Are Dublin the best team ever ?

[armaghniac]

They are not playing at home, Croke Park is where All Ireland semi finals and finals are played. They are the only county that regularly bring a crowd big enough to open all of the hill. Look Tyrone have advantages over Fermanagh, unfair built in advantages, the daft provincial system means counties like Mayo, Kerry and Cork have massive competitive advantages over the Ulster and Leinster counties so to pick out Dublin's advantages is nonsense.

This is just whataboutery, Tyrone is bigger than Fermanagh so it is OK for Dublin to be bigger than Tyrone. 

[Brick Tamlin]

Ah ffs howl yer tongue would ye.
They aren't the harlem globetrotters. They have weaknesses like any other team.
What decent teams have Dublin played so far in championship.
We are at the business end now with the 4 best teams in the country left and the other 3 aren't gonna just hand Sam to the dubs on a plate.
Donegal (as hateful as they are) will give the dubs their fill of it.

[Zulu]

Ahh Zulu there you've made it easy for me now
So Croke park isn't your home patch again.
What county is it in?
Where will 70% of the fans be from v Donegal?
Man ye might have made some impression on me with some arguments but jaysus if you can't even admit the Croke park advantage then I won't take you as a "serious balanced poster"
What age are you?
Is this you?

A serious balanced poster wouldn't be moaning about Dublin's advantages when they never complained about their own county's advantages before. The Aviva is in Dublin, is that Dublin's home ground too? What point are you trying to make, that we should be playing All Ireland semi finals in Ballybofey? Croke Park is the national stadium and all the major fixtures are played there and nobody ever complained about that before. I would love to see Dublin play some Leinster championship games in other grounds but there is a good reason what that doesn't happen too often and that reason helps your club and mine. Outside Leinster championship games it is nonsense to suggest the Dubs should play anywhere else but Croke Park and I doubt you'd find many players or managers who would want to play them elsewhere.

Dublin have advantages of course but stop moaning about them when you enjoy many advantages over two thirds of the counties in Ireland and never complained about that before.

[Jell 0 Biafra]

If Dublin were to win an all-Ireland by beating every team by 15 points or whatever, I certainly wouldn't mind.  But if you think they're going to beat two of the best four teams in the country by those scores, I'd have to disagree.

Not so long ago we were beating Wexford by a bigger margin, only to have our arses handed to us by teams from the top 4.

[Syferus]

Ah ffs howl yer tongue would ye.
They aren't the harlem globetrotters. They have weaknesses like any other team.
What decent teams have Dublin played so far in championship.
We are at the business end now with the 4 best teams in the country left and the other 3 aren't gonna just hand Sam to the dubs on a plate.
Donegal (as hateful as they are) will give the dubs their fill of it.

Yeah, at least they give the Washington Generals money when they hammer them.

[Zulu]

They are not playing at home, Croke Park is where All Ireland semi finals and finals are played. They are the only county that regularly bring a crowd big enough to open all of the hill. Look Tyrone have advantages over Fermanagh, unfair built in advantages, the daft provincial system means counties like Mayo, Kerry and Cork have massive competitive advantages over the Ulster and Leinster counties so to pick out Dublin's advantages is nonsense.

This is just whataboutery, Tyrone is bigger than Fermanagh so it is OK for Dublin to be bigger than Tyrone.

Eh? People are complaining about Dublin's advantages when the likes of Tyrone have those same advantages compared to the likes of Fermanagh. You can't complain about one county having advantages when you never complained about the relative advantages of your own county. The GAA is inherently unfair and always has been, Dublin are now simply using their advantages when they didn't before. They are doing what they are meant to be doing and getting criticised for it. You couldn't make this nonsense up.

[Syferus]

They are not playing at home, Croke Park is where All Ireland semi finals and finals are played. They are the only county that regularly bring a crowd big enough to open all of the hill. Look Tyrone have advantages over Fermanagh, unfair built in advantages, the daft provincial system means counties like Mayo, Kerry and Cork have massive competitive advantages over the Ulster and Leinster counties so to pick out Dublin's advantages is nonsense.

This is just whataboutery, Tyrone is bigger than Fermanagh so it is OK for Dublin to be bigger than Tyrone.

Eh? People are complaining about Dublin's advantages when the likes of Tyrone have those same advantages compared to the likes of Fermanagh. You can't complain about one county having advantages when you never complained about the relative advantages of your own county. The GAA is inherently unfair and always has been, Dublin are now simply using their advantages when they didn't before. They are doing what they are meant to be doing and getting criticised for it. You couldn't make this nonsense up.

What's you're angle going to be when a Leitrim poster comes along and says the same thing? Seems like you're the one setting yourself up for a logical fall here - two imbalances existing doesn't make one of them any less pronounced.

[Donnellys Hollow]

But a number of Dubs were mentioned above and none went only Kilkenny and that was before those trails, what was the story there?. Kildare lost Daniel Flynn, Paul Cribbin before that, and Paddy Brophy more then likely will be gone at the end of the year too.  Sean Hurley had trials so he could be gone too

Those Australians know good footballers when they see them.

[Fuzzman]

In fairness to Heffo and a few sensible Dub fans they can admit that the croker thing is of course a massive advantage.

I asked a very simple Q and nobody has answered it yet?
Would Dublin be as confident of beating Donegal in Ballybofey or having the AI final in Killarney
Of course not so then that shows that Croker is a BIG factor that you are NOT willing to admit.
Some are however. I am not asking it to be changed as of course it's the biggest stadium in Ireland but don't pretend it's not a HUGE factor

[SouthDublinBro]

In fairness to Heffo and a few sensible Dub fans they can admit that the croker thing is of course a massive advantage.

I asked a very simple Q and nobody has answered it yet?
Would Dublin be as confident of beating Donegal in Ballybofey or having the AI final in Killarney
Of course not so then that shows that Croker is a BIG factor that you are NOT willing to admit.
Some are however. I am not asking it to be changed as of course it's the biggest stadium in Ireland but don't pretend it's not a HUGE factor

Why isn't the same being said of Monaghan's huge advantage in Ulster of getting to play in Clones all the time?

[armaghniac]

Why isn't the same being said of Monaghan's huge advantage in Ulster of getting to play in Clones all the time?

over the years Monaghan didn't have that advantage much, as they played in few Ulster finals and Ulster semi finals were not invariably played in Clones.
In any case Monaghan's advantage will be gone in 3 years. How about Dublin's.

[Zulu]

They are not playing at home, Croke Park is where All Ireland semi finals and finals are played. They are the only county that regularly bring a crowd big enough to open all of the hill. Look Tyrone have advantages over Fermanagh, unfair built in advantages, the daft provincial system means counties like Mayo, Kerry and Cork have massive competitive advantages over the Ulster and Leinster counties so to pick out Dublin's advantages is nonsense.

This is just whataboutery, Tyrone is bigger than Fermanagh so it is OK for Dublin to be bigger than Tyrone.

Eh? People are complaining about Dublin's advantages when the likes of Tyrone have those same advantages compared to the likes of Fermanagh. You can't complain about one county having advantages when you never complained about the relative advantages of your own county. The GAA is inherently unfair and always has been, Dublin are now simply using their advantages when they didn't before. They are doing what they are meant to be doing and getting criticised for it. You couldn't make this nonsense up.

What's you're angle going to be when a Leitrim poster comes along and says the same thing? Seems like you're the one setting yourself up for a logical fall here - two imbalances existing doesn't make one of them any less pronounced.

If a Leitrim man says what, that Dublin have advantages? The point I'm making is that the GAA system is inherently unfair but it's only now I'm hearing people complain about it, why is that? All Dublin are doing is what every county should be doing so why are people complaining?

In fairness to Heffo and a few sensible Dub fans they can admit that the croker thing is of course a massive advantage.

I asked a very simple Q and nobody has answered it yet?

I answered your questions and posed you with a few in return, all of which you ignored.

Would Dublin be as confident of beating Donegal in Ballybofey or having the AI final in Killarney

I don't know but since All Ireland finals should be played in Croke Park it's a bit of an irrelevant question.

Of course not so then that shows that Croker is a BIG factor that you are NOT willing to admit.
Some are however. I am not asking it to be changed as of course it's the biggest stadium in Ireland but don't pretend it's not a HUGE factor

It's gone from being a big advantage to a huge advantage in the space of a few words and both is hyperbolic nonsense. If the All Ireland was played in Thurles this year I would imagine Dublin would still be favourites to win it should they get there. An advantage, maybe, a HUGE advantage, nonsense.

[SouthDublinBro]

It's not Dublin's fault that Monaghan haven't been good enough to utilise that advantage to the fullest. Same with Mayo constantly failing to convert their guaranteed bye to the Quarter Final every year lately into AI titles.

More to the point, Dublin are winning because they have the most talented players in Ireland, not because they have less distance to travel to the matches or whatever other perceived advantage you feel that playing in Croke Park gives them. Only a fool would suggest otherwise.

[Fuzzman]

Firstly they didn't always have their first round games at home? Some times they did sometimes they didn't.
Ulster championship is the hardest to win as many true gaels will tell you
How many Ulster have Dublin won?
Yes that's right. NONE!!!!!! 

If you look at Monaghan's current record at home then ...
Thanks for bringing up the Monaghan argument.

Amazed how many of ye still won't even admit defeat on the Croker home advantage issue. Sure there's no point in looking deeper at the facts.

LOL SouthDubBro. So it's a distance thing? The further you travel the more you'll lose by? ahhh I see.

Zulu, do YOU think Dublin would beat Kerry down in Killarney next month?

[Zulu]

Absolutely, but we are only speculating when discussing it so I don't see why we should get hung up on something neither of us can prove. You haven't addressed Tyrone's advantages compared to Fermanagh who are much smaller or Cork who have to deal with hurling? Should we take money off you or force you to play hurling in at least half the county?

Dublin have advantages but it's pointless complaining about them and this board has turned into a bit of an anti-Dublin moaners central board when we should be talking about football now that we're at the business end.