Down Club Hurling & Football

thewobbler · July 21, 2021, 03:07:24 PM

Ordinarily I'd agree with you Stiffbreeze. Managers have spent my whole life trying to get out of matches instead of just playing the fecking things.

But this year is a nine match, no play-off format, where 20% of the teams get relegated - and potentially three of those nine games could be starred.

We've created a situation whereby an adjustment of a single defeat into a draw will be vital for half the clubs in the county (indeed, scoring difference in any given match could prove vital).

So asking managers to plough on with this now is a bit like dealing a massive hand, then allowing some teams to change cards, and others not to. That's not on.

stiff breeze · July 21, 2021, 03:16:29 PM

Has that not always been the case ? Some teams with league winning aspirations and some with survival aspirations get shafted due to county players on their squad and some dont ? And again we are talking about under 20 lads here in senior teams not county seniors, huge difference .

thewobbler · July 21, 2021, 03:22:27 PM

But you can't compare a 9-game season that was scheduled to run off 9 over 7 weeks, with a 22 game game season that was run off offer 6 months and culminated in playoffs at the end as a safety net.

The playoffs and the starred system really do kind of need each other, in times of county success.

stiff breeze · July 21, 2021, 04:00:34 PM

Promote and relegate only 1 and playoff with top 2 and bottom 2 then . Games go ahead and 1 extra game

Truth hurts · July 21, 2021, 04:17:11 PM

Quote from: stiff breeze on July 21, 2021, 04:00:34 PM
Promote and relegate only 1 and playoff with top 2 and bottom 2 then . Games go ahead and 1 extra game

That would not solve anything as the margin for error would be so tight. In a 5 game league, 5 wins would see you safe.

I have yet to see a better idea than not having relegation and still have a promotion.

stiff breeze · July 21, 2021, 04:34:58 PM

I'm a 9 game league 5 wins would see you safe no matter what . No relegation will mean meaningless games and teams not fielding due to nothing to play for after 5 games . With or without a few 20 year olds for 4 games the worst teams will end up at the bottom and the better at the top as usually happens in any league . The playoff game is just to give each team involved a fair crack at survival or promotion with their full panel . The main pluses to that system are it allows us to carry on regardless of county and leaves the league competitive

Truth hurts · July 21, 2021, 04:43:54 PM

Quote from: stiff breeze on July 21, 2021, 04:34:58 PM
I'm a 9 game league 5 wins would see you safe no matter what . No relegation will mean meaningless games and teams not fielding due to nothing to play for after 5 games . With or without a few 20 year olds for 4 games the worst teams will end up at the bottom and the better at the top as usually happens in any league . The playoff game is just to give each team involved a fair crack at survival or promotion with their full panel . The main pluses to that system are it allows us to carry on regardless of county and leaves the league competitive

Teams will field as all games are played before the championship.

Smurfy123 · July 21, 2021, 05:38:57 PM

If someone in the county board would come out and admit they made an absolute balls of the leagues. Corn an Duin started 9 weeks ago why could the leagues not have started with 18 games and the normal started system like every year?
In a 9 game league as was mentioned here every point is vital
In this weather what a disaster that we will have no matches to attend on Friday

redandblackareback · July 22, 2021, 01:06:36 PM

Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 21, 2021, 05:38:57 PM
If someone in the county board would come out and admit they made an absolute balls of the leagues. Corn an Duin started 9 weeks ago why could the leagues not have started with 18 games and the normal started system like every year?
In a 9 game league as was mentioned here every point is vital
In this weather what a disaster that we will have no matches to attend on Friday

They didn't make a balls of the leagues, at the time it was the right call but unfortunately covid has raised its head again and we didn't make hay while the sun shined so therefore we have no competitive football played and it's frustrating for everyone involved.

Covid is one thing but clubs being held to ransom by an u20 development squad is a bigger issue. Surprised clubs allowing this to happen. Outcome of tonight's meeting will be interesting.

Truth hurts · July 22, 2021, 01:14:54 PM

Quote from: redandblackareback on July 22, 2021, 01:06:36 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 21, 2021, 05:38:57 PM
If someone in the county board would come out and admit they made an absolute balls of the leagues. Corn an Duin started 9 weeks ago why could the leagues not have started with 18 games and the normal started system like every year?
In a 9 game league as was mentioned here every point is vital
In this weather what a disaster that we will have no matches to attend on Friday

They didn't make a balls of the leagues, at the time it was the right call but unfortunately covid has raised its head again and we didn't make hay while the sun shined so therefore we have no competitive football played and it's frustrating for everyone involved.

Covid is one thing but clubs being held to ransom by an u20 development squad is a bigger issue. Surprised clubs allowing this to happen. Outcome of tonight's meeting will be interesting.

Next season the county board will have to tell the senior and u20 that club players have to play in club league and not play 14 days before championship games, get back to the starred system.
This season we need a quick fix to get the games up and running and there is only one real option.

Smurfy123 · July 22, 2021, 04:15:53 PM

How did they not make a balls of it?
How was it not the right time to start the league at the start of May?
Why not start the league instead of a Mickey Mouse competition that wasn't taking seriously

Johnnysboys · July 22, 2021, 09:27:56 PM

County board meeting tonight has given a few surprises.. no relegation this year from division 1 and going back to 12 teams next year.. senior matches start next Thursday night.. obviously starred for u20 panel.. let the chastising begin....

stiff breeze · July 22, 2021, 09:53:51 PM

So no relegation from any division ? And all games tomorrow off and re fixed for next Thursday ? Is that the result of tonight ?

Hedgehunter · July 22, 2021, 10:02:55 PM

Quote from: stiff breeze on July 22, 2021, 09:53:51 PM
So no relegation from any division ? And all games tomorrow off and re fixed for next Thursday ? Is that the result of tonight ?

No, any games scheduled for tomorrow go ahead.. Games scheduled for next Friday will be brought forward to Thursday.

Also any Covid postponements will result in a forfeit given the short timeframe before the championship commences.

Truth hurts · July 23, 2021, 08:34:05 AM

Quote from: Johnnysboys on July 22, 2021, 09:27:56 PM
County board meeting tonight has given a few surprises.. no relegation this year from division 1 and going back to 12 teams next year.. senior matches start next Thursday night.. obviously starred for u20 panel.. let the chastising begin....

I think everyone should be happy with games going ahead now, clubs cannot get off with bull shit excuses, good luck to all teams