Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification

[Captain Scarlet]

There's talk on the Final thread about lack of competitiveness there and it being bad. But Donegal went out to play a certain way that clearly wasn't working. It doesn't matter the rules if you are getting it so wrong.

If it's a close game we all want it's not always a good thing. I looked back and rememebered Down v Armagh last year in Ulster. 1-2 to 0-5 at half time. It was diabolical as it was all back and forth in midefield. Lads standing 10 yards away from another lads who was soloing on the spot. Any time Armagh put any pressure on Down they messed up.

Who wants that?! Also, Donegal were flying in the new rules and played some lovely stuff, but it was a collective failure in the final and an old-fashioned lack of intensity that lost it for them. New rules or old rules they were not winning yesterday they way they went out.

There will be tweaks but I for one am much happier watching the games this year.

[blanketattack]

The new rules have been very good for the most part. Still unsure on the two pointer but the 3 up, no passing back to the keeper, the 1 on 1 for throw in, solo and go and the punishment for lack of discipline. All have been positive. There wasn't any lip to the referee yesterday nor was there holding onto the ball. It is a far better spectacle than the drivel we have been watching thr last few years.

Not sure if any further changes are needed.

No yellow cards either

[thewobbler]

People espousing the shite that was gaelic basketball this year because they are so brainwashed by the media.

Talk me through "brainwashed" here.

For I'm getting the impression that you're unable to separate a general consensus from state-sponsored mind control.

So here's a few pointers for you:

1. If you're in a minority, it doesn't mean you're wrong.

2. If you're in a tiny minority, it still doesn't mean you're wrong. But it does mean you probably think differently to most people. 

3. If you think differently to most people, it doesn't make you right.

4. If you think differently to most people, and tend to get obsessive about topics, then you'll likely amplify those topics when you encounter them.

5. When you amplify topics in which you hold a small minority view, there's a strong chance you'll become a paranoid mess anytime the topic appears.

[Rossfan]

Hurling Final margin 15 points
Hurling semis margins 20 points and 2 points.

Reaction.. so what?

Football Final margin 10 points
Football semis margins 20 and 6.
Reaction...meltdown

[Captain Obvious]

Hurling Final margin 15 points
Hurling semis margins 20 points and 2 points.

Reaction.. so what?

Football Final margin 10 points
Football semis margins 20 and 6.
Reaction...meltdown

Hurling has it's own issue however nobody can mention that as will be shouted down as Hurling is great.

The load of new rules was brought into football in short space of time was sold on the idea of making football great.

The reaction I see is balanced on here and elsewhere than any meltdown,  A good quality final yesterday wasn't going cover over what had gone before.  Any new rules are fully judged on knock out championship football and for one to be truly honest things have not lived up to the expectations that FRC and media had.   

[The Trap]

You have described yourself perfectly Wobbler as you are definitely in the minority on here who thinks that the rules are perfect.

[Truthsayer]

Hurling Final margin 15 points
Hurling semis margins 20 points and 2 points.

Reaction.. so what?

Football Final margin 10 points
Football semis margins 20 and 6.
Reaction...meltdown

Who had the meltdown? Some posters on GAA Board? Was a great football championship compared to the dirge inflicted on us in recent years.
And club football so much more enjoyable and watchable now. No matter what the rules there will be occasionally very one-sided games.
Donegals defeat was down to not having the courage to hit a few 2 pointers and a bad day at the office with poor passes etc; not the new rules.

[Milltown Row2]

Never seen the second half, was there any physically? Was there no 'getting to know you' skirmishes, no break in the momentum to reset, there was none in the first half.

Donegal were poor, and allowed Kerry the ball, gave them far too much respect and tactical were poor.

But if Donegal were poor how bad were the rest? Oh wait they hammered the others, I'd say not just Donegal but Armagh and Tyrone are well off the pace

[Truthsayer]

Never seen the second half, was there any physically? Was there no 'getting to know you' skirmishes, no break in the momentum to reset, there was none in the first half.

Donegal were poor, and allowed Kerry the ball, gave them far too much respect and tactical were poor.

But if Donegal were poor how bad were the rest? Oh wait they hammered the others, I'd say not just Donegal but Armagh and Tyrone are well off the pace

The good news is the new rules allow the best footballers to shine.
The bad news is Kerry have the best footballers.. which has often been the way down the decades.

[AustinPowers]

Never seen the second half, was there any physically? Was there no 'getting to know you' skirmishes, no break in the momentum to reset, there was none in the first half.

Donegal were poor, and allowed Kerry the ball, gave them far too much respect and tactical were poor.

But if Donegal were poor how bad were the rest? Oh wait they hammered the others, I'd say not just Donegal but Armagh and Tyrone are well off the pace

The good news is the new rules allow the best footballers to shine.
The bad news is Kerry have the best footballers.. which has often been the way down the decades.

They've still only won 9  from the last 39. Just saying 

[Cunny Funt]

Never seen the second half, was there any physically? Was there no 'getting to know you' skirmishes, no break in the momentum to reset, there was none in the first half.

Donegal were poor, and allowed Kerry the ball, gave them far too much respect and tactical were poor.

But if Donegal were poor how bad were the rest? Oh wait they hammered the others, I'd say not just Donegal but Armagh and Tyrone are well off the pace

Was little change in Donegal's play 2nd half. Was expecting them to step it up on the aggression,intensity wise but no real improvement 2nd half.  A few handy frees brought the margin back to four though Kerry remained in control and kept Donegal at arms length.  New or old rules the way Donegal performed yesterday was never going to get close to winning All Ireland final.

[DaleCooper]

The club aspect is great but still the problem remains as Enda McGinley reminded me.


He mentioned Clifford's GPS probably would shown very little and the thought occurred to him as he was perusing his club GPS data earlier in the day.

Club GPS data...groan

[EoinW]

The new rules have in general been very positive, esp at club level, but ther are a few issues. The lack of goals is a problem; why bust a gut when a two pointer is almost as beneficial, so increasing the goal to 4 pts would be worth considering. Also the effect of wind advantage has been greatly increased by the 2 pointers, so some way of curtailing the 2 pters might be considered, maybe pushing out the line to e.g 50 meters, so it would reguire a massive boot.
I'd agree the the knock-out games, eagerly anticipated, have been disappointing, v few close contests, so the new rules seem to exaggerate the differences between teams. Contrast this with soccer, where the underdog might be outplayed, but can still hang in and get a result (England vs Spain) was a prime example lst night)

You make two strong points for abolishing the 2 pointer.  Yet you can't bring yourself to slay that sacred cow.

Curious how those who support the new rules have embraced them like a religious cult.  I'm just relieved for your sakes that the FRC made their sales pitch before some guy sold you a bridge in Brooklyn!

[Rossfan]

Jases now people who enjoy watching football again are "a cult".

[DaleCooper]

Never seen the second half, was there any physically? Was there no 'getting to know you' skirmishes, no break in the momentum to reset, there was none in the first half.

Donegal were poor, and allowed Kerry the ball, gave them far too much respect and tactical were poor.

But if Donegal were poor how bad were the rest? Oh wait they hammered the others, I'd say not just Donegal but Armagh and Tyrone are well off the pace

When Diarmuid O Connor came on there was some "physio checkups by the Donegal boyos