A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.

[Truthsayer]

The discrimination had to be overplayed in order to justify killing. Same with labelling people bigots, its easier to kill what you already hate.


Do sinn fein have no men now?

Embarrassing spectacle.

On the day Soldier F (still a coward hiding his identity) is aquited of Bloody Sunday murders is worth reflecting on this comment again. Civil Rights marchers massacred.

[dec]

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2025/10/22/opinion-in-a-united-ireland-should-everyone-get-to-choose-irish-british-or-dual-identity/

In a united Ireland, should everyone be given a choice of Irish, British or dual identity?
Concessions will have to be made if a new nation is to be constructed that moves beyond past tensions
Paul Gosling

A "new Ireland" is exactly that: a new state, with a new constitution, an enlarged and partly different population, as well as a lot of political and social change from the existing Republic.
It is not perhaps a revolution, but it is a lot more than a slight evolution.
The populations of both the South and the North need to consider not just if a united island is what we want – but also, if it is, how much of what is currently part of our lives we are willing to sacrifice or change.
Opinion polling by The Irish Times and ARINS (Analysing and Researching Ireland North and South) has revealed tensions between a majority desire for unity within the South's population and some of the practical realities.

Concerns raised – which might conceivably lead to a "no" vote in the South – included the cost of unity with the North, replacing the Republic's flag and anthem, as well as perceived Northern preferences for Commonwealth and Nato memberships. How, too, will the two electorates feel if – as with previous difficult negotiations in the North – external arbiters are brought in to resolve difficulties?

Necessary changes to the Constitution – or the drawing-up of a completely new constitution – might be an even greater barrier.
As might the status of the Irish language in the new State: bilingual signs in Shandon Park in east Belfast were recently attacked with an angle grinder; loyalist paramilitaries are reportedly threatening to set alight Belfast City Council vans if they contain Irish language signage, while an ongoing row on proposed Irish signage at Belfast's Grand Central Station is splitting the Northern Ireland Executive.
If these are challenges to a positive vote in the South, there are also realities to be faced by nationalists and republicans in the North.
For many, the message might be to be careful about what you wish for: a new Ireland will require concessions that are in fundamental conflict with much of traditional republican rhetoric, ideology and culture.

The Belfast Agreement featured compromises to achieve peace. For probably everyone involved these were unhappy arrangements that many hoped would shift in their direction over the following years. Demography has since helped some parties, while disadvantaging others.
As planning for Irish unity moves into a more practical and detailed phase, serious consideration needs to be given to which, if any, of those compromises laid out in the agreement need to become integral to that new united Ireland.
In particular, it specified the birthright of Northern Irish people "to hold both British and Irish citizenship", with that right to continue beyond "any future change in the status of Northern Ireland".

People born in the six counties will have that enduring right to be regarded as British if they so choose: should that right be extended into the 26 counties? If not, why not?
Otherwise, we could end up in the odd situation where people born on one side of the old partition would have the right to British identity while those born on the other side, would not.
It might also be regarded as a welcome concession to the more than 800,000 people in the North who stated in the last census that they identify as British (some as both British and Irish).
But when I've raised this in public meetings, there has been hostility from some republicans and nationalists in the North.

That attitude is one I've encountered relatively frequently, and not just from hardline republicans. For some in the North, the expectations for a new Ireland include removing all traces of hundreds of years of British presence. This, it is safe to predict, will not happen.
There is real anxiety around how loyalists – especially those who belong to or support the Ulster Defence Association and the Ulster Volunteer Force paramilitary organisations – will react to a unity referendum and a possible positive vote for unity. But very little consideration has been given to the disappointment and anger felt by those nationalists and republicans whose expectations of a united Ireland are unmet.
The scale of the challenge ahead for those of us who advocate for Irish unity can also be illustrated by the strange obsession with Heather Humphreys's husband's apparent past membership of the Orange Order. Although it is easy to dismiss this with a "so what", it does raise questions about whether parts of Irish society are embarrassed about the Protestant role and the symbols of British identity within the Republic.

The irony is that there is little sign of reluctance from those living in the South with a Protestant or historical unionist heritage to identify as Irish. Those I have met have told me they see no conflict in the Ireland of today between their religion and being proud Irish citizens.
It is natural for any postcolonial nation to seek to overcome and repudiate its past. But there is a fundamental tension between this and winning over the population of the Northern land mass – roughly half of whose people have a strong British identity as well as nationality. Indeed, the geography across the island of Ireland bears witness to a history that cannot be simply wished away.
Concessions will have to be made if a new nation is to be constructed that moves beyond past tensions. But those concessions must be consistent with Ireland's own sense of identity.

Paul Gosling is author of A New Ireland – A Five Year Review, published by Colmcille Press

[AustinPowers]

The discrimination had to be overplayed in order to justify killing. Same with labelling people bigots, its easier to kill what you already hate.


Do sinn fein have no men now?

Embarrassing spectacle.

On the day Soldier F (still a coward hiding his identity) is aquited of Bloody Sunday murders is worth reflecting on this comment again. Civil Rights marchers massacred.

His identity is all  over Twitter. And his photo. If you're interested.

[Truthsayer]

The discrimination had to be overplayed in order to justify killing. Same with labelling people bigots, its easier to kill what you already hate.


Do sinn fein have no men now?

Embarrassing spectacle.

On the day Soldier F (still a coward hiding his identity) is aquited of Bloody Sunday murders is worth reflecting on this comment again. Civil Rights marchers massacred.

His identity is all  over Twitter. And his photo. If you're interested.

I seen it. Though his legal team and the British trying to keep him anonymous.

[Truthsayer]

The discrimination had to be overplayed in order to justify killing. Same with labelling people bigots, its easier to kill what you already hate.


Do sinn fein have no men now?

Embarrassing spectacle.

On the day Soldier F (still a coward hiding his identity) is aquited of Bloody Sunday murders is worth reflecting on this comment again. Civil Rights marchers massacred.

His identity is all  over Twitter. And his photo. If you're interested.

I seen it. Though his legal team and the British trying to keep him anonymous.
In the dock hid behind curtains..

[laceer]

If anything should drive the middle ground away from the status quo it is those posts of the Para flag after yesterday's verdict. As hateful an action as I've ever seen from Unionists.

[Armagh18]

The discrimination had to be overplayed in order to justify killing. Same with labelling people bigots, its easier to kill what you already hate.


Do sinn fein have no men now?

Embarrassing spectacle.

On the day Soldier F (still a coward hiding his identity) is aquited of Bloody Sunday murders is worth reflecting on this comment again. Civil Rights marchers massacred.

His identity is all  over Twitter. And his photo. If you're interested.

I seen it. Though his legal team and the British trying to keep him anonymous.
In the dock hid behind curtains..

Bit like the "well known Irish sports star" You'll find his name if you really want to.

[johnnycool]

If anything should drive the middle ground away from the status quo it is those posts of the Para flag after yesterday's verdict. As hateful an action as I've ever seen from Unionists.

They're just reminding us exactly what they think of us.

We're not equals and never will be in their eyes..

[Truthsayer]

The discrimination had to be overplayed in order to justify killing. Same with labelling people bigots, its easier to kill what you already hate.


Do sinn fein have no men now?

Embarrassing spectacle.

On the day Soldier F (still a coward hiding his identity) is aquited of Bloody Sunday murders is worth reflecting on this comment again. Civil Rights marchers massacred.

His identity is all  over Twitter. And his photo. If you're interested.

I seen it. Though his legal team and the British trying to keep him anonymous.
In the dock hid behind curtains..

Bit like the "well known Irish sports star" You'll find his name if you really want to lol.

The fact is the every other defendant in a murder trial is named and their photo shown on TV and media even the soldier who murdered John Pat Cunningham but this one has identity concealed by the British courts.. Good you find it funny though.

[Armagh18]

The discrimination had to be overplayed in order to justify killing. Same with labelling people bigots, its easier to kill what you already hate.


Do sinn fein have no men now?

Embarrassing spectacle.

On the day Soldier F (still a coward hiding his identity) is aquited of Bloody Sunday murders is worth reflecting on this comment again. Civil Rights marchers massacred.

His identity is all  over Twitter. And his photo. If you're interested.

I seen it. Though his legal team and the British trying to keep him anonymous.
In the dock hid behind curtains..

Bit like the "well known Irish sports star" You'll find his name if you really want to lol.

The fact is the every other defendant in a murder trial is named and their photo shown on TV and media even the soldier who murdered John Pat Cunningham but this one has identity concealed by the British courts.. Good you find it funny though.

Apologies, didn't mean that message to come across like that at all and will amend.

I think its a disgrace that his identity is being hidden. Should be named and shamed for sure. Was only trying to point out that you'll get his name online without much difficulty. As far as I'm aware the ban on naming him doesn't apply in the South?

[johnnycool]

The discrimination had to be overplayed in order to justify killing. Same with labelling people bigots, its easier to kill what you already hate.


Do sinn fein have no men now?

Embarrassing spectacle.

On the day Soldier F (still a coward hiding his identity) is aquited of Bloody Sunday murders is worth reflecting on this comment again. Civil Rights marchers massacred.

His identity is all  over Twitter. And his photo. If you're interested.

I seen it. Though his legal team and the British trying to keep him anonymous.
In the dock hid behind curtains..

Bit like the "well known Irish sports star" You'll find his name if you really want to lol.

Colm Eastwood named him in the Commons under parliamentary privilege.

A quick google and his name appears

[Truthsayer]

The discrimination had to be overplayed in order to justify killing. Same with labelling people bigots, its easier to kill what you already hate.


Do sinn fein have no men now?

Embarrassing spectacle.

On the day Soldier F (still a coward hiding his identity) is aquited of Bloody Sunday murders is worth reflecting on this comment again. Civil Rights marchers massacred.

His identity is all  over Twitter. And his photo. If you're interested.

I seen it. Though his legal team and the British trying to keep him anonymous.
In the dock hid behind curtains..

Bit like the "well known Irish sports star" You'll find his name if you really want to lol.

The fact is the every other defendant in a murder trial is named and their photo shown on TV and media even the soldier who murdered John Pat Cunningham but this one has identity concealed by the British courts.. Good you find it funny though.

Apologies, didn't mean that message to come across like that at all and will amend.

I think its a disgrace that his identity is being hidden. Should be named and shamed for sure. Was only trying to point out that you'll get his name online without much difficulty. As far as I'm aware the ban on naming him doesn't apply in the South?

Fair enough. What I'm saying is the British sought to hide his identity.

[AustinPowers]

The discrimination had to be overplayed in order to justify killing. Same with labelling people bigots, its easier to kill what you already hate.


Do sinn fein have no men now?

Embarrassing spectacle.

On the day Soldier F (still a coward hiding his identity) is aquited of Bloody Sunday murders is worth reflecting on this comment again. Civil Rights marchers massacred.

His identity is all  over Twitter. And his photo. If you're interested.

I seen it. Though his legal team and the British trying to keep him anonymous.
In the dock hid behind curtains..

Bit like the "well known Irish sports star" You'll find his name if you really want to lol.

The fact is the every other defendant in a murder trial is named and their photo shown on TV and media even the soldier who murdered John Pat Cunningham but this one has identity concealed by the British courts.. Good you find it funny though.

Apologies, didn't mean that message to come across like that at all and will amend.

I think its a disgrace that his identity is being hidden. Should be named and shamed for sure. Was only trying to point out that you'll get his name online without much difficulty. As far as I'm aware the ban on naming him doesn't apply in the South?

So RTE should be  able to name him in their reports?

[From the Bunker]

So RTE should be  able to name him in their reports?

RTE are an extension of the Crown. F*** sake they had a ban on Gerry Adams voice for decades to align with the the Brits.

[Armagh18]

As far as I know the UK court order to ban naming him can't apply to an Irish broadcaster? They'll hardly name him to avoid annoying the Brits but surely theres no legal obligation? I'm sure David McKeown could confirm.