Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification

[AustinPowers]

It also has become very polarised. You're either for or against them but nowhere in the middle.

FWIW I like them and I have said for a long time McGuinness doesn't play to them. Games have been clawed back all year but Donegal never went for 2 pointers so couldn't do that. Tbf Kerry didn't let them either. Your man on McBrearty knew what he was trying every time and closed him out. He would probably have went for 2s but couldn't get space (plus missed one).

I don't think it's at all polarised.

Pretty much everyone accepts that the game is better now. Apart from a small minority who are determined to make it into an us vs them. Hence the use, recently on this thread, of derisory, inflammatory language such as "cult" and "media brainwashed".

There's just not enough of them to make noise, to actually create a polarised issue.

You obviously see what you want to see. There's been worse  language  and insults towards those opposed to some rules. "Balloon"  was a recent one

[thewobbler]

It also has become very polarised. You're either for or against them but nowhere in the middle.

FWIW I like them and I have said for a long time McGuinness doesn't play to them. Games have been clawed back all year but Donegal never went for 2 pointers so couldn't do that. Tbf Kerry didn't let them either. Your man on McBrearty knew what he was trying every time and closed him out. He would probably have went for 2s but couldn't get space (plus missed one).

I don't think it's at all polarised.

Pretty much everyone accepts that the game is better now. Apart from a small minority who are determined to make it into an us vs them. Hence the use, recently on this thread, of derisory, inflammatory language such as "cult" and "media brainwashed".

There's just not enough of them to make noise, to actually create a polarised issue.

You obviously see what you want to see. There's been worse  language  and insults towards those opposed to some rules. "Balloon"  was a recent one

Perhaps Austin. Thing is. Calling an individual a balloon is not the same thing as describing a (majority) thought process as a cult. The former is a reaction. The latter is unhinged.

[GTP]

Maybe the GPA might do one now intercounty season has ended but I'd guess if you offered a choice between the old rules and new rules you'd probably get 90% plus for the new rules. This is based on talking to current players and what players have been saying in the media.

It should not be a debate about old rules versus new rules it should be about what the best set of rules should be for the next five years. If anyone on here can honestly say that at the end of the 2024 season they thought that a player starting a match off the pitch and running on when the throw in was taken would enhance Gaelic Football I would be astounded. The one man throw in may be less messy but the solution of players not being on the pitch, or as really happens sneaking on behind the referees back or in their face is not any better. A simple adaptation that they need to 13m away on the pitch behind the throw would at least have them as active participants. Foul against if they encroach and interfere with the play e.g. win the break or immediate possession from a pass. 

[EoinW]

Yes guilty as charged...again!

"Cult" was over the top.  If you look at my original post it was me using artistic license.  I'd referred to someone not "slaying the sacred cow" then continued with the religious analogy and used the word "cult".

However you are not getting an apology on this one because the posters here who support the rules changes have been consistent for the past six months.  The game was RUINED and all discussion must be based on that one fact.  The traditionalist here who don't agree with that fact have been condemned as guilty of wrong thinking.

We attack the rules changes.  You attack the traditionalists.  It has been a cultish reaction at times.

[AustinPowers]

It also has become very polarised. You're either for or against them but nowhere in the middle.

FWIW I like them and I have said for a long time McGuinness doesn't play to them. Games have been clawed back all year but Donegal never went for 2 pointers so couldn't do that. Tbf Kerry didn't let them either. Your man on McBrearty knew what he was trying every time and closed him out. He would probably have went for 2s but couldn't get space (plus missed one).

I don't think it's at all polarised.

Pretty much everyone accepts that the game is better now. Apart from a small minority who are determined to make it into an us vs them. Hence the use, recently on this thread, of derisory, inflammatory language such as "cult" and "media brainwashed".

There's just not enough of them to make noise, to actually create a polarised issue.

You obviously see what you want to see. There's been worse  language  and insults towards those opposed to some rules. "Balloon"  was a recent one

Perhaps Austin. Thing is. Calling an individual a balloon is not the same thing as describing a (majority) thought process as a cult. The former is a reaction. The latter is unhinged.

Is it a majority though? From my own experience, be  it talking to  people/players , on forums , at matches etc... I'd said it's  nearly 50:50 about the new rules.  I think the only definite thing is  rules like the tap n go have been  overwhelmingly positive. Everything else has  been divided. 

I know the old  game wasn't perfect. A couple of changes would have been enough (eg. No passback to GK, 3v3, or whatever). Now we're getting to the  point where we'll likely see more rules introduced to counteract the  last ones. At this rate, we'll end up with a game resembling  American football or netball).

[Rossfan]

The GAAboard "legion of the rearguard" still digging in. Time to stop digging lads and go to a few games and try to take the scowls off yer faces.

There's a great big happy gaelic football world out there.

[trileacman]

The GAAboard "legion of the rearguard" still digging in. Time to stop digging lads and go to a few games and try to take the scowls off yer faces.

There's a great big happy gaelic football world out there.

Why do you always look to close down any debate around the rules of the GAA? Could you not try and debate some of the points like an intelligent person instead of piling in with insults about "whinging" and "scowls".

[Rossfan]

Because it's an Internet forum and I can say what I feel

The 5 or 6 old rules advocates have had their say, a lot of it embarrassing and no need for them to keep on ad nauseum.
Of course they can if they want.....

[trileacman]

I don't think this year is a reflection on where the tactics of the game have settled out either. I think most counties are trying to play new tactics with squads and teams built around the old rules. Someone said on the Tyrone thread we play too many players who are one-paced and the new 1v1 rules mean that if you've the pace to burn your man you will almost always invariably put yourself in a scoring position. I thought it was an interesting point.

Really teams should be on the lookout for the Gavin Whites, Paudie Clifford, Jack Mc Caffrey's, Oisin Conaty and Mick McKernans. I think the days of playmakers or passers of the ball are largely over.

I fear the game will move towards an attacking strategy built solely around speed and soloing at pace, at the expense of footballing skill. It'll be interesting to see the longevity of a career of say Sean O'Se, bar the Armagh game he has struggled to have his usual impact on games. Likewise the way Kerry sought to punish Michael Murphy on kick outs and the way he was frequently punished for his 1v1 defending all year you'd wonder just how someone of his physique will cope under the new rules.

[trileacman]

Because it's an Internet forum and I can say what I feel

The 5 or 6 old rules advocates have had their say, a lot of it embarrassing and no need for them to keep on ad nauseum.
Of course they can if they want.....

If you don't want to or can't discuss the issues around the rules maybe you shouldn't bother reading this thread. If you're only here to dish out insults we'll manage without you.

[Milltown Row2]

I don't think this year is a reflection on where the tactics of the game have settled out either. I think most counties are trying to play new tactics with squads and teams built around the old rules. Someone said on the Tyrone thread we play too many players who are one-paced and the new 1v1 rules mean that if you've the pace to burn your man you will almost always invariably put yourself in a scoring position. I thought it was an interesting point.

Really teams should be on the lookout for the Gavin Whites, Paudie Clifford, Jack Mc Caffrey's, Oisin Conaty and Mick McKernans. I think the days of playmakers or passers of the ball are largely over.

I fear the game will move towards an attacking strategy built solely around speed and soloing at pace, at the expense of footballing skill.

Two great skills, plus with the added scoring that will still be needed, its not bad, defenders will just have to learn how to be quicker, stronger and smarter.

[trileacman]

I don't think this year is a reflection on where the tactics of the game have settled out either. I think most counties are trying to play new tactics with squads and teams built around the old rules. Someone said on the Tyrone thread we play too many players who are one-paced and the new 1v1 rules mean that if you've the pace to burn your man you will almost always invariably put yourself in a scoring position. I thought it was an interesting point.

Really teams should be on the lookout for the Gavin Whites, Paudie Clifford, Jack Mc Caffrey's, Oisin Conaty and Mick McKernans. I think the days of playmakers or passers of the ball are largely over.

I fear the game will move towards an attacking strategy built solely around speed and soloing at pace, at the expense of footballing skill.

Two great skills, plus with the added scoring that will still be needed, its not bad, defenders will just have to learn how to be quicker, stronger and smarter.

I don't think this year is a reflection on where the tactics of the game have settled out either. I think most counties are trying to play new tactics with squads and teams built around the old rules. Someone said on the Tyrone thread we play too many players who are one-paced and the new 1v1 rules mean that if you've the pace to burn your man you will almost always invariably put yourself in a scoring position. I thought it was an interesting point.

Really teams should be on the lookout for the Gavin Whites, Paudie Clifford, Jack Mc Caffrey's, Oisin Conaty and Mick McKernans. I think the days of playmakers or passers of the ball are largely over.

I fear the game will move towards an attacking strategy built solely around speed and soloing at pace, at the expense of footballing skill.

Two great skills, plus with the added scoring that will still be needed, its not bad, defenders will just have to learn how to be quicker, stronger and smarter.

Yeah it is but if becomes a feature of pretty much every attack then football becomes a bit dull and repetitive.

[Wildweasel74]

Still remove the 2pt free,a goal worth just 3, it's hard to even score 2 goals these days, and 3 frees outside the 40 the same as 2 goals.Its too big a reward for a skill that any decent country free taker can convert. And hence earlier people wondering why defenders shadow and not tackle hard. The foul they may give away is too big a risk in that area points wise.

[Armagh18]

I don't think this year is a reflection on where the tactics of the game have settled out either. I think most counties are trying to play new tactics with squads and teams built around the old rules. Someone said on the Tyrone thread we play too many players who are one-paced and the new 1v1 rules mean that if you've the pace to burn your man you will almost always invariably put yourself in a scoring position. I thought it was an interesting point.

Really teams should be on the lookout for the Gavin Whites, Paudie Clifford, Jack Mc Caffrey's, Oisin Conaty and Mick McKernans. I think the days of playmakers or passers of the ball are largely over.

I fear the game will move towards an attacking strategy built solely around speed and soloing at pace, at the expense of footballing skill. It'll be interesting to see the longevity of a career of say Sean O'Se, bar the Armagh game he has struggled to have his usual impact on games. Likewise the way Kerry sought to punish Michael Murphy on kick outs and the way he was frequently punished for his 1v1 defending all year you'd wonder just how someone of his physique will cope under the new rules.

As long as the 2 pointer is in you'd imagine the likes of a Sean O'Shea will still have a big impact

[gallsman]

The 4-point goal is being discussed as a response to the legitimate criticism that, currently, a 2-pointer is simply too easy to be worth 2/3 of a goal.

To me, that's a daft way of looking at things. Rather they should look to make the 2 pointer a harder, more spectacular feat to accomplish. Keep it, but get rid of the arc and simply say anything outside the '45. That'll reduce the number of "cheap" two pointers massively.