32 shot dead on US college campus at Virginia Tech

[The Real Laoislad]

what happened in virginia was tragic
but at least the yanks have the right idea of having arms to defend with and keep occupiers out
no decommissioning there

Yeah TUG f**k off,You'd keep Supermacs supplied with chips for the year the amount you have on your shoulder

[heganboy]

well said ziggy

[Kerry Mike]

The sad thing about this is that there is probably some other twisted piece of shit out there now planning an even bigger total than Columbine and Viginia, there always seems to be copy-cat attacks, all to get their fleeting moment of infamy.

I have a young nephew in playschool in NY and its a worry for anyone faced rearing a child or a teenager in the US.

And we should not be fooled into a sense of security these things could happen here too with the level of gun crime rising all the time.

With the level of violence on TV and games nowadays, and the general thugish attitude of many teens, this kind of trouble is not far away from our shores.

[stew]

You are right Mike, there are always elements out there trying to outdo the biggest disasters just to gain notoriety.

I have two teenage daughters over here and it is far more scary watching them grow up here than it ever was in the north and only for the fact that they are in high school now we would probably pull the plug.

The problem here is the gun culture is so ingrained that even if the government mandated that all guns be handed in there are so many people who would rebel against that it would be rendered an impotent law because there would not be enough jail space to house the millions of dissenters and the killers and gangsters would never hand them in anyway.

Kids are fast losing their social skills in my opinion, they would rather send emails and text messages than interact with their peers and friends and this hurts them and society I the long term as they dont have the skills to interact with people that preceeding generations had.

[pintsofguinness]

Watching the Beeb they reported a gun lobby representative as saying 'if all the students had guns this wouldn't have happened'.

I don't understand why someone didn't overpower him and take the gun off him.

sure if only all the papes in the 6 had your balls when the UFF came a calling, we would have our land back by now.... 

idiot

  What are you talking about?  I'm nearly sure no uff man has my land but I'll have a look around the garden now in a few minutes. 

I heard 1 of the victims was a Holocaust survivor who blocked the door so his students could get out another exit. Poor bastard!

I read that in the paper today, a hero.

feel so sorry for the girl's family with her picture all over the place just for breaking it off with a psycho.

Read today too that her friends are saying she didn't even know him, she was seeing someone else and he was a right odd ball.

[heganboy]

I have two teenage daughters over here and it is far more scary watching them grow up here than it ever was in the north and only for the fact that they are in high school now we would probably pull the plug.

Stew where abouts are you? I'm leaving here before the kids get in school...

[ONeill]

Jaysus the narrative to this has fairly deepened tonight. Video tapes posted between shootings now.

[heganboy]

There is a huge effort underway by the gun lobby in the US to make this into an argument against gun control. The argument goes that because virginia tech is an anolmaly in the state (i.e. Students can bring guns to school but must leave them with security) that if other students had guns they could have shot him before he killed more people. In virginia there is no wait period on procuring a gun, from hunting rifle to semi automatic assault rifles...

[stephenite]

Crazy crazy stuff

From smh.com.au

US television network NBC says it was sent video, photos, and a rambling and disturbing multi-page statement from Virginia Tech mass murderer Cho Seung-Hui after he killed his first two victims.

NBC broadcast a still photo of the shooter, facing a camera, wearing black fingerless gloves and aiming two handguns slightly outward.

The 23-year-old English major student is staring at the camera with a fierce expression, wearing a backwards black baseball cap and the same black and tan hunting gear described by students who survived the shooting.

"You had a hundred billion chances and ways to avoid today," Cho said in an excerpt shown on NBC Nightly News.

He added: "The decision was yours. Now you have blood on your hands that will never wash off."

Earlier, the MSNBC website reported: "Sometime after he killed two people in a dormitory, but before he slaughtered 30 more in a classroom building Monday morning, Cho Seung-Hui sent NBC News a rambling communication and videos about his grievances."

"Network officials turned the material over to the FBI and said they would not immediately disclose its contents pending the agency's review beyond characterising the material as "disturbing".

NBC has since said it will show parts of Cho's video on its Nightly News program.

Brian Williams, anchor and managing editor of NBC's The Daily Nightly described Cho's package of material as a "multimedia manifesto".

"NBC News has indeed received what I would call a multimedia manifesto from the gunman," he said in a posting on The Daily Nightly blog.

"We received it today [Thursday, AEST], and immediately handed it over to Federal law enforcement authorities.

"We are still going over our own copy - it's a lot of material - we are talking with law enforcement, our own standards people - and Pete Williams, our Justice Correspondent, will join me live on the broadcast to go through the material."

The MSNBC website said a more detailed statement would be released by NBC shortly.

At a press conference, Col. Steve Flaherty, superintendent of Virginia State Police, said: "This may be a very new, critical component of this investigation."

He thanked NBC for immediately handing over Cho's package to police

He said the original documents in the package had been given to the FBI, which was currently analysing and evaluating their worth

[An Fear Rua]

BLACKSBURG, Va. —  Mass murderer Cho Seung-Hui coldly reached out from the grave Wednesday night in a rambling video rant broadcast by NBC News in which the Virginia Tech gunman blames everyone — including Jesus — for "forcing" him to carry out the bloody slaughter that left 32 students and faculty dead.

Cho apparently took time out Monday morning — possibly after killing two students in a campus dorm room — so he could pose for self portraits and put together a multi-media manifesto that he then took to the post office and mailed to NBC News in New York City.

The package contained an assortment of video, photo and written documents put together by Cho, the FBI said. In addition to the video, NBC News said the package contained 29 photos he apparently took of himself, 11 of which show him posing with handguns. There also was an 1,800-word written document.

In the video broadcast Wednesday night, the mad gunman calmly, but in a voice filled with anger, said, "When the time came I did it, I had to."

"You forced me into a corner and gave me only one option," he said. "The decision was yours."

And, in a closeup shot, Cho utters the chilling words: "Jesus loves crucifying me."

"I could have fled, I will no longer run," Cho said.

(Story continues below) - it wouldnt be the yanks without an ad break, thats far too long to concentrate


And then, in a possible indication that he made the recording after the dorm killings and two hours before the murders of 30 others in a campus classroom building, this confession:

"The time came and I did it... I had to do what I did..."

One of the still photos in the package shows Cho angrily posing in a black shirt, tan ammo vest and a black baseball cap turned backward -- with an automatic gun in each outstretched black-gloved hand.

FBI sources told FOX News that a preliminary examination of the package shows the documents contain wording that is very similar to the notes that were reported to have been found in Cho's dorm room.

FBI officials said they were concerned that NBC was not the only news organization to receive a package from Cho, but they had no evidence at the time that he sent anything to anyone else.

State police, meanwhile, revealed that in December 2005, Cho was declared "mentally ill and in need of hospitalization" and posed "an imminent danger," according to a temporary detention order issued by a Virginia district court.

In November and December 2005, two women complained to campus police that they had received calls and computer messages from Cho, but they considered the messages "annoying," not threatening, and neither pressed charges, Virginia Tech Police Chief Wendell Flinchum said.

Neither woman was among the victims in the massacre, police said.

Around the same time, one of Cho's professors informally shared some concerns about the young man's writings, but no official report was filed, Flinchum said.

The chief said he was not aware of any other contact between Cho and police after those episodes.

Court documents show that on Dec. 13, 2005, a Montgomery County District Court judge ordered Cho undergo mental evaluation at Carilion St. Albans Hospital.

The judge issued an order temporary detention order on the grounds that Cho was "mentally ill and in need of hospitalization, and presents an imminent danger to self or others as mental illness, or is seriously mentally ill as to be substantially unable to care for self, and is incapable of volunteering or unwilling to volunteer for treatment."

The order, obtained by FOX News, also includes findings from a Dec. 14 physician's examination that, briefly, shows a patient who is "flat and mood is depressed. He denies suicidal intentions. He does not acknowledge symptoms of a thought disorder. His insight and judgment and are normal."

A box on the order is checked as follows: "Presents an imminent danger to himself as a result of mental illness." The very next box, which is not checked, reads: "Presents an imminent danger to others as a result of mental illness."

The next day, according to court records, a special justice approved outpatient treatment for Cho.

Court papers indicate Cho was free to leave as of Dec. 14. Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker said Cho had been continually enrolled at Tech and never took a leave of absence.

A spokesman for Carilion St. Albans would not comment Wednesday.

After the first stalking incident, police referred Cho to the university's disciplinary system, Flinchum said.

But Ed Spencer, assistant vice president of student affairs, would not comment on any disciplinary proceedings, saying federal law protects students' medical privacy even after death. In any case, Cho remained enrolled up until his death.

The disclosures about Cho's past run-ins with authorities added to the rapidly growing list of warning signs that appeared well before 23-year-old student Cho went on his rampage. Among other things, Cho's twisted, violence-filled writings and sullen, vacant-eyed demeanor had disturbed professors and students so much that he was removed from one English class and was repeatedly urged to get counseling.

Campus police on Wednesday applied for search warrants for Cho's medical records from the campus health center and an off-campus facility. "It is reasonable to believe that the medical records may provide evidence of motive, intent and designs," investigators said in court papers.

Police searched Cho's dorm room and recovered, among other items, two computers, books, notebooks, a digital camera, and a chain and combination lock, according to documents. The front doors of Norris Hall, the classroom building where most of the victims died, had been chained shut from the inside during the rampage.

Fourteen people remained hospitalized Wednesday.

Cho's roommates and professors portrayed him as a creepy, solitary figure who rarely even made eye contact with his roommates, much less speak to them. They said they were never told he was suicidal.

His bizarre behavior became even less predictable in recent weeks, roommate Karan Grewal said. Grewal had pulled an all-nighter on homework the day of the shootings and saw Cho at around 5 a.m., although Cho didn't look him in the eye.

"Nothing seemed out of the ordinary, it seemed he had just woken up," Grewal told FOX News.

Grewal said Cho was "totally alone" every day, and never spoke to family or friends on the phone or via the Internet. He did spend a lot of time on the computer writing, however, Grewal said. But he would never talk to his roommates.

"He never showed anger on his face. Whenever I tried to talk to him, he would just sit there and ignore me, as if I was invisible," Grewal said. "He just sat there staring through space most of the time ... he showed no emotion ever."

Grewal said he and his other suitemates didn't even know Cho's major, or that he had a sister. They thought he was a business major and was surprised to find out after the shooting he was studying English, since they assumed his English wasn't very good, and that was why he never spoke.

Grewal said he would have made more of an effort to get to know Cho had he known of his social and mental problems.

"I tried to be friends with him but after multiple attempts and he showed no interest, I thought he just wanted to be lonely," Grewal said. "If I was told before he was depressed or suicidal, I definitely would have kept an eye open ... I definitely would have tried harder to be his friend or know a little bit better."

Authorities said he left a rambling note raging against women, religion and rich kids. News reports said that Cho, a South Korean immigrant who came to the U.S. as a boy and whose parents worked at a dry cleaners, may have been taking medication for depression.

Professors and classmates were alarmed by his class writings — pages filled with twisted, violence-drenched writing.

"It was not bad poetry. It was intimidating," poet Nikki Giovanni, one of his professors, told CNN.

"I know we're talking about a youngster, but troubled youngsters get drunk and jump off buildings," she said. "There was something mean about this boy. It was the meanness — I've taught troubled youngsters and crazy people — it was the meanness that bothered me. It was a really mean streak."

Giovanni said her students were so unnerved by Cho's behavior, including taking pictures of them with his cell phone, that some stopped coming to class and she had security check on her room. She eventually had him taken out of her class, after threatening to quit if he wasn't removed.

Lucinda Roy, a co-director of creative writing at Virginia Tech, said she tutored Cho after that. She said she tried to get him into counseling in late 2005 but he always refused.

"He was so distant and so lonely," she told ABC's "Good Morning America" Wednesday. "It was almost like talking to a hole, as though he wasn't there most of the time. He wore sunglasses and his hat very low so it was hard to see his face."

Roy also said she arranged to use a code word with her assistant to call police if she ever felt threatened by Cho, but she said she never used it.

[J70]

Just saw the video.

Holy f**k!

[Uladh]

Nuts or what

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1pj9i3hgRg

[lurganblue]

Nuts or what

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1pj9i3hgRg

its been took away on youtube.
any other sites it can be accessed on?

[Gabriel_Hurl]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1r6o7_virginia-tech-april-16-2007-cho-seu

[The Real Laoislad]

serious shit