Donegal (2011-2014) v Tyrone (2003-2008) v Armagh (1999-2006)

[Mike Sheehy]

Backbone?  It's only a bit of craic on a discussion board with a fair helping of craptalk thrown in. Not exactly gunfight at the ok coral stuff.

Exactly my point. No need to be afraid of a bit of slagging.

[ONeill]

On Sunday night I watched the Tyrone v Dublin game from 2008 - a similar ambush to Sunday's Donegal game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peQex5vomcc

Does anyone else think the physical appearance of footballers has changed massively in 6 years?

I can't see that Tyrone team coping with either the modern Donegal or Dublin side. Maybe I'm doing them an injustice as that Tyrone side had talent dripping from them. But....look at the shape of some of Tyrone's main men.

[rrhf]

Tyrone would have bate the pick of them

[squire_in_navy_slacks]

On Sunday night I watched the Tyrone v Dublin game from 2008 - a similar ambush to Sunday's Donegal game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peQex5vomcc

Does anyone else think the physical appearance of footballers has changed massively in 6 years?

I can't see that Tyrone team coping with either the modern Donegal or Dublin side. Maybe I'm doing them an injustice as that Tyrone side had talent dripping from them. But....look at the shape of some of Tyrone's main men.

Theres no need to post that link after the Sunday we had 

[ONeill]

Tyrone would have bate the pick of them

Seriously - do you think Davy Harte, Collie McCullagh, Joe McMahon, McGinley, Dooher et al could have penetrated that Donegal physicality?

I know Donegal have McHugh who is a slightish fellow but he's the only luxury they have.

[Rodman]

In terms of pure football ability, Tyrone had the best players followed closely by Kerry then Armagh and lastly Donegal. Make no doubt about it, Jim mcGuinness is the only reason why Donegal have won anything. Had they anyone else at the helm. they would have not even have won an Ulster Title. Tyrone and Kerry would have won All-Irelands with Postman Pat as their manager such was the calibre of their players.  Once MCGuinness leaves Donegal will go back to mediocrity again.

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

Mike Sheehy pontificating on aspects of Ulster football is akin to Osama Bin Laden expounding on the irresistible attractions of US Neoconservatism.

[From the Bunker]

I think there is a strong argument that had the Troubles not happened Kerry would have won a good deal fewer all Irelands between 1969 and 1990.

Down would have beaten them a few times and Tyrone probably would have too.
The security situation meant it took Tyrone much longer to get going but when they did they were well able to beat Kerry in the big matches.

blah blah <cynically manipulate the Nordies> blah blah < politicize everything> blah blah <look for the jewish angle>

blah blah..etc , etc

same old formula

When is the last time a Kerry team has beaten a Ulster/Leinster team in an AI final?

[J70]

In terms of pure football ability, Tyrone had the best players followed closely by Kerry then Armagh and lastly Donegal. Make no doubt about it, Jim mcGuinness is the only reason why Donegal have won anything. Had they anyone else at the helm. they would have not even have won an Ulster Title. Tyrone and Kerry would have won All-Irelands with Postman Pat as their manager such was the calibre of their players.  Once MCGuinness leaves Donegal will go back to mediocrity again.

Right, Mickey Harte had nothing to do with anything, nor did his system.  But Jim McGuinness had eveything to do with Donegal's success. The players were/are irrelevant.

[Rodman]

In terms of pure football ability, Tyrone had the best players followed closely by Kerry then Armagh and lastly Donegal. Make no doubt about it, Jim mcGuinness is the only reason why Donegal have won anything. Had they anyone else at the helm. they would have not even have won an Ulster Title. Tyrone and Kerry would have won All-Irelands with Postman Pat as their manager such was the calibre of their players.  Once MCGuinness leaves Donegal will go back to mediocrity again.

Right, Mickey Harte had nothing to do with anything, nor did his system.  But Jim McGuinness had eveything to do with Donegal's success. The players were/are irrelevant.

Pretty much, yes.  To put it simply, Without Jimmy, Donegal would not have won an all-Ireland, Tyrone would have won all-irelands without Harte. 

[BennyHarp]

I think there is a strong argument that had the Troubles not happened Kerry would have won a good deal fewer all Irelands between 1969 and 1990.

Down would have beaten them a few times and Tyrone probably would have too.
The security situation meant it took Tyrone much longer to get going but when they did they were well able to beat Kerry in the big matches.

blah blah <cynically manipulate the Nordies> blah blah < politicize everything> blah blah <look for the jewish angle>

blah blah..etc , etc

same old formula

When is the last time a Kerry team has beaten a Ulster/Leinster team in an AI final?

Good question. Nearly 30 years - 1986 Tyrone and 1985 Dublin by my reckoning with 4 losses during that time to Armagh (2002), Tyrone (2005 & 2008) and Dublin 2012.

[BennyHarp]

In terms of pure football ability, Tyrone had the best players followed closely by Kerry then Armagh and lastly Donegal. Make no doubt about it, Jim mcGuinness is the only reason why Donegal have won anything. Had they anyone else at the helm. they would have not even have won an Ulster Title. Tyrone and Kerry would have won All-Irelands with Postman Pat as their manager such was the calibre of their players.  Once MCGuinness leaves Donegal will go back to mediocrity again.

Right, Mickey Harte had nothing to do with anything, nor did his system.  But Jim McGuinness had eveything to do with Donegal's success. The players were/are irrelevant.

Sure do you not remember that according to Mike they were all alcoholics before Jimmy took over?

[Armamike]

In terms of pure football ability, Tyrone had the best players followed closely by Kerry then Armagh and lastly Donegal. Make no doubt about it, Jim mcGuinness is the only reason why Donegal have won anything. Had they anyone else at the helm. they would have not even have won an Ulster Title. Tyrone and Kerry would have won All-Irelands with Postman Pat as their manager such was the calibre of their players.  Once MCGuinness leaves Donegal will go back to mediocrity again.

Right, Mickey Harte had nothing to do with anything, nor did his system.  But Jim McGuinness had eveything to do with Donegal's success. The players were/are irrelevant.

Pretty much, yes.  To put it simply, Without Jimmy, Donegal would not have won an all-Ireland, Tyrone would have won all-irelands without Harte.

How do you know this?  Before Harte came on the scene they always came up short. Funny how they started winning AIs with him in charge.

[Rodman]

In terms of pure football ability, Tyrone had the best players followed closely by Kerry then Armagh and lastly Donegal. Make no doubt about it, Jim mcGuinness is the only reason why Donegal have won anything. Had they anyone else at the helm. they would have not even have won an Ulster Title. Tyrone and Kerry would have won All-Irelands with Postman Pat as their manager such was the calibre of their players.  Once MCGuinness leaves Donegal will go back to mediocrity again.

Right, Mickey Harte had nothing to do with anything, nor did his system.  But Jim McGuinness had eveything to do with Donegal's success. The players were/are irrelevant.

Pretty much, yes.  To put it simply, Without Jimmy, Donegal would not have won an all-Ireland, Tyrone would have won all-irelands without Harte.

How do you know this?  Before Harte came on the scene they always came up short. Funny how they started winning AIs with him in charge.

Well obviously i dont know this for sure but Tyrone didnt have the same calibre of players before this group came along.  This was a special bunch of players. There is even an argument for saying Harte under achieved with this group.

[Mike Sheehy]

I think there is a strong argument that had the Troubles not happened Kerry would have won a good deal fewer all Irelands between 1969 and 1990.

Down would have beaten them a few times and Tyrone probably would have too.
The security situation meant it took Tyrone much longer to get going but when they did they were well able to beat Kerry in the big matches.

blah blah <cynically manipulate the Nordies> blah blah < politicize everything> blah blah <look for the jewish angle>

blah blah..etc , etc

same old formula

When is the last time a Kerry team has beaten a Ulster/Leinster team in an AI final?

Who cares when you win Sam. They are all as sweet.