Down Club Hurling & Football

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clonian

Quote from: Truth hurts on May 22, 2025, 01:59:18 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 22, 2025, 01:36:03 PMThere's a dearth of referees no doubt. It would seem there's only 5-6 left on the Newry area juvenile football circuit. f**k knows how we'd survive if losing 1-2 more.

But Wednesdays present the biggest obstacle I'd think. U14 boys and girls football are on the same slot, an age group when middle sized clubs like ours have the numbers to run 2 teams, and all the bigger clubs are running As and Bs (and even Cs).

That's not great planning by the fixtures committee.

Both moved U14s to Wednesday too. Last year was lads U16s (less teams) and U12 girls with no appointed refs.

Truth hurts

Quote from: clonian on May 22, 2025, 02:52:11 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 22, 2025, 01:59:18 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 22, 2025, 01:36:03 PMThere's a dearth of referees no doubt. It would seem there's only 5-6 left on the Newry area juvenile football circuit. f**k knows how we'd survive if losing 1-2 more.

But Wednesdays present the biggest obstacle I'd think. U14 boys and girls football are on the same slot, an age group when middle sized clubs like ours have the numbers to run 2 teams, and all the bigger clubs are running As and Bs (and even Cs).

That's not great planning by the fixtures committee.

Both moved U14s to Wednesday too. Last year was lads U16s (less teams) and U12 girls with no appointed refs.

Was this not noticed prior to the start of the season?

manwithnoplan

Quote from: Truth hurts on May 22, 2025, 04:36:12 PM
Quote from: clonian on May 22, 2025, 02:52:11 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 22, 2025, 01:59:18 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 22, 2025, 01:36:03 PMThere's a dearth of referees no doubt. It would seem there's only 5-6 left on the Newry area juvenile football circuit. f**k knows how we'd survive if losing 1-2 more.

But Wednesdays present the biggest obstacle I'd think. U14 boys and girls football are on the same slot, an age group when middle sized clubs like ours have the numbers to run 2 teams, and all the bigger clubs are running As and Bs (and even Cs).

That's not great planning by the fixtures committee.

Both moved U14s to Wednesday too. Last year was lads U16s (less teams) and U12 girls with no appointed refs.

Was this not noticed prior to the start of the season?

It obviously was, but there are very few nights in the week to play games, and with juveniles often playing two age groups, mentors taking two teams quite often, senior players also helping teams while training and playing themselves, there will always be some nights that leave resources stretched.

Minus15

Ladies game nights were changed this year, with Mondays and Wednesdays now having both male and female matches needing referees.

The Saturday evening for ladies football is no more, with that slot being criminally underutilised.

The motivation for change seemed to be largely around accommodation of clubs that offered camogie, but did little to consider clubs with one pitch. A series of mad proposals which got voted through.

It was fine the way it was.

manwithnoplan

Quote from: Minus15 on May 22, 2025, 10:56:58 PMLadies game nights were changed this year, with Mondays and Wednesdays now having both male and female matches needing referees.

The Saturday evening for ladies football is no more, with that slot being criminally underutilised.

The motivation for change seemed to be largely around accommodation of clubs that offered camogie, but did little to consider clubs with one pitch. A series of mad proposals which got voted through.

It was fine the way it was.

Ladies footballers generally seem happier to play on Thursday nights as opposed to Saturdays. Given the age profiles of many ladies teams, that is understandable. Maybe one of the juvenile leagues could use that slot instead. Though there will be times that it clashes with other sports played by many underage players. In terms of making fixtures there isn't a huge amount that can be done. It is simply down to a lack of referees.

johnnycool

Quote from: manwithnoplan on May 23, 2025, 07:44:20 AM
Quote from: Minus15 on May 22, 2025, 10:56:58 PMLadies game nights were changed this year, with Mondays and Wednesdays now having both male and female matches needing referees.

The Saturday evening for ladies football is no more, with that slot being criminally underutilised.

The motivation for change seemed to be largely around accommodation of clubs that offered camogie, but did little to consider clubs with one pitch. A series of mad proposals which got voted through.

It was fine the way it was.

Ladies footballers generally seem happier to play on Thursday nights as opposed to Saturdays. Given the age profiles of many ladies teams, that is understandable. Maybe one of the juvenile leagues could use that slot instead. Though there will be times that it clashes with other sports played by many underage players. In terms of making fixtures there isn't a huge amount that can be done. It is simply down to a lack of referees.

Down LGFA and Down Camogie got together over the winter and devised a fixture schedule which was devised to allow girls to play both codes and not be pulled from pillar to post, this is a knock on effect.


Truth hurts

Quote from: johnnycool on May 23, 2025, 10:39:57 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on May 23, 2025, 07:44:20 AM
Quote from: Minus15 on May 22, 2025, 10:56:58 PMLadies game nights were changed this year, with Mondays and Wednesdays now having both male and female matches needing referees.

The Saturday evening for ladies football is no more, with that slot being criminally underutilised.

The motivation for change seemed to be largely around accommodation of clubs that offered camogie, but did little to consider clubs with one pitch. A series of mad proposals which got voted through.

It was fine the way it was.

Ladies footballers generally seem happier to play on Thursday nights as opposed to Saturdays. Given the age profiles of many ladies teams, that is understandable. Maybe one of the juvenile leagues could use that slot instead. Though there will be times that it clashes with other sports played by many underage players. In terms of making fixtures there isn't a huge amount that can be done. It is simply down to a lack of referees.

Down LGFA and Down Camogie got together over the winter and devised a fixture schedule which was devised to allow girls to play both codes and not be pulled from pillar to post, this is a knock on effect.



What do you mean by the knock on effect?

johnnycool

Quote from: Truth hurts on May 23, 2025, 11:46:34 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 23, 2025, 10:39:57 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on May 23, 2025, 07:44:20 AM
Quote from: Minus15 on May 22, 2025, 10:56:58 PMLadies game nights were changed this year, with Mondays and Wednesdays now having both male and female matches needing referees.

The Saturday evening for ladies football is no more, with that slot being criminally underutilised.

The motivation for change seemed to be largely around accommodation of clubs that offered camogie, but did little to consider clubs with one pitch. A series of mad proposals which got voted through.

It was fine the way it was.

Ladies footballers generally seem happier to play on Thursday nights as opposed to Saturdays. Given the age profiles of many ladies teams, that is understandable. Maybe one of the juvenile leagues could use that slot instead. Though there will be times that it clashes with other sports played by many underage players. In terms of making fixtures there isn't a huge amount that can be done. It is simply down to a lack of referees.

Down LGFA and Down Camogie got together over the winter and devised a fixture schedule which was devised to allow girls to play both codes and not be pulled from pillar to post, this is a knock on effect.



What do you mean by the knock on effect?


LGFA out the same night as juvenile football stretching the referees pool.

I'm not so sure it was "fine the way it was" previously either. There were more and more clashes between LGFA and camogie than enough throughout the year over fixtures.


manwithnoplan

Are the stand tickets sold out for next Saturday's game? Or am I not using the Ticketmaster site correctly....

clonian

Quote from: johnnycool on May 23, 2025, 11:54:59 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 23, 2025, 11:46:34 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 23, 2025, 10:39:57 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on May 23, 2025, 07:44:20 AM
Quote from: Minus15 on May 22, 2025, 10:56:58 PMLadies game nights were changed this year, with Mondays and Wednesdays now having both male and female matches needing referees.

The Saturday evening for ladies football is no more, with that slot being criminally underutilised.

The motivation for change seemed to be largely around accommodation of clubs that offered camogie, but did little to consider clubs with one pitch. A series of mad proposals which got voted through.

It was fine the way it was.

Ladies footballers generally seem happier to play on Thursday nights as opposed to Saturdays. Given the age profiles of many ladies teams, that is understandable. Maybe one of the juvenile leagues could use that slot instead. Though there will be times that it clashes with other sports played by many underage players. In terms of making fixtures there isn't a huge amount that can be done. It is simply down to a lack of referees.

Down LGFA and Down Camogie got together over the winter and devised a fixture schedule which was devised to allow girls to play both codes and not be pulled from pillar to post, this is a knock on effect.



What do you mean by the knock on effect?


LGFA out the same night as juvenile football stretching the referees pool.

I'm not so sure it was "fine the way it was" previously either. There were more and more clashes between LGFA and camogie than enough throughout the year over fixtures.



The LGFA and camogs working around each other is a good thing - it was overdue. It just needs an overall controller now over the 4 codes for fixtures clashes etc. Teams with one field do get overlooked in the fixture lists.

I think the Europa league final might of had a bigger effect on refs available on Wednesday night than people want to admit

Truth hurts

Quote from: clonian on May 23, 2025, 12:50:49 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 23, 2025, 11:54:59 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 23, 2025, 11:46:34 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 23, 2025, 10:39:57 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on May 23, 2025, 07:44:20 AM
Quote from: Minus15 on May 22, 2025, 10:56:58 PMLadies game nights were changed this year, with Mondays and Wednesdays now having both male and female matches needing referees.

The Saturday evening for ladies football is no more, with that slot being criminally underutilised.

The motivation for change seemed to be largely around accommodation of clubs that offered camogie, but did little to consider clubs with one pitch. A series of mad proposals which got voted through.

It was fine the way it was.

Ladies footballers generally seem happier to play on Thursday nights as opposed to Saturdays. Given the age profiles of many ladies teams, that is understandable. Maybe one of the juvenile leagues could use that slot instead. Though there will be times that it clashes with other sports played by many underage players. In terms of making fixtures there isn't a huge amount that can be done. It is simply down to a lack of referees.

Down LGFA and Down Camogie got together over the winter and devised a fixture schedule which was devised to allow girls to play both codes and not be pulled from pillar to post, this is a knock on effect.



What do you mean by the knock on effect?


LGFA out the same night as juvenile football stretching the referees pool.

I'm not so sure it was "fine the way it was" previously either. There were more and more clashes between LGFA and camogie than enough throughout the year over fixtures.



The LGFA and camogs working around each other is a good thing - it was overdue. It just needs an overall controller now over the 4 codes for fixtures clashes etc. Teams with one field do get overlooked in the fixture lists.

I think the Europa league final might of had a bigger effect on refs available on Wednesday night than people want to admit

Is the Down County Board not the overall controller?

clonian

Quote from: Truth hurts on May 23, 2025, 01:50:53 PM
Quote from: clonian on May 23, 2025, 12:50:49 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 23, 2025, 11:54:59 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 23, 2025, 11:46:34 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 23, 2025, 10:39:57 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on May 23, 2025, 07:44:20 AM
Quote from: Minus15 on May 22, 2025, 10:56:58 PMLadies game nights were changed this year, with Mondays and Wednesdays now having both male and female matches needing referees.

The Saturday evening for ladies football is no more, with that slot being criminally underutilised.

The motivation for change seemed to be largely around accommodation of clubs that offered camogie, but did little to consider clubs with one pitch. A series of mad proposals which got voted through.

It was fine the way it was.

Ladies footballers generally seem happier to play on Thursday nights as opposed to Saturdays. Given the age profiles of many ladies teams, that is understandable. Maybe one of the juvenile leagues could use that slot instead. Though there will be times that it clashes with other sports played by many underage players. In terms of making fixtures there isn't a huge amount that can be done. It is simply down to a lack of referees.

Down LGFA and Down Camogie got together over the winter and devised a fixture schedule which was devised to allow girls to play both codes and not be pulled from pillar to post, this is a knock on effect.



What do you mean by the knock on effect?


LGFA out the same night as juvenile football stretching the referees pool.

I'm not so sure it was "fine the way it was" previously either. There were more and more clashes between LGFA and camogie than enough throughout the year over fixtures.



The LGFA and camogs working around each other is a good thing - it was overdue. It just needs an overall controller now over the 4 codes for fixtures clashes etc. Teams with one field do get overlooked in the fixture lists.

I think the Europa league final might of had a bigger effect on refs available on Wednesday night than people want to admit

Is the Down County Board not the overall controller?

Not in the sense that someone is checking for fixture clashes etc. It's similar with the hurling and football too

lfdown2

Quote from: manwithnoplan on May 23, 2025, 12:47:56 PMAre the stand tickets sold out for next Saturday's game? Or am I not using the Ticketmaster site correctly....

Sold out - I would imagine the proximity to Louth has a big bearing on that!

johnnycool

Quote from: clonian on May 23, 2025, 02:11:41 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 23, 2025, 01:50:53 PM
Quote from: clonian on May 23, 2025, 12:50:49 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 23, 2025, 11:54:59 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 23, 2025, 11:46:34 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 23, 2025, 10:39:57 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on May 23, 2025, 07:44:20 AM
Quote from: Minus15 on May 22, 2025, 10:56:58 PMLadies game nights were changed this year, with Mondays and Wednesdays now having both male and female matches needing referees.

The Saturday evening for ladies football is no more, with that slot being criminally underutilised.

The motivation for change seemed to be largely around accommodation of clubs that offered camogie, but did little to consider clubs with one pitch. A series of mad proposals which got voted through.

It was fine the way it was.

Ladies footballers generally seem happier to play on Thursday nights as opposed to Saturdays. Given the age profiles of many ladies teams, that is understandable. Maybe one of the juvenile leagues could use that slot instead. Though there will be times that it clashes with other sports played by many underage players. In terms of making fixtures there isn't a huge amount that can be done. It is simply down to a lack of referees.

Down LGFA and Down Camogie got together over the winter and devised a fixture schedule which was devised to allow girls to play both codes and not be pulled from pillar to post, this is a knock on effect.



What do you mean by the knock on effect?


LGFA out the same night as juvenile football stretching the referees pool.

I'm not so sure it was "fine the way it was" previously either. There were more and more clashes between LGFA and camogie than enough throughout the year over fixtures.



The LGFA and camogs working around each other is a good thing - it was overdue. It just needs an overall controller now over the 4 codes for fixtures clashes etc. Teams with one field do get overlooked in the fixture lists.

I think the Europa league final might of had a bigger effect on refs available on Wednesday night than people want to admit

Is the Down County Board not the overall controller?

Not in the sense that someone is checking for fixture clashes etc. It's similar with the hurling and football too

The hurling and football fixtures are set by the master fixtures calendar shared with the clubs prior to the leagues kicking off.


clonian



The LGFA and camogs working around each other is a good thing - it was overdue. It just needs an overall controller now over the 4 codes for fixtures clashes etc. Teams with one field do get overlooked in the fixture lists.

I think the Europa league final might of had a bigger effect on refs available on Wednesday night than people want to admit
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Is the Down County Board not the overall controller?
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Not in the sense that someone is checking for fixture clashes etc. It's similar with the hurling and football too
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The hurling and football fixtures are set by the master fixtures calendar shared with the clubs prior to the leagues kicking off.


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I meant more around championship fixtures at the end of the year. We've had clashes there especially when you've got dual lads playing for 2 different clubs.