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[easytiger95]

Posted by: deiseach
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Quote from: rosnarun on Today at 09:56:57 AM
A lot of issues are being thrown into the pot here.
such as GAA's promtion of Gaelic Culture ie Scor, Irish language ect
the GAA as a social force binding communities together
The Quality of TG4's coverage  of games
the Quantity of Games they show from many Competitions
all of which scire very strongly, but i think the original issue was much simpler
as long as the games are transmitted in Irish many non committed people will not watch them. I am not talking about us freaks who post on GAA Chat boards when we should be working but the peole who would go to championship games but not league ones or who Idly choose what to watch  and wouuld even watch the Pro12 rugby on RTE in english but would not be arse watching it on TG4 in Irish
maybe  A similar deal couls be worked out with RTE for the NFL?

My guess - and it is only a guess, but I've been meeja-watching long enough to say it with some confidence - is that the outside broadcast costs for RTÉ, for all manner of reasons (cue a spot of union bashing, no doubt), are astronomical compared to those of the Young Turks in Nemeton. If the GAA wanted RTÉ to show League matches, they would have to make it worth RTÉ's while, i.e. pay them to broadcast them or take less from the Championship TV deal. And yes, I realise costs don't seem to prevent RTÉ making jaunts to All-Ireland League rugby games in front of a man and a dog, but that's different, innit?

Deiseach cost is the issue, but it's not unionisation driving it. RTE outsourced their OB operations a long time ago, and now they use the independent contractors like everyone else. There are two places where cost is a consideration - first off, is it worth in itself to broadcast the matches on the national broadcaster - even a  basic enough OB will cost the guts of 20k, so say you have ten weeks of league coverage - including hurling only weekends etc, can you justify 400k? Remember RTE airtime is more valuable than TG4's - and 20,000 people watching a game on TG4 means a lot more to them than on RTE.

Secondly, TG4's model is low cost, no frills OBs - and we, the viewing public, applaud them for it, think of them as the scrappy underdog and forgive a multitude of sins (which is not to say I think their coverage is substandard - the rise of TG4 sports coverage is one of the greatest stories in Irish broadcasting) but RTE have different expectations factored in, in terms of technology, number of cameras etc - their OBs would be in general more expensive than TG4s (though i think over the past couple of years a more pragmatic attitude has prevailed in there).

[twohands!!!]

Maybe there will eventually be a specialist channel for that . It's getting cheaper. RTE could use the TG4 material.... 

I really think this could be a serious option for the GAA before too long.

You see the likes of Irish TV who are only desperate for content and you see clubs and schools broadcasting games on the internet for a pittance and it's very hard to see the current situation remaining the way it is for much longer.

How much would it cost the GAA to set up a partnership with say Irish TV in order to broadcast a chunk of those games currently not being broadcast? When you think of the number of games that go on around the country every week and the tiny percentage of them that are broadcast - this week alone you have had Sigerson, Fitzgibbon, schools games and junior/intermediate club all-Ireland games plus a raft of league games not being broadcast and it's only the start of February.

Say if they gave Irish TV the rights to the club and league games not broadcast on TG4/Setanta/RTE/Sky in return for broadcasting the games and the GAA retaining the ownership of the rights.

[twohands!!!]

Posted by: deiseach
« on: Today at 10:59:02 AM » Insert Quote
Quote from: rosnarun on Today at 09:56:57 AM
A lot of issues are being thrown into the pot here.
such as GAA's promtion of Gaelic Culture ie Scor, Irish language ect
the GAA as a social force binding communities together
The Quality of TG4's coverage  of games
the Quantity of Games they show from many Competitions
all of which scire very strongly, but i think the original issue was much simpler
as long as the games are transmitted in Irish many non committed people will not watch them. I am not talking about us freaks who post on GAA Chat boards when we should be working but the peole who would go to championship games but not league ones or who Idly choose what to watch  and wouuld even watch the Pro12 rugby on RTE in english but would not be arse watching it on TG4 in Irish
maybe  A similar deal couls be worked out with RTE for the NFL?

My guess - and it is only a guess, but I've been meeja-watching long enough to say it with some confidence - is that the outside broadcast costs for RTÉ, for all manner of reasons (cue a spot of union bashing, no doubt), are astronomical compared to those of the Young Turks in Nemeton. If the GAA wanted RTÉ to show League matches, they would have to make it worth RTÉ's while, i.e. pay them to broadcast them or take less from the Championship TV deal. And yes, I realise costs don't seem to prevent RTÉ making jaunts to All-Ireland League rugby games in front of a man and a dog, but that's different, innit?

Deiseach cost is the issue, but it's not unionisation driving it. RTE outsourced their OB operations a long time ago, and now they use the independent contractors like everyone else. There are two places where cost is a consideration - first off, is it worth in itself to broadcast the matches on the national broadcaster - even a  basic enough OB will cost the guts of 20k, so say you have ten weeks of league coverage - including hurling only weekends etc, can you justify 400k? Remember RTE airtime is more valuable than TG4's - and 20,000 people watching a game on TG4 means a lot more to them than on RTE.

Secondly, TG4's model is low cost, no frills OBs - and we, the viewing public, applaud them for it, think of them as the scrappy underdog and forgive a multitude of sins (which is not to say I think their coverage is substandard - the rise of TG4 sports coverage is one of the greatest stories in Irish broadcasting) but RTE have different expectations factored in, in terms of technology, number of cameras etc - their OBs would be in general more expensive than TG4s (though i think over the past couple of years a more pragmatic attitude has prevailed in there).

Just looking at this weekend on Sunday on RTE 1 at 14:40 they have a repeat of Natural World and at 15:35 The Lady Vanishes also marked as a repeat.

On Saturday evening on RTE2 they have the France Scotland rugby game going on until 19:30 ( the game kicks off at 5 so
followed by Ireland's Grand Slam Journey 2009 (another repeat) and Father Ted at 20:30 yet another repeat.

So basically RTE could easily show 1 national league game this weekend and with a bit of will and adjustment on throw-in times could show two and all that would be affected would be repeats.

The fact that the outside broadcasts would cost RTE 20k is an RTE issue and just symptomatic of how RTE wastes money.

Funny that you say we forgive TG4 a multitude of sins when I'm struggling to remember any technical issues with them, whereas with RTE it seems like they have technical issues all the time.

[seafoid]

Watching a match in Irish sounds a bit like frying an egg in algebra.

You can take a man out of the pale but you can't take the pale out of him

[easytiger95]

Absolutely not a runner Twohands.

1. All these games that are not broadcast, they are still bought and sold under the GAA TV rights deals - so, for instance, TG4 could have shown all the O'byrne cup games, as they hold the rights. But they didn't, because there was no business case to show them. And if the GAA wanted someone else to show them, they'd have to get permission off TG4 to do so.

You could argue that TG4 wouldn't have a moral position to say no - but from a business position, the GAA bundles these matches together for broadcasters to buy - some matches have more value than others in the bundle, but the only way the GAA can get a good price for them is like this. If the GAA started leaning on rights holders to let others broadcast unshown games, they'd soon see the bids for bundles tumble.

2. Irish TV simply would not have the money to produce and show live games every week. In that situation, they'd either be looking for the GAA to subsidise them (something the GAA would never do as it would drain them of operating cash) or to become a subscription channel. And imagine the screams and roars from the grass roots at that stage?

For the record, I think the GAA will eventually have their own channel, but it won't be for games others don;t want to show - they'll keep all their content to themselves, it will be full subscription (with discounts for membership, of course)produce the channel themselves (through an independent company) and put it out on Sky and UPC. All Ireland finals will be on their channel plus RTE. It's the only way to guarantee their revenues, in the mid-term. Think well see it within the next 15 years (probably ten).

[deiseach]

Thanks for that, easytiger95, informative stuff. As you note, opportunity cost matters as much as anything. I hope I didn't give the impression that I welcomed union bashing, but even a dose of facts wouldn't stop the usual suspects!

[seafoid]

Absolutely not a runner Twohands.

1. All these games that are not broadcast, they are still bought and sold under the GAA TV rights deals - so, for instance, TG4 could have shown all the O'byrne cup games, as they hold the rights. But they didn't, because there was no business case to show them. And if the GAA wanted someone else to show them, they'd have to get permission off TG4 to do so.

You could argue that TG4 wouldn't have a moral position to say no - but from a business position, the GAA bundles these matches together for broadcasters to buy - some matches have more value than others in the bundle, but the only way the GAA can get a good price for them is like this. If the GAA started leaning on rights holders to let others broadcast unshown games, they'd soon see the bids for bundles tumble.

2. Irish TV simply would not have the money to produce and show live games every week. In that situation, they'd either be looking for the GAA to subsidise them (something the GAA would never do as it would drain them of operating cash) or to become a subscription channel. And imagine the screams and roars from the grass roots at that stage?

For the record, I think the GAA will eventually have their own channel, but it won't be for games others don;t want to show - they'll keep all their content to themselves, it will be full subscription (with discounts for membership, of course)produce the channel themselves (through an independent company) and put it out on Sky and UPC. All Ireland finals will be on their channel plus RTE. It's the only way to guarantee their revenues, in the mid-term. Think well see it within the next 15 years (probably ten).

The old chestnut of how much the players get will definitely be prominent if this comes to pass
BY the way, what's the life of the Croke Park redevelopment? The GAA will have to start thinking about building up funding for that. 

[joemamas]

Have to agree with overall theme.

Went on GaA.IE a few weeks ago to try to figure out football Championship draw for football, i.e what teams will end up in A and B groups. Just gave up, no info. BTW, if anybody had this can they give me a link.

Thanks

[theticklemister]

Irish TV came to our training in Liverpool during the summer. Poor enough oul set up. They came to a GAA blitz which we organised at the Irish Wigan Festival last May. They are crying out for material to show but don't have the capabilities at all.

[unoino]

Moan moan moan..some posters on here are amazing..they cant see the woods for the trees...how on earth they argue about  gaa culture etc is beyond me....surely the way forward is to exploit the games and get coverage in english...thats for starters...secondly oust the oldman with the 5 yr old nokia relaying the scores from the ground by text..and often inaccurately!..but if the hardliners dont want to change well look at the long term benefits....isolated communities that live in the past ...believing the world evolves around the gaelic language and culture..failure to acknowledge opportunities to grow a market and for communities to reap the rewards... but heyho.... its an idyllic world that an awful lot on here seem to think they can live in...and yet there was hardly anyone who answered the question which was if sky showed all gaa games in english...would they watch.....Incredible!!!

[seafoid]

Moan moan moan..some posters on here are amazing..they cant see the woods for the trees...how on earth they argue about  gaa culture etc is beyond me....surely the way forward is to exploit the games and get coverage in english...thats for starters...secondly oust the oldman with the 5 yr old nokia relaying the scores from the ground by text..and often inaccurately!..but if the hardliners dont want to change well look at the long term benefits....isolated communities that live in the past ...believing the world evolves around the gaelic language and culture..failure to acknowledge opportunities to grow a market and for communities to reap the rewards... but heyho.... its an idyllic world that an awful lot on here seem to think they can live in...and yet there was hardly anyone who answered the question which was if sky showed all gaa games in english...would they watch.....Incredible!!!

speak fahkin English mate

[unoino]

Stick to the point  reverting to stupiod phrases like that above is a great sign to say youve lost the argument. Incredible!!!

[seafoid]

Stick to the point  reverting to stupiod phrases like that above is a great sign to say youve lost the argument. Incredible!!!

It's like asking why do they have TV in France in French. Stuck in a timewarp when English is the global language yada yada.
Why do they still play hurling in Ireland? wouldn't soccer be better  ? Or american football. 
Culture is all about traditions and what people like doing - if people like speaking Irish who are you to diss them ? 

your main problem is that Ireland is too small to support professional GAA with round the clock TV coverage

[Rossfan]

Time we stopped being Irish and gave up all that silliness of having a unique language sports and music etc.
All so a Summer can bet on games

[seafoid]

Time we stopped being Irish and gave up all that silliness of having a unique language sports and music etc.
All so a Summer can bet on games

also accents Rossfan.
It's one thing having ould lads thumbing scores into nokias but why do commentators have to have local accents ?
Can't they talk in a Lancashire accent so people in England can understand them?