A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.

[From the Bunker]

Do you class American C&W music as "Irish culture"?

It's a strange one, because the foundations of American C&W are Irish in origin.
As part of Irish Culture? Yeah maybe. Is Gaelic football part of Irish Culture? It's origins are in Association Football and has only been around since around 1884?

Do you watch the English Premier League? Listen to English Pop Music?

[illdecide]

Many a man died trying to free Ireland from British rule, things are obviously different now than they were 50 years ago and no one wants to go back to that. We all just have to accept each others cultures and get on with it, the Unionists accepting our Irish culture will be more difficult buy they know it's coming and they don't really have much choice. The first 10-20 years will not be much different to the way it is now and things will gradually be introduced through a generation or two.
I will vote for a united Ireland all day long and twice on a Sunday...

They did and natural colonialism died off in many countries with minimum destruction.

We've finally got to a point for unification by sheer numbers rather than bombing and shooting

Yeah we have but you and most other people forget a lot of us wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for the IRA in the late 60's and early 70's. The Catholic population were targeted and would have been a lot less today only for taking up arms. Now please don't start throwing back the atrocities that happened after that as I'm not condoning them by no stretch and there was some bad sh1t that went down in a dirty war. All i'm saying is make no mistake about it the IRA had no choice but to take up arms and defend their people. What followed wasn't acceptable...

[Milltown Row2]

Many a man died trying to free Ireland from British rule, things are obviously different now than they were 50 years ago and no one wants to go back to that. We all just have to accept each others cultures and get on with it, the Unionists accepting our Irish culture will be more difficult buy they know it's coming and they don't really have much choice. The first 10-20 years will not be much different to the way it is now and things will gradually be introduced through a generation or two.
I will vote for a united Ireland all day long and twice on a Sunday...

They did and natural colonialism died off in many countries with minimum destruction.

We've finally got to a point for unification by sheer numbers rather than bombing and shooting

Yeah we have but you and most other people forget a lot of us wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for the IRA in the late 60's and early 70's. The Catholic population were targeted and would have been a lot less today only for taking up arms. Now please don't start throwing back the atrocities that happened after that as I'm not condoning them by no stretch and there was some bad sh1t that went down in a dirty war. All i'm saying is make no mistake about it the IRA had no choice but to take up arms and defend their people. What followed wasn't acceptable...

I'll say this, Australia had no issues, no major bombings no sectarian murders and the end goal was is a county run by itself

Now, that said Australia has suppressed the ingenious people since its initial plantation, but at what cost in terms of conflict was it?

There was a choice, so don't think for a second that the choice was to take up arms during the last troubles, there was.

As we have shown that the ballot box is actually stronger than the gun in

[Truthsayer]

Many a man died trying to free Ireland from British rule, things are obviously different now than they were 50 years ago and no one wants to go back to that. We all just have to accept each others cultures and get on with it, the Unionists accepting our Irish culture will be more difficult buy they know it's coming and they don't really have much choice. The first 10-20 years will not be much different to the way it is now and things will gradually be introduced through a generation or two.
I will vote for a united Ireland all day long and twice on a Sunday...

They did and natural colonialism died off in many countries with minimum destruction.

We've finally got to a point for unification by sheer numbers rather than bombing and shooting

Yeah we have but you and most other people forget a lot of us wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for the IRA in the late 60's and early 70's. The Catholic population were targeted and would have been a lot less today only for taking up arms. Now please don't start throwing back the atrocities that happened after that as I'm not condoning them by no stretch and there was some bad sh1t that went down in a dirty war. All i'm saying is make no mistake about it the IRA had no choice but to take up arms and defend their people. What followed wasn't acceptable...

I'll say this, Australia had no issues, no major bombings no sectarian murders and the end goal was is a county run by itself

Now, that said Australia has suppressed the ingenious people since its initial plantation, but at what cost in terms of conflict was it?

There was a choice, so don't think for a second that the choice was to take up arms during the last troubles, there was.

As we have shown that the ballot box is actually stronger than the gun in

Really? When Catholics were being burnt out of their houses, Bombay Street etc with RUC approval.. Civil Rights marchers being beaten off the streets until massacred on Bloody Sunday... no equality of rights and murdered for marching for equality...

[Milltown Row2]

Many a man died trying to free Ireland from British rule, things are obviously different now than they were 50 years ago and no one wants to go back to that. We all just have to accept each others cultures and get on with it, the Unionists accepting our Irish culture will be more difficult buy they know it's coming and they don't really have much choice. The first 10-20 years will not be much different to the way it is now and things will gradually be introduced through a generation or two.
I will vote for a united Ireland all day long and twice on a Sunday...

They did and natural colonialism died off in many countries with minimum destruction.

We've finally got to a point for unification by sheer numbers rather than bombing and shooting

Yeah we have but you and most other people forget a lot of us wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for the IRA in the late 60's and early 70's. The Catholic population were targeted and would have been a lot less today only for taking up arms. Now please don't start throwing back the atrocities that happened after that as I'm not condoning them by no stretch and there was some bad sh1t that went down in a dirty war. All i'm saying is make no mistake about it the IRA had no choice but to take up arms and defend their people. What followed wasn't acceptable...

I'll say this, Australia had no issues, no major bombings no sectarian murders and the end goal was is a county run by itself

Now, that said Australia has suppressed the ingenious people since its initial plantation, but at what cost in terms of conflict was it?

There was a choice, so don't think for a second that the choice was to take up arms during the last troubles, there was.

As we have shown that the ballot box is actually stronger than the gun in

Really? When Catholics were being burnt out of their houses, Bombay Street etc with RUC approval.. Civil Rights marchers being beaten off the streets until massacred on Bloody Sunday... no equality of rights and murdered for marching for equality...

So you think these things were not happening throughout Africa and other countries?

None of it was right, both parents had families burnt out of homes..

Sectarian violence murders and the rest did not, in any way being UI closer.

We still are run by the UK government and those that fought against it are in government, in partnership, with those that they 'fought' against.

Numbers will bring us to it, as it did in all the other colonial countries.

[Truthsayer]

Many a man died trying to free Ireland from British rule, things are obviously different now than they were 50 years ago and no one wants to go back to that. We all just have to accept each others cultures and get on with it, the Unionists accepting our Irish culture will be more difficult buy they know it's coming and they don't really have much choice. The first 10-20 years will not be much different to the way it is now and things will gradually be introduced through a generation or two.
I will vote for a united Ireland all day long and twice on a Sunday...

They did and natural colonialism died off in many countries with minimum destruction.

We've finally got to a point for unification by sheer numbers rather than bombing and shooting

Yeah we have but you and most other people forget a lot of us wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for the IRA in the late 60's and early 70's. The Catholic population were targeted and would have been a lot less today only for taking up arms. Now please don't start throwing back the atrocities that happened after that as I'm not condoning them by no stretch and there was some bad sh1t that went down in a dirty war. All i'm saying is make no mistake about it the IRA had no choice but to take up arms and defend their people. What followed wasn't acceptable...

I'll say this, Australia had no issues, no major bombings no sectarian murders and the end goal was is a county run by itself

Now, that said Australia has suppressed the ingenious people since its initial plantation, but at what cost in terms of conflict was it?

There was a choice, so don't think for a second that the choice was to take up arms during the last troubles, there was.

As we have shown that the ballot box is actually stronger than the gun in

Really? When Catholics were being burnt out of their houses, Bombay Street etc with RUC approval.. Civil Rights marchers being beaten off the streets until massacred on Bloody Sunday... no equality of rights and murdered for marching for equality...

So you think these things were not happening throughout Africa and other countries?

None of it was right, both parents had families burnt out of homes..

Sectarian violence murders and the rest did not, in any way being UI closer.

We still are run by the UK government and those that fought against it are in government, in partnership, with those that they 'fought' against.

Numbers will bring us to it, as it did in all the other colonial countries.

You think there was no militant resistance in Africa?!
Is all very noble passive resistance but when people are being murdered by the Army for marching for their civil rights and being downtrodden by the police. We probly are closer to a united Ireland, and guess what... the Unionists and British aren't still doing to us what Israel has being doing in Palestine before this genocide... 

[Windmill abu]

Like all countries occupied by the British Empire, they cannot sort out the way forward until Britain leaves. Hopefully that path is peaceful. But if not it still has to proceed without British governance. All Irish people regardless of religion or skin colour will learn to live together on this island once Britain goes.

[AustinPowers]

Like all countries occupied by the British Empire, they cannot sort out the way forward until Britain leaves. Hopefully that path is peaceful. But if not it still has to proceed without British governance. All Irish people regardless of religion or skin colour will learn to live together on this island once Britain goes.

Britain might go , but the  British will remain .  

A lot of   planter stock haven't integrated in  over 400 years , so  I doubt they'll integrate under a foreign flag, when they didn't under their  own.

[Milltown Row2]

Many a man died trying to free Ireland from British rule, things are obviously different now than they were 50 years ago and no one wants to go back to that. We all just have to accept each others cultures and get on with it, the Unionists accepting our Irish culture will be more difficult buy they know it's coming and they don't really have much choice. The first 10-20 years will not be much different to the way it is now and things will gradually be introduced through a generation or two.
I will vote for a united Ireland all day long and twice on a Sunday...

They did and natural colonialism died off in many countries with minimum destruction.

We've finally got to a point for unification by sheer numbers rather than bombing and shooting

Yeah we have but you and most other people forget a lot of us wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for the IRA in the late 60's and early 70's. The Catholic population were targeted and would have been a lot less today only for taking up arms. Now please don't start throwing back the atrocities that happened after that as I'm not condoning them by no stretch and there was some bad sh1t that went down in a dirty war. All i'm saying is make no mistake about it the IRA had no choice but to take up arms and defend their people. What followed wasn't acceptable...

I'll say this, Australia had no issues, no major bombings no sectarian murders and the end goal was is a county run by itself

Now, that said Australia has suppressed the ingenious people since its initial plantation, but at what cost in terms of conflict was it?

There was a choice, so don't think for a second that the choice was to take up arms during the last troubles, there was.

As we have shown that the ballot box is actually stronger than the gun in

Really? When Catholics were being burnt out of their houses, Bombay Street etc with RUC approval.. Civil Rights marchers being beaten off the streets until massacred on Bloody Sunday... no equality of rights and murdered for marching for equality...

So you think these things were not happening throughout Africa and other countries?

None of it was right, both parents had families burnt out of homes..

Sectarian violence murders and the rest did not, in any way being UI closer.

We still are run by the UK government and those that fought against it are in government, in partnership, with those that they 'fought' against.

Numbers will bring us to it, as it did in all the other colonial countries.

You think there was no militant resistance in Africa?!
Is all very noble passive resistance but when people are being murdered by the Army for marching for their civil rights and being downtrodden by the police. We probly are closer to a united Ireland, and guess what... the Unionists and British aren't still doing to us what Israel has being doing in Palestine before this genocide... 

Many a man died trying to free Ireland from British rule, things are obviously different now than they were 50 years ago and no one wants to go back to that. We all just have to accept each others cultures and get on with it, the Unionists accepting our Irish culture will be more difficult buy they know it's coming and they don't really have much choice. The first 10-20 years will not be much different to the way it is now and things will gradually be introduced through a generation or two.
I will vote for a united Ireland all day long and twice on a Sunday...

They did and natural colonialism died off in many countries with minimum destruction.

We've finally got to a point for unification by sheer numbers rather than bombing and shooting

Yeah we have but you and most other people forget a lot of us wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for the IRA in the late 60's and early 70's. The Catholic population were targeted and would have been a lot less today only for taking up arms. Now please don't start throwing back the atrocities that happened after that as I'm not condoning them by no stretch and there was some bad sh1t that went down in a dirty war. All i'm saying is make no mistake about it the IRA had no choice but to take up arms and defend their people. What followed wasn't acceptable...

I'll say this, Australia had no issues, no major bombings no sectarian murders and the end goal was is a county run by itself

Now, that said Australia has suppressed the ingenious people since its initial plantation, but at what cost in terms of conflict was it?

There was a choice, so don't think for a second that the choice was to take up arms during the last troubles, there was.

As we have shown that the ballot box is actually stronger than the gun in

Really? When Catholics were being burnt out of their houses, Bombay Street etc with RUC approval.. Civil Rights marchers being beaten off the streets until massacred on Bloody Sunday... no equality of rights and murdered for marching for equality...

So you think these things were not happening throughout Africa and other countries?

None of it was right, both parents had families burnt out of homes..

Sectarian violence murders and the rest did not, in any way being UI closer.

We still are run by the UK government and those that fought against it are in government, in partnership, with those that they 'fought' against.

Numbers will bring us to it, as it did in all the other colonial countries.

You think there was no militant resistance in Africa?!
Is all very noble passive resistance but when people are being murdered by the Army for marching for their civil rights and being downtrodden by the police. We probly are closer to a united Ireland, and guess what... the Unionists and British aren't still doing to us what Israel has being doing in Palestine before this genocide... 

But did it make a difference? Or was it sheer numbers and it had to happen or military intervention?

It happened because it had to happen

Ireland would have been probably in same boat

[east down gael]

This man would argue in an empty room

[Milltown Row2]

This man would argue in an empty room

Ah! That's your take, if I don't have the 'said' view I'm wrong..

[Truthsayer]

This man would argue in an empty room

I've stopped replying.. at this stage not sure he believes himself what he's saying. Arguing for the sake of it...

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

Many a man died trying to free Ireland from British rule, things are obviously different now than they were 50 years ago and no one wants to go back to that. We all just have to accept each others cultures and get on with it, the Unionists accepting our Irish culture will be more difficult buy they know it's coming and they don't really have much choice. The first 10-20 years will not be much different to the way it is now and things will gradually be introduced through a generation or two.
I will vote for a united Ireland all day long and twice on a Sunday...

They did and natural colonialism died off in many countries with minimum destruction.

We've finally got to a point for unification by sheer numbers rather than bombing and shooting

Yeah we have but you and most other people forget a lot of us wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for the IRA in the late 60's and early 70's. The Catholic population were targeted and would have been a lot less today only for taking up arms. Now please don't start throwing back the atrocities that happened after that as I'm not condoning them by no stretch and there was some bad sh1t that went down in a dirty war. All i'm saying is make no mistake about it the IRA had no choice but to take up arms and defend their people. What followed wasn't acceptable...

I'll say this, Australia had no issues, no major bombings no sectarian murders and the end goal was is a county run by itself

Now, that said Australia has suppressed the ingenious people since its initial plantation, but at what cost in terms of conflict was it?

There was a choice, so don't think for a second that the choice was to take up arms during the last troubles, there was.

As we have shown that the ballot box is actually stronger than the gun in

Really? When Catholics were being burnt out of their houses, Bombay Street etc with RUC approval.. Civil Rights marchers being beaten off the streets until massacred on Bloody Sunday... no equality of rights and murdered for marching for equality...

So you think these things were not happening throughout Africa and other countries?

None of it was right, both parents had families burnt out of homes..

Sectarian violence murders and the rest did not, in any way being UI closer.

We still are run by the UK government and those that fought against it are in government, in partnership, with those that they 'fought' against.

Numbers will bring us to it, as it did in all the other colonial countries.

You think there was no militant resistance in Africa?!
Is all very noble passive resistance but when people are being murdered by the Army for marching for their civil rights and being downtrodden by the police. We probly are closer to a united Ireland, and guess what... the Unionists and British aren't still doing to us what Israel has being doing in Palestine before this genocide... 

Many a man died trying to free Ireland from British rule, things are obviously different now than they were 50 years ago and no one wants to go back to that. We all just have to accept each others cultures and get on with it, the Unionists accepting our Irish culture will be more difficult buy they know it's coming and they don't really have much choice. The first 10-20 years will not be much different to the way it is now and things will gradually be introduced through a generation or two.
I will vote for a united Ireland all day long and twice on a Sunday...

They did and natural colonialism died off in many countries with minimum destruction.

We've finally got to a point for unification by sheer numbers rather than bombing and shooting

Yeah we have but you and most other people forget a lot of us wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for the IRA in the late 60's and early 70's. The Catholic population were targeted and would have been a lot less today only for taking up arms. Now please don't start throwing back the atrocities that happened after that as I'm not condoning them by no stretch and there was some bad sh1t that went down in a dirty war. All i'm saying is make no mistake about it the IRA had no choice but to take up arms and defend their people. What followed wasn't acceptable...

I'll say this, Australia had no issues, no major bombings no sectarian murders and the end goal was is a county run by itself

Now, that said Australia has suppressed the ingenious people since its initial plantation, but at what cost in terms of conflict was it?

There was a choice, so don't think for a second that the choice was to take up arms during the last troubles, there was.

As we have shown that the ballot box is actually stronger than the gun in

Really? When Catholics were being burnt out of their houses, Bombay Street etc with RUC approval.. Civil Rights marchers being beaten off the streets until massacred on Bloody Sunday... no equality of rights and murdered for marching for equality...

So you think these things were not happening throughout Africa and other countries?

None of it was right, both parents had families burnt out of homes..

Sectarian violence murders and the rest did not, in any way being UI closer.

We still are run by the UK government and those that fought against it are in government, in partnership, with those that they 'fought' against.

Numbers will bring us to it, as it did in all the other colonial countries.

You think there was no militant resistance in Africa?!
Is all very noble passive resistance but when people are being murdered by the Army for marching for their civil rights and being downtrodden by the police. We probly are closer to a united Ireland, and guess what... the Unionists and British aren't still doing to us what Israel has being doing in Palestine before this genocide... 

But did it make a difference? Or was it sheer numbers and it had to happen or military intervention?

It happened because it had to happen

Ireland would have been probably in same boat

At some point, after the late 60s/early 70s, they actually started to count us as numbers.

[tiempo]

Like all countries occupied by the British Empire, they cannot sort out the way forward until Britain leaves. Hopefully that path is peaceful. But if not it still has to proceed without British governance. All Irish people regardless of religion or skin colour will learn to live together on this island once Britain goes.

Britain might go , but the  British will remain . 

A lot of   planter stock haven't integrated in  over 400 years , so  I doubt they'll integrate under a foreign flag, when they didn't under their  own.

Arlene and others will head for Blighty and good riddance

[DaleCooper]

The pig stupidity of people amazes me every day.

The facts of history show precisely what the future is. And it's beautiful