Armagh v Donegal USFC 14/06/2015

[illdecide]

Jinxy it shows how bad you lot are if a bunch of bicep curling bench pressing Geezer muscling guys beat you idots of the park, so how bad are you lot? the amount of muppets on  here more content on Armagh loosing that their own team is unreal.

[Mikasa]

And there were some thinking Armagh would too big odds at 2/1!

[Jinxy]

Jinxy it shows how bad you lot are if a bunch of bicep curling bench pressing Geezer muscling guys beat you idots of the park, so how bad are you lot? the amount of muppets on  here more content on Armagh loosing that their own team is unreal.

[J70]

An early goal in any game is a huge psychological boost to one team and a huge psychological blow to the other.Doesnt matter what code.This is particularly true in a game like yesterday,overhyped since the draw was made.

Of course Donegal are further advanced and experienced than Armagh,but they are not as far advanced as the score line and respective performances seemed to suggest yesterday.

Cloud. Cuckoo. Land.

I actually think he has a point

Look at last years ai where donegal never recovered from the shock of conceding an early goal

Or 2011 when  they won it where mayo never recovered from the early 2 goals

Donegal came back from 5 points down to lead in last year's final. The game was then a stalemate till Durcan ' s mistake,  and even then Donegal closed a four point gap to a point again before Kerry tagged on a couple to kill it.

[Applesisapples]

Geezer looked stronger than half that Armagh Team judging by the pressure on the tee shirt sleeves. I don't think Armagh are as bad as they showed yesterday, and Donegal whilst good were shown in a better light by an insipid performance from Armagh. Playing Division 3 is no preparation for a seasoned Donegal team. I felt too may of our lads were caught up in the occasion and the hype from within the county. It was a day when you'd have killed for Aaron Kernan to come on and lead the revival. Was Dyas injured? Why is Aaron Cunningham not in the squad he would have shown better than some of yesterdays performers? Armagh continued the stupidity displayed by Tyrone of taking the ball into the tackle and they persisted with it even though it wasn't working. I have to agree with Joe Brolly who commented that Geezer has a system into which he fits players a bit like Jimmy but Rory Gallagher tweaks his system to suit the players. Jamie Clarke was shackled, Donegal found a way to free up Murphy a wee lesson there maybe?

[SimonSays]

iv never heard booing from a crowd before at a match for actual style of play....a donegal man beside me said,,,"its hard oul stuff to watch, but sure if we keep winning im happy" and he is right in everything he said,,,,its crap to watch but if Armagh could do it as well as donegal id be happy too.

[tyroneman]

Much like our situation in rebuilding Tyrone, there is very little point saying Armagh are 3 years behind Donegal if there is little prospect of either the players or the tactics / system bridging that gap.

While Harte may have the experience to figure out a way to compete against them he simply doesn't have the players (most importantly the forwards) and while Armagh fans might feel they have the players I don't think they have the tactical nous on the sideline.

If you take Jamie Clarke and Sean Cavanagh out of the equation there are simply no marquee players on either the Armagh or Tyrone teams.  There are plenty of decent players, plenty of hardworking players and some who may become very very good but not enough to match the reservoir of class that the top teams are drawing from.

Look at the players who didn't even start for Dublin or Kerry. Tyrone or Armagh would have them in a heartbeat.

[yellowcard]

Geezer looked stronger than half that Armagh Team judging by the pressure on the tee shirt sleeves. I don't think Armagh are as bad as they showed yesterday, and Donegal whilst good were shown in a better light by an insipid performance from Armagh. Playing Division 3 is no preparation for a seasoned Donegal team. I felt too may of our lads were caught up in the occasion and the hype from within the county. It was a day when you'd have killed for Aaron Kernan to come on and lead the revival. Was Dyas injured? Why is Aaron Cunningham not in the squad he would have shown better than some of yesterdays performers? Armagh continued the stupidity displayed by Tyrone of taking the ball into the tackle and they persisted with it even though it wasn't working. I have to agree with Joe Brolly who commented that Geezer has a system into which he fits players a bit like Jimmy but Rory Gallagher tweaks his system to suit the players. Jamie Clarke was shackled, Donegal found a way to free up Murphy a wee lesson there maybe?

Has he even played for Cross much in the last 12 months, strange statement. 

I agree with your second bit about Geezer fitting the players into a system. Armagh footballers aren't traditionally suited to playing a running game, Donegals players are brought up on it. He hasn't figured out a way to get the best out of Jamie Clarke and was tactically outwitted by Gallagher yesterday. The players aren't as bad as they looked yesterday but they looked scared and you it looked like they had focussed far too much on the opposition instead of building a game plan to suit the players that we have.     

[armaghniac]

Much like our situation in rebuilding Tyrone, there is very little point saying Armagh are 3 years behind Donegal if there is little prospect of either the players or the tactics / system bridging that gap.

While Harte may have the experience to figure out a way to compete against them he simply doesn't have the players (most importantly the forwards) and while Armagh fans might feel they have the players I don't think they have the tactical nous on the sideline.

If you take Jamie Clarke and Sean Cavanagh out of the equation there are simply no marquee players on either the Armagh or Tyrone teams.  There are plenty of decent players, plenty of hardworking players and some who may become very very good but not enough to match the reservoir of class that the top teams are drawing from.

Look at the players who didn't even start for Dublin or Kerry. Tyrone or Armagh would have them in a heartbeat.

There is a lot  of truth in this, apart from Clarke the other Armagh players wouldn't be getting a call from the manager if they moved to Kerry or Dublin, or even Donegal. But Armagh have never really put Clarke to full use,  players don't seem to support him when the hordes surround him and he is playing too far out the field.   There was no Armagh player yesterday who enhanced their reputation by showing a marked improvement on previous year, and several who played less well than previously. Among Armagh's better players are McKeever and Mallon, who won't be there in 3 years time.

[Applesisapples]

Geezer looked stronger than half that Armagh Team judging by the pressure on the tee shirt sleeves. I don't think Armagh are as bad as they showed yesterday, and Donegal whilst good were shown in a better light by an insipid performance from Armagh. Playing Division 3 is no preparation for a seasoned Donegal team. I felt too may of our lads were caught up in the occasion and the hype from within the county. It was a day when you'd have killed for Aaron Kernan to come on and lead the revival. Was Dyas injured? Why is Aaron Cunningham not in the squad he would have shown better than some of yesterdays performers? Armagh continued the stupidity displayed by Tyrone of taking the ball into the tackle and they persisted with it even though it wasn't working. I have to agree with Joe Brolly who commented that Geezer has a system into which he fits players a bit like Jimmy but Rory Gallagher tweaks his system to suit the players. Jamie Clarke was shackled, Donegal found a way to free up Murphy a wee lesson there maybe?

Has he even played for Cross much in the last 12 months, strange statement. 

I agree with your second bit about Geezer fitting the players into a system. Armagh footballers aren't traditionally suited to playing a running game, Donegals players are brought up on it. He hasn't figured out a way to get the best out of Jamie Clarke and was tactically outwitted by Gallagher yesterday. The players aren't as bad as they looked yesterday but they looked scared and you it looked like they had focussed far too much on the opposition instead of building a game plan to suit the players that we have.   

I was asking the question. I like Cunningham as a player when playing for Cross.

[general_lee]

You can have all the tactical nous in the world but if players can't fist pass 5 yards or kick a point from 30 then there is no hope of winning a match be it Donegal or Antrim.

Armagh lacked experience and leadership especially in the forwards. It was literally men against boys yesterday. Quite worrying how hesitant players were to have a shot for a point on the edge of the D and instead passing on responsibility. Support play was virtually non-existent. I don't put this down to poor standard of player but perhaps preparation. The first 10-15 mins Armagh froze. Riddled with mistakes and by the time they got the act together it was too late.

Hats off to Donegal. Ruthlessly strangled what little fight Armagh offered. Even ten points up they were falling with cramp/injuries. Murphy a joy to watch. If I was from the hills I'd have loved every minute of that.

[mackers]

The seeds for this Armagh loss were sown over a year ago.  You can not compete with the Donegals of this world coming out of Div 3.  We gave them a great match last year but we had serious momentum built up for that game.  Our last serious game before yesterday was that AIQF. The basic mistakes that were made yesterday were not punished by the Wexfords and Limericks but Donegal punished us in fine style.
I would not be overly critical of any of the players or the management team at this point.  We need to get back on the horse and try and build the same momentum through the qualifiers as we did last year.  I still think we have the makings of a good team, remember Donegal steamrolled a much better team than us last year but we have to learn our lesson. 
One poster referred to booing at Donegal's style of play which I didn't hear but they can be very frustrating to watch.  If it's frustrating to watch it must be much worse to play against. That said in McBearty, Murphy, Lacey, McGlynn they have some superb footballers.

[J70]

Why would Armagh supporters jeer Donegal when their own team was sat back with a packed defense when 10 points down?  Especially to the extent that Donegal wasted 8 minutes flinging the ball about, with no pressure exerted, amongst themselves around their half - back line and midfield!

Not saying either that it's not frustrating (Kerry did it to us for a couple of minutes late in last year's final), but you can't fault a team for playing keep ball when that far ahead.

[AZOffaly]

I assume you're exaggerating j70? I was in Thurles so I didn't see this, but surely they didn't keep possession for 8 minutes?

[J70]

I assume you're exaggerating j70? I was in Thurles so I didn't see this, but surely they didn't keep possession for 8 minutes?

That's what Brolly had timed it at - four different sessions of keep-ball.

Probably a little exaggerated, but it was lengthy.