Long Kesh Park takes another step forward

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You've already posted a link to one BBC report, on a DCAL committee meetin (was that just in my brain)

No that was Poot's quote in your brain,

the minutes containing the GAA veto?  are a figment of your imagination

If choosing the Maze is by your definition a veto then all 3 sporting bodies exercised a veto by ypur definition.

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Sammy just reads headlines, well just about.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/6912363.stm

without realizing that the source is Poots.

What headlines? The report says that the GAA vetoed Belfast, which is confirmed in the DCAL minutes and in the GAA statement.

NOPE -

the report plainly says that Poots has claimed that the GAA vetoed Belfast.
The GAA subsequently refuted that claim.
I previously highlighted the fact that neither the BBC/Belfast telegrph/Newsletter chose to carry the GAA's rebuttal.

[SammyG]

Sammy just reads headlines, well just about.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/6912363.stm

without realizing that the source is Poots.

What headlines? The report says that the GAA vetoed Belfast, which is confirmed in the DCAL minutes and in the GAA statement.

NOPE -

the report plainly says that Poots has claimed that the GAA vetoed Belfast.
The GAA subsequently refuted that claim.
I previously highlighted the fact that neither the BBC/Belfast telegrph/Newsletter chose to carry the GAA's rebuttal.

I'd guess they didn't carry the rebuttal because it wasn't a rebuttal, it was a re-statement of the GAA's position and confirmation that they had vetoed any Belfast site. Especially given that both the BBC and Telegraph are 100% pro-Maze at all costs.

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Sammy just reads headlines, well just about.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/6912363.stm

without realizing that the source is Poots.

What headlines? The report says that the GAA vetoed Belfast, which is confirmed in the DCAL minutes and in the GAA statement.

NOPE -

the report plainly says that Poots has claimed that the GAA vetoed Belfast.
The GAA subsequently refuted that claim.
I previously highlighted the fact that neither the BBC/Belfast telegrph/Newsletter chose to carry the GAA's rebuttal.

I'd guess they didn't carry the rebuttal because it wasn't a rebuttal, it was a re-statement of the GAA's position and confirmation that they had vetoed any Belfast site. Especially given that both the BBC and Telegraph are 100% pro-Maze at all costs.

OK, back to Kylie and Mylene then.
If I choose Kylie, am I vetoing Mylene? or merely making my preference?

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The IFA, GAA and UR were all of the same opinion on the Maze, ALL rejected whatever else was on offer, all have stated this publically
A statement of unity.

Howard Wells. 'Ni fans are delusional, when will those stubborn fans get the message that we don't have the money, that the Maze is the best location on offer and we want the stadium built there asap with the taxpayers money'.

[SammyG]

The IFA, GAA and UR were all of the same opinion on the Maze, ALL rejected whatever else was on offer, all have stated this publically
A statement of unity.

Howard Wells. 'Ni fans are delusional, when will those stubborn fans get the message that we don't have the money, that the Maze is the best location on offer and we want the stadium built there asap with the taxpayers money'.

You're missing two, fairly important, points

1) Hard Wells works for DCAL not the IFA
2) The Maze is being rejected because it doesn't add up, not because the sports have backed out.

[SammyG]

Sammy just reads headlines, well just about.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/6912363.stm

without realizing that the source is Poots.

What headlines? The report says that the GAA vetoed Belfast, which is confirmed in the DCAL minutes and in the GAA statement.

NOPE -

the report plainly says that Poots has claimed that the GAA vetoed Belfast.
The GAA subsequently refuted that claim.
I previously highlighted the fact that neither the BBC/Belfast telegrph/Newsletter chose to carry the GAA's rebuttal.

I'd guess they didn't carry the rebuttal because it wasn't a rebuttal, it was a re-statement of the GAA's position and confirmation that they had vetoed any Belfast site. Especially given that both the BBC and Telegraph are 100% pro-Maze at all costs.

OK, back to Kylie and Mylene then.
If I choose Kylie, am I vetoing Mylene? or merely making my preference?

And I reaeat my question, now that Kylie's dead will you be happy to move on to Mylene? If not then it's fairly clear that you didn't make a choice for Kylie, you vetoed Mylene.

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Sammy just reads headlines, well just about.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/6912363.stm

without realizing that the source is Poots.

What headlines? The report says that the GAA vetoed Belfast, which is confirmed in the DCAL minutes and in the GAA statement.

NOPE -

the report plainly says that Poots has claimed that the GAA vetoed Belfast.
The GAA subsequently refuted that claim.
I previously highlighted the fact that neither the BBC/Belfast telegrph/Newsletter chose to carry the GAA's rebuttal.

I'd guess they didn't carry the rebuttal because it wasn't a rebuttal, it was a re-statement of the GAA's position and confirmation that they had vetoed any Belfast site. Especially given that both the BBC and Telegraph are 100% pro-Maze at all costs.

OK, back to Kylie and Mylene then.
If I choose Kylie, am I vetoing Mylene? or merely making my preference?

And I reaeat my question, now that Kylie's dead will you be happy to move on to Mylene? If not then it's fairly clear that you didn't make a choice for Kylie, you vetoed Mylene.

You see that's where you're hopelessly wrong.
I'd never veto Mylene.
But I would always prefer Kylie.

There you go, a preference, but no veto.

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Once more, just for the record, here's the GAA statements.
You never know osmosis might mean that the facts slowly filter through the OWC thought block:

"He insisted that the Ulster Council had simply expressed its preference for the Maze  site without ever taking a negative position on a city-based stadium."

"We chose the Maze/Long Kesh site because we believe it represented the best location.
We did not take a decision against a Belfast site. We took a pro-active view on behalf of the Council's need for a stadium and its location.'

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You're missing two, fairly important, points

1) Hard Wells works for DCAL not the IFA

As the CEO of the IFA he is mandated  to act in the interests of the IFA by the IFA executive. If they are not happy with his performance then they can mandate him to act accordingly or terminate his contract.
Maybe you should check out the minutes of the IFA meetings.

2) The Maze is being rejected because it doesn't add up, not because the sports have backed out

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That sentence is nonsensical, why am I not surprised that you claim such a nonsense statement as important.

All the sporting bodies have chosen the Maze and rejected Belfast.
By your nonsensical definition of a veto that means all sporting bodies have exercised a veto over the Belfast location.

[SammyG]

You're missing two, fairly important, points

1) Hard Wells works for DCAL not the IFA

As the CEO of the IFA he is mandated  to act in the interests of the IFA by the IFA executive. If they are not happy with his performance then they can mandate him to act accordingly or terminate his contract.
Maybe you should check out the minutes of the IFA meetings.

2) The Maze is being rejected because it doesn't add up, not because the sports have backed out

.

That sentence is nonsensical, why am I not surprised that you claim such a nonsense statement as important.

All the sporting bodies have chosen the Maze and rejected Belfast.
By your nonsensical definition of a veto that means all sporting bodies have exercised a veto over the Belfast location.

Sorry Rugby said they would use the Maze but would look at any Belfast proposals, the IFA said the same, GAA said that they were not prepared to use any Belfast sites and as it was all 3 or none, they exercised their veto. It really isn't that difficult to understand.

I repeat again, if the GAA are not vetoing Belfast, will they copme on-board now that the Maze is dead?

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You're missing two, fairly important, points

1) Hard Wells works for DCAL not the IFA

As the CEO of the IFA he is mandated  to act in the interests of the IFA by the IFA executive. If they are not happy with his performance then they can mandate him to act accordingly or terminate his contract.
Maybe you should check out the minutes of the IFA meetings.

2) The Maze is being rejected because it doesn't add up, not because the sports have backed out

.

That sentence is nonsensical, why am I not surprised that you claim such a nonsense statement as important.

All the sporting bodies have chosen the Maze and rejected Belfast.
By your nonsensical definition of a veto that means all sporting bodies have exercised a veto over the Belfast location.

Sorry Rugby said they would use the Maze but would look at any Belfast proposals, the IFA said the same, GAA said that they were not prepared to use any Belfast sites and as it was all 3 or none, they exercised their veto. It really isn't that difficult to understand.

I repeat again, if the GAA are not vetoing Belfast, will they copme on-board now that the Maze is dead?

GAA said that they were not prepared to use any Belfast sites and as it was all 3 or none, they exercised their veto

Total bollocks.
Prove otherwise.
Show the us one statement from the GAA where they ever said such a thing.

I've already shown their statement where they said the complete opposite.
You can't handle the truth, or don't understand it.

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Once more, just for the record, here's the GAA statements.
You never know osmosis might mean that the facts slowly filter through the OWC thought block:

"He insisted that the Ulster Council had simply expressed its preference for the Maze  site without ever taking a negative position on a city-based stadium."

"We chose the Maze/Long Kesh site because we believe it represented the best location.
We did not take a decision against a Belfast site. We took a pro-active view on behalf of the Council's need for a stadium and its location.'

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[SammyG]

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For the 3rd time, if DCAL are lying and the GAA didn't veto Belfast, does that mean that now the Maze is dead, they will come on-board with a Belfast stadium (if a workable one can be found)?

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For the 3rd time, if DCAL are lying and the GAA didn't veto Belfast, does that mean that now the Maze is dead, they will come on-board with a Belfast stadium (if a workable one can be found)?

Good to see you're now considering that the GAA didn't actually veto the Maze, nad that they merely preferred it.
Maybe the truth has actually made it out there to OWC land and is starting to filter through.

Moving on, the Maze only dies if the DUP scupper it.
If that happens, imo, all bets are off as to what happens.

For starters, the UK Govt has
1. always tied funding to the political symbolism of the Maze
2. always insisted that any publicly funded stadium must include the GAA.

The GAA will insist on coming onboard any publicly funded stadium project - with a projected footfall of 150k pa versus 80pa for soccer and 40k for rugby, they would have every right to.

For the main course, Five years later, not one site has emerged in Belfast that is
a. available
b. cheap enough
c. has no planning issues
d. in an acceptable location to both communities

displaying comic genius, EG claims that this is because Belfast proponents weren't looking hard enough.
I'd say its more likely that no such site exists.

I'd also say that its almost certain that, fed up with us ungrateful scroungers, the UK Govt will pull the previously ring-fenced funding, and divert it back to the treasury, never to be seen again.

[SammyG]

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For the 3rd time, if DCAL are lying and the GAA didn't veto Belfast, does that mean that now the Maze is dead, they will come on-board with a Belfast stadium (if a workable one can be found)?

Good to see you're now considering that the GAA didn't actually veto the Maze, nad that they merely preferred it.
Maybe the truth has actually made it out there to OWC land and is starting to filter through.

Not considering anything, I was asking a hypothetiical question. which your complete failure to even attempt to answer, is an answer in itself.

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Sorry Rugby said they would use the Maze but would look at any Belfast proposals, the IFA said the same, GAA said that they were not prepared to use any Belfast sites and as it was all 3 or none, they exercised their veto. It really isn't that difficult to understand.

I repeat again, if the GAA are not vetoing Belfast, will they copme on-board now that the Maze is dead?

You forgot to spoof about the mythical mystery dcal minutes

The Maze stadium was always and is now the only show in town.

ULSTER RUGBY
30 January 2006
IRFU backs Maze stadium proposal
NIO Sports Minister David Hanson has welcomed the decision of the Irish Rugby Football Union and the Ulster Branch to commit in principle to the multi-sports stadium at the Maze site close to Lisburn City.

22/06/2007
Ulster Rugby CEO Michael Reid today made the following statement regarding recent press coverage regarding the MAZE stadium proposals.
"In light of certain media articles in the last 24 hours I would like to reiterate the position of Ulster Rugby as stated at the NI Assembly DCAL meeting held on Thursday afternoon at Stormont.
I would like to clarify the following points:
Ulster Rugby remain committed in principal to a stadium at the Maze / Long Kesh site."
"At no time has a business proposal or governance solution been made available in relation to a Belfast Stadium nor have Belfast City Council ever met with a representative from Ulster
Rugby."

5/02/08
UR have "signed up" to what appears to be a minimum commitment of probably three matches per year at a proposed Maze Stadium. That's it exactly. The only actual option on the table at the moment is the Maze. There has been talk for a long, long time of Belfast City Council putting forward another option, but for now, the Maze is the only option there.
We are committed to the Maze, because it is the only thing that's there.

IFA
20/01/2006
NI football authorities have voted in principle to support a new multi-sports stadium on the former Maze prison site.
IFA Chief Executive Howard Wells said the decision was in the best interests of football in the province
Voting for the proposal, the soccer body said that they were prepared to "progress the matter with Government" on the basis that two other sports also found the stadium proposal attractive.

REJECTIONISTS
MARCH 14 2008
However, some members of the DUP oppose the Maze site because they argue Belfast would be a much better location.
Other unionists have raised concerns that the Maze master plan also includes plans for the preservation of some of the old H-Block prison buildings as part of a conflict transformation centre.
Some DUP members, including Economy Minister Nigel Dodds, have voiced concerns that the retention of the prison buildings could be used as a shrine to terrorism.