Long Kesh Park takes another step forward

[Donagh]

f**k me it's worse than I thought!!!

Then again if they head hunt some bar managers from Croker they'll have it all paid back in no time at all.

Opps forgot , the OWC soccer supporters aren't mature enough to be trusted with a drink, just in case...

[ardmhachaabu]

You are criticising others for being bigoted when you are, well, being bigoted.

Abu, a bigot is normally defined as one who sticks to their views after they have been proven to be false. Would you care to have a go in backing up your allegation?

From Merriam Webster dictionary
bigot 
   
Main Entry: big·ot 
Pronunciation: \ˈbi-gət\
Function: noun
Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot
Date: 1660
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

I would like to know where your definition of the word comes from.

From the definition I posted, you are showing bigoted attitudes while criticising others for precisely the same thing in the post I originally quoted of yours.

[Donagh]

Alas I didn't look it up Abu, but I don't think even your definition would have me in the bigot category i.e. unless you would place unionism in a racial or ethnic group?

[ardmhachaabu]

Alas I didn't look it up Abu, but I don't think even your definition would have me in the bigot category i.e. unless you would place unionism in a racial or ethnic group?

You know what?

I can't be arsed debating with an SF lackey.

[Donagh]

Alas I didn't look it up Abu, but I don't think even your definition would have me in the bigot category i.e. unless you would place unionism in a racial or ethnic group?

You know what?

I can't be arsed debating with an SF lackey.

Ohhh... either that are you just don't have the balls to back up what you are posting. Good job I'm no tout either - whats the mod dishing out for personal abuse these days?

[ardmhachaabu]

You are a bigot because of what you posted. What is so hard to understand about that?

[Donagh]

You are a bigot because of what you posted. What is so hard to understand about that?

I didn't say there was anything hard to understand about it, I simply asked you to put forward a reasoned argument in support of your allegation. Now if you are not prepared to be challenged maybe you should stay away from discussion forums in future.

[SammyG]

I would imagine if there was no conflict centre the maze project would be well under way by now.

I would say 50% of the norn iron fans who are against the stadium would be for this reason.

Given that I don't know one fan, who is against the Maze, for that reason, could you tell us what your 50% is based on?

Well from reading the comments from the utv poll for one.

Firstly I've only seen 3 or 4 comments about the shrine (out of nearly 200 when I last llooked) so that's no where near 50% and secondly how do you know those comments came from NI football supporters.

Are you trying to tell me that the CRC has no bearing on the favourable location of the new stadium of norn iron fans?

None that I know of. When the Maze was first suggested I backed it enthusiastically (even with the terror shrine). It was only when the logistics were looked into and it was shown to be an unworkable white elephant, that I changed my mind.

[stiffler]

The Maze would quickly become known as the site of the terrorist museum not as a centre for sporting excellence......


The Maze is the obvious venue, both for cheapness and easy access from BOTH Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland . BUT! NO terrorist museums for Republicans OR Loyalists! No thanks! - If there is any talk about terrorist museums under any guise at all, then the venue either doesn`t go ahead or goes elsewhere.

Why spend 240 million pounds on the Maze Terror Dome and making it a shrine to IRA when you could spend 40 Million Pounds redeveloping Windsor Park and spend the other 200 Million Pounds on the Health service.


I believe that the stadium should NOT be at the Maze. As soon as the idea for "Conflict Transfomation Centre" was mentioned to be built there aswell any chance of it being an acceptable site for all evaporated.I for one will never acept the Maze as the plate for it and I hope that ALL the Unionist parties will oppose it being there.


I have always been against the stadium being built at the Maze and I always will be. If it was built there Republicans WOULD use it to push for this great "Conflict Centre" and it would be mixing politics with sport.


I live quite close to the Maze site and still believe the stadium should be located in Belfast. The Maze site is purely about the memory of IRA hungerstrikers and the memorial Republicans want. It is not about sport, if it was the so called conflict resolution centre would be scrapped.



Right sammy above is 6 comments from the utv poll on the maze regarding the CRC as the main cause of concern. I have taken this from the first 8 pages that i looked through of the 20 odd pages. Im not gonna look through them all but i would say their would be at least doubled.

You said earlier than not one norn iron fan rejects the maze proposals because of the CRC, i doubt this very much so.

[SammyG]

Right sammy above is 6 comments from the utv poll on the maze regarding the CRC as the main cause of concern. I have taken this from the first 8 pages that i looked through of the 20 odd pages. Im not gonna look through them all but i would say their would be at least doubled.

Right so that's 6 comments (only one of which even mentions NI football) and none of which mention being NI supporters. Lets assume this is doubled and that all of those comments are from NI supporters (as you suggest) that gives us 12 comments out of 217 or just over 5%. You were quoting a 50% + figure earlier.

You said earlier than not one norn iron fan rejects the maze proposals because of the CRC, i doubt this very much so.

Could you show me the post where I said that?

[stiffler]

You said earlier than not one norn iron fan rejects the maze proposals because of the CRC, i doubt this very much so.

Could you show me the post where I said that?[/quote]

I would imagine if there was no conflict centre the maze project would be well under way by now.

I would say 50% of the norn iron fans who are against the stadium would be for this reason.

Given that I don't know one fan, who is against the Maze, for that reason, could you tell us what your 50% is based on?

Are you trying to tell me that the CRC has no bearing on the favourable location of the new stadium of norn iron fans?

None that I know of. When the Maze was first suggested I backed it enthusiastically (even with the terror shrine). It was only when the logistics were looked into and it was shown to be an unworkable white elephant, that I changed my mind.

Sammy sammy sammy, you are great at twisting statistics. Not every comment on the discussion is against the maze, you know that fine well.


The point im making is that the CRC has a bearing on peoples viewpoint of the viability of the maze, which is backed up by my evidence.

I think i have made my point, I dont see any point discussing this further with you.

[SammyG]

You said earlier than not one norn iron fan rejects the maze proposals because of the CRC, i doubt this very much so.

Could you show me the post where I said that?

I would imagine if there was no conflict centre the maze project would be well under way by now.

I would say 50% of the norn iron fans who are against the stadium would be for this reason.

Given that I don't know one fan, who is against the Maze, for that reason, could you tell us what your 50% is based on?

Are you trying to tell me that the CRC has no bearing on the favourable location of the new stadium of norn iron fans?

None that I know of. When the Maze was first suggested I backed it enthusiastically (even with the terror shrine). It was only when the logistics were looked into and it was shown to be an unworkable white elephant, that I changed my mind.

Sammy sammy sammy, you are great at twisting statistics. Not every comment on the discussion is against the maze, you know that fine well.


The point im making is that the CRC has a bearing on peoples viewpoint of the viability of the maze, which is backed up by my evidence.

I think i have made my point, I dont see any point discussing this further with you.
[/quote]
You said over 50% and that this was backed up by 'evidence' on the poll. You then produced 5% (none of which were even about NI supporters). You've made a point alright, the point being that you lied and don't like being pulled up about it.

p.s. Try reading my highlighted post again and tell me where I said no NI supporters were against the terror shrine.

[snatter]

However, iirc, did Martin McGuinness not say that "No Conflict Centre = No Stadium"? Moreover, a GAA commentator (Bradley?) also was of the opinion that a behind-the-scenes understanding between the GAA and SF may have been reached, whereby the GAA would go along with the Stadium/CC plan, in return for SF making no trouble for the GAA over opening Croke to the IRFU and FAI? (My recollection may not be correct)

EG,

Sounds like you're harking back to the days of the paranoid DUP'ers and their once upon a time "Pan-Nationalist Front".
Remember the likes of Sammy Wilson when he claimed that the GAA were the IRA at play.

Now you're running out of arguments, lets throw muck that the GAA are in cahoots with / run for the benefit of the Provos.
Nice....utterly sectarian...devoid of proof...devoid of logic....utterly brainless.
Just what influence do you think the shinners have in a 32 county GAA?

I thought we'd moved on from that, but obviously if there's nothing left to throw in your attempts to scuttle the Maze, then why not?
After all, it looks like the rejectionists have failed to come up with alternative Belfast sites, and if PWC leaks are correct, lost the argument that its cheaper to develop existing stadia.  Soccer and rugby have happily existed at Croker fro several years, so that argument's out the window as well.

Face it - you're stuffed, and your GAA/SF is innuendo. Nothing more than the bitter rantings of a lost cause.

Surely by now, there must be some recognition that the GAA support this because its good for the GAA.
Nothing more, nothing less.
It delivers the 40k plus high quality Ulster stadium envisaged in our last strategic review report.
And all for a massively lower cost (and risk) than developing it ourselves.

[SammyG]

and if PWC leaks are correct, lost the argument that its cheaper to develop existing stadia. 

More lies, do you never stop?

[stiffler]