for this) and you won't look back. 

If you want to give it a shot, I would advise doing it gradually.  Allow yourself dairy/eggs, to begin with, say.  If you try to go completely vegan from a meat-based diet, you might find it too much of a change at the start. 

As for that Italian nonsense, I've a nipper who's a veggie too, and he's about twice the size of the rest of the kids his age.   There's plenty of malnutrition cases involving meat eating parents, and no-one is trying to legally ban feeding meat to kids as a result.

Cheers mate. The challenge is for November so I've a month to cut the rest of the animal products out gradually.

[Main Street]

I'm a veteran vegetarian.
I had a 2 month stint as a vegan when my broken leg was in a cast. Inside the cast, the leg would get hot, itchy and swelled to discomfort levels.
It all boiled down to a reaction to milk / milk products. I immediately cut out all milk, cheese, yoghurts, butter, chocolates,  went the whole hog and took on an adversity towards any sugar and switched to fresh juices, algaes, fatty acids,  soy and nut drinks, salads, cold pressed oils, breads  any grains.
Daily exercise was energy expended using the crutches to move around. After one month the kilos dropped off to 'slim' levels, unbelievable.
Being 192cm tall, I went from 90/95 kg  to about 75 -78kg  36" waist to 34"  Not that that mattered to me but the raised energy levels /stamina were marked.

I suppose it was a relatively easy dietary choice as there was an immediate painful adverse reaction if I didn't follow the vegan path.

[omaghjoe]

I'll take the advice of nutrition experts on this one.

Like this one 
http://www.repubblica.it/salute/alimentazione/2016/08/08/news/vietare_dieta_vegana_ai_figli_l_esperto_espone_a_carenze_e_a_rischi_-145616570/
The Italian Society of Food Science rejecting Savino's  (the reactionary Italian populist politician) assertions, with president Andrea Ghiselli telling La Repubblica that diets containing excessive sugar and fat were of greater concern than the risks of deficiency of a vegan diet.

Wouldn't disagree with that but rather amazingly your leaving out the main point of the article which is that Vegan diets are not suitable for children. 

The nutrition experts also tell us that they are not suitable for adults either and the diet has to be supplemented.

The main point I was making was the expert rebuttal to the nonsense hysteria about the dangers of a vegan diet by one loony politician, a hysteria which you had subscribed to.

What politician is that now? Let me know so I follow him on twitter

The only thing I subscribe to is that a vegan diet is bad for children and not suitable for adults either without like the article said, which you posted.

Animal products have been our most basic food stuff for millennia taking them out of our diets unsurprisingly leads to nutritional problems

Or do you disagree with nutrition experts?

Dont get me wrong if your doing it for "ethical" reasons more power to ye but lets not try and hide behind this "better for health" thing.

[LCohen]

I'll take the advice of nutrition experts on this one.

Like this one 
http://www.repubblica.it/salute/alimentazione/2016/08/08/news/vietare_dieta_vegana_ai_figli_l_esperto_espone_a_carenze_e_a_rischi_-145616570/
The Italian Society of Food Science rejecting Savino's  (the reactionary Italian populist politician) assertions, with president Andrea Ghiselli telling La Repubblica that diets containing excessive sugar and fat were of greater concern than the risks of deficiency of a vegan diet.

Wouldn't disagree with that but rather amazingly your leaving out the main point of the article which is that Vegan diets are not suitable for children. 

The nutrition experts also tell us that they are not suitable for adults either and the diet has to be supplemented.

The main point I was making was the expert rebuttal to the nonsense hysteria about the dangers of a vegan diet by one loony politician, a hysteria which you had subscribed to.

What politician is that now? Let me know so I follow him on twitter

The only thing I subscribe to is that a vegan diet is bad for children and not suitable for adults either without like the article said, which you posted.

Animal products have been our most basic food stuff for millennia taking them out of our diets unsurprisingly leads to nutritional problems

Or do you disagree with nutrition experts?

Dont get me wrong if your doing it for "ethical" reasons more power to ye but lets not try and hide behind this "better for health" thing.

I wouldn't get too carried away with the aul meat. Them nutritional experts you are so fond off would tell you to limit your intake especially the red stuff. Zero processed meant and no more than 260g of the unprocessed stuff a week appears to be the best advice. Hardly a ringing endorsement

[omaghjoe]

I'll take the advice of nutrition experts on this one.

Like this one 
http://www.repubblica.it/salute/alimentazione/2016/08/08/news/vietare_dieta_vegana_ai_figli_l_esperto_espone_a_carenze_e_a_rischi_-145616570/
The Italian Society of Food Science rejecting Savino's  (the reactionary Italian populist politician) assertions, with president Andrea Ghiselli telling La Repubblica that diets containing excessive sugar and fat were of greater concern than the risks of deficiency of a vegan diet.

Wouldn't disagree with that but rather amazingly your leaving out the main point of the article which is that Vegan diets are not suitable for children. 

The nutrition experts also tell us that they are not suitable for adults either and the diet has to be supplemented.

The main point I was making was the expert rebuttal to the nonsense hysteria about the dangers of a vegan diet by one loony politician, a hysteria which you had subscribed to.

What politician is that now? Let me know so I follow him on twitter

The only thing I subscribe to is that a vegan diet is bad for children and not suitable for adults either without like the article said, which you posted.

Animal products have been our most basic food stuff for millennia taking them out of our diets unsurprisingly leads to nutritional problems

Or do you disagree with nutrition experts?

Dont get me wrong if your doing it for "ethical" reasons more power to ye but lets not try and hide behind this "better for health" thing.

I wouldn't get too carried away with the aul meat. Them nutritional experts you are so fond off would tell you to limit your intake especially the red stuff. Zero processed meant and no more than 260g of the unprocessed stuff a week appears to be the best advice. Hardly a ringing endorsement

Yeah but is starting to come full circle now. Many nutritionists  are advocating now  the paleo diet, cures a whole range of conditions cos our gut react so badly to so many plants

[LCohen]

Is this a consensus view? We can all get a report pointing to a stance but the quality and informed critical reception of report is key.

The biggest long term threat to the meat industry is economics. Not morals and not nutrition (although they are both real threats)

[omaghjoe]

Consensus? Is that what governs whats correct or incorrect? (hooray for Brexit and soon to be pres Don they're correct choices cos their consensus  ) I dont know if the nutritionists have had a vote on it. Check it out and decide for yourself.

You believe that despite meat getting consistently cheaper over the past 50 years its going to get more expensive?

[LCohen]

Consensus? Is that what governs whats correct or incorrect? (hooray for Brexit and soon to be pres Don they're correct choices cos their consensus  ) I dont know if the nutritionists have had a vote on it. Check it out and decide for yourself.

You do get the difference between a single report that doesn't have the support of the experts and a peer reviewed report that passes the test? You do see that don't you?

You do get the difference between an independent report and one funded by a vested interest? Hence the need for peer review and consensus?

You believe that despite meat getting consistently cheaper over the past 50 years its going to get more expensive?

I do.

You believe that with a growing world population, increasing aspiration in the developing world, a growing awareness of the environmental damage of turning over greater amounts of land to food production, greater awareness of the damage cause of the chemical tricks that support industrial farming that land will be used for the least efficient means of food production (in acreage terms) without an appropriate economic charge being applied to that land use?

Bring on your rationale?

[Main Street]

I'll take the advice of nutrition experts on this one.

Like this one 
http://www.repubblica.it/salute/alimentazione/2016/08/08/news/vietare_dieta_vegana_ai_figli_l_esperto_espone_a_carenze_e_a_rischi_-145616570/
The Italian Society of Food Science rejecting Savino's  (the reactionary Italian populist politician) assertions, with president Andrea Ghiselli telling La Repubblica that diets containing excessive sugar and fat were of greater concern than the risks of deficiency of a vegan diet.

Wouldn't disagree with that but rather amazingly your leaving out the main point of the article which is that Vegan diets are not suitable for children. 

The nutrition experts also tell us that they are not suitable for adults either and the diet has to be supplemented.

The main point I was making was the expert rebuttal to the nonsense hysteria about the dangers of a vegan diet by one loony politician, a hysteria which you had subscribed to.

What politician is that now? Let me know so I follow him on twitter

The only thing I subscribe to is that a vegan diet is bad for children and not suitable for adults either without like the article said, which you posted.

Animal products have been our most basic food stuff for millennia taking them out of our diets unsurprisingly leads to nutritional problems

Or do you disagree with nutrition experts?

Dont get me wrong if your doing it for "ethical" reasons more power to ye but lets not try and hide behind this "better for health" thing.

Who's hiding??
The article I lnked, contained quotes from the  president of the Italian Society of Food Science, in order to pour mild scorn on your reference to the italian crime of veganism.
The rest of the article was not germane to that point.

However he did NOT say a vegan diet is bad for children or not suitable for adults as you have claimed.
He said the vegan diet for children CAN be  imbalanced,   it can be imbalanced which means it can be imbalanced  under certain circumstances.
He then says that a  risk of deficiency in a vegan diet is relatively easy to overcome with with the addition of natural foods and/or supplements.

He believes a balanced diet could be extracted from portions of  vegetables, yoghurts and fish.
That's his expert opinion.

I am not a practicing vegan, but if I were to impose a vegan diet on my children, either through my choice or their necessity, then a minimum amount of good research points to that a vegan can obtain a complete diet within the confines of a vegan diet.
The length of time you need to spend on that research (2 minutes for me)  would also depend on already acquired experience.
if I was so inclined to do that research, then it would be centered on the weight of evidence to support the choice. In other words, i want to try this or something like this, how can i make it work. There is no scientifically proven diet.
If you want to eat pork then the Pork Association will inform you that  eating porky the pig will do you the world of good and if you don't want to eat pork then PETA will inform you of just how good that choice is.