Long Kesh Park takes another step forward

[saffron sam2]

Donagh,

No thoughts on my previous post re the shinners linking their support of the stadium to the conflict centre?
It would be nice for them to act in the GAA's best interests on this one.

Surely if the stadium is in the GAA's best interests, then the shinners should do the intelligent thing and let it proceed, whilst parking the conflict centre for a year or two.

Seems like a very good suggestion to me, but as far as I know, the idea of the stadium and conflict resolution centre was driven by an all party working group of Lisburn Council. I don't think SF as a party have a policy on it either way, although as one of their councilors was on the working group I assume they're supporting whatever he feels is the best way forward for nationalists in the Lisburn area.   

Donagh, do you genuinely believe everything you write here?

[snatter]

Donagh,

No thoughts on my previous post re the shinners linking their support of the stadium to the conflict centre?
It would be nice for them to act in the GAA's best interests on this one.

Surely if the stadium is in the GAA's best interests, then the shinners should do the intelligent thing and let it proceed, whilst parking the conflict centre for a year or two.

Seems like a very good suggestion to me, but as far as I know, the idea of the stadium and conflict resolution centre was driven by an all party working group of Lisburn Council. I don't think SF as a party have a policy on it either way, although as one of their councilors was on the working group I assume they're supporting whatever he feels is the best way forward for nationalists in the Lisburn area.   

Donagh, do you genuinely believe everything you write here?

SS,

I recall some shinner (Paul somebody from LBC) making clear that as far as SF was concerned - no conflict centre, no stadium.
At the time I thought he had a cheek to try and dictate things, especially when all three sports bodies were in favour.

[snatter]

EG,

allegedly the PriceWaterhouse report also costed the option of upgrading the three grounds.

That option, along with the NOrth Foreshore one was rejected on cost grounds in favour of the Maze.

Assuming that this report stands up to scrutiny, surely by now (several years later), the anti-Maze brigade now accept that the Maze is indeed the best option available.
They have failed miserably to come up with any alternatives.

Is this the same PriceWaterHouse report that only adds up if they allow zero running costs and over £100 a ticket?

The report isn't even published yet, so htf could you know what's in it?

I think we should all wait and at least pretend that we've read it before throwng wild accusations about.

[SammyG]

EG,

allegedly the PriceWaterhouse report also costed the option of upgrading the three grounds.

That option, along with the NOrth Foreshore one was rejected on cost grounds in favour of the Maze.

Assuming that this report stands up to scrutiny, surely by now (several years later), the anti-Maze brigade now accept that the Maze is indeed the best option available.
They have failed miserably to come up with any alternatives.

Is this the same PriceWaterHouse report that only adds up if they allow zero running costs and over £100 a ticket?

The report isn't even published yet, so htf could you know what's in it?

I think we should all wait and at least pretend that we've read it before throwng wild accusations about.

The report was 'leaked', to UTV, earlier in the week. You can read the details at http://u.tv/newsroom/indepth.asp?id=87616&pt=n

Obviously this could be completely made up but given that it came from the a Government source and UTV are 100% pro-Maze, I'd have thought it was unlikely.

[his holiness nb]

While I do think the hunger strikers should be commemorated, is the idea of the centre here, or even the history of what happened there, a possible reason for the less enlightened members of the NI fans to not wish the stadium to be located here?

I know they may give other reasons, and am not suggesting this is the reason that EG and Sammy are objecting, but it could be in the minds of the more neanderthal members of their support, being that its a place where history took place and heroes (in some peoples eyes) on the republican side were born.

Now before you jump down my throat, I know the arguments for not having the stadium there, and will not dispute any of them, I was just wondering would this also be on some peoples minds when making their arguments.

[SammyG]

While I do think the hunger strikers should be commemorated, is the idea of the centre here, or even the history of what happened there, a possible reason for the less enlightened members of the NI fans to not wish the stadium to be located here?

I know they may give other reasons, and am not suggesting this is the reason that EG and Sammy are objecting, but it could be in the minds of the more neanderthal members of their support, being that its a place where history took place and heroes (in some peoples eyes) on the republican side were born.

Now before you jump down my throat, I know the arguments for not having the stadium there, and will not dispute any of them, I was just wondering would this also be on some peoples minds when making their arguments.

Of course the issue of glorifying murdering scumbags (on both sides) is an issue but it is such a tiny, tiny issue that it is irrelevant in comparison to the real issues of infrastructure, capacity, roads, cost etc.

The H-Block is listed, so there'll be a terror shrine whether the stadium is built or not.

[his holiness nb]

Of course the issue of glorifying murdering scumbags (on both sides) is an issue but it is such a tiny, tiny issue that it is irrelevant in comparison to the real issues of infrastructure, capacity, roads, cost etc.

The H-Block is listed, so there'll be a terror shrine whether the stadium is built or not.

Nice little rant there Sammy, you really showed us 

[Donagh]

Donagh,

No thoughts on my previous post re the shinners linking their support of the stadium to the conflict centre?
It would be nice for them to act in the GAA's best interests on this one.

Surely if the stadium is in the GAA's best interests, then the shinners should do the intelligent thing and let it proceed, whilst parking the conflict centre for a year or two.

Seems like a very good suggestion to me, but as far as I know, the idea of the stadium and conflict resolution centre was driven by an all party working group of Lisburn Council. I don't think SF as a party have a policy on it either way, although as one of their councilors was on the working group I assume they're supporting whatever he feels is the best way forward for nationalists in the Lisburn area.   

Donagh, do you genuinely believe everything you write here?

Did you miss the bit where I stated "as far as I know"?

The conflict resolution centre and stadium was first mentioned by these people way back in 2003. So I'm not sure what you are getting at SS

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4296287.stm

[dec]

The H-Block is listed, so there'll be a terror shrine whether the stadium is built or not.

Have you ever been to Dachau? Do you consider it a terror shrine?

[SammyG]

Of course the issue of glorifying murdering scumbags (on both sides) is an issue but it is such a tiny, tiny issue that it is irrelevant in comparison to the real issues of infrastructure, capacity, roads, cost etc.

The H-Block is listed, so there'll be a terror shrine whether the stadium is built or not.

Nice little rant there Sammy, you really showed us 

WTF, you asked a question and I answered it? How is that a rant?

[SammyG]

The H-Block is listed, so there'll be a terror shrine whether the stadium is built or not.

Have you ever been to Dachau? Do you consider it a terror shrine?

No to both questions. Not sure what that has to do with the discussion.

[his holiness nb]

WTF, you asked a question and I answered it? How is that a rant?

Murdering scumbags, terror shrine?

I deliberately put "in some peoples eyes" after heroes on my post so we wouldnt get into this shite of one mans terrorist is anothers freedom fighter argument.

You threw these comments in to try to get a reaction. No other reason.

Grow up 

[saffron sam2]

Donagh,

No thoughts on my previous post re the shinners linking their support of the stadium to the conflict centre?
It would be nice for them to act in the GAA's best interests on this one.

Surely if the stadium is in the GAA's best interests, then the shinners should do the intelligent thing and let it proceed, whilst parking the conflict centre for a year or two.

Seems like a very good suggestion to me, but as far as I know, the idea of the stadium and conflict resolution centre was driven by an all party working group of Lisburn Council. I don't think SF as a party have a policy on it either way, although as one of their councilors was on the working group I assume they're supporting whatever he feels is the best way forward for nationalists in the Lisburn area.   

Donagh, do you genuinely believe everything you write here?

Did you miss the bit where I stated "as far as I know"?

The conflict resolution centre and stadium was first mentioned by these people way back in 2003. So I'm not sure what you are getting at SS

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4296287.stm

You're very careful with the way you put things.

as far as I know, the idea of the stadium and conflict resolution centre was driven by an all party working group of Lisburn Council. I don't think SF as a party have a policy on it either way,

My reading would be that the only way the Shinners would agree to the stadium was if it went hand in hand with the CRC. You seem to be suggesting that the stadium and CRC is the idea of the working group. I don't know if it arrogant or naive to believe that the idea of a CRC came from that working party initially.

[Donagh]

You're very careful with the way you put things.

as far as I know, the idea of the stadium and conflict resolution centre was driven by an all party working group of Lisburn Council. I don't think SF as a party have a policy on it either way,

My reading would be that the only way the Shinners would agree to the stadium was if it went hand in hand with the CRC. You seem to be suggesting that the stadium and CRC is the idea of the working group. I don't know if it arrogant or naive to believe that the idea of a CRC came from that working party initially.

SS I'm suggesting that I don't really know much about it except that I first heard the idea mooted by a group from Lisburn Council. Whoever suggested what or who supports what I haven't the foggiest but I would probably guess that Paul Butler felt it was time to assert himself after he and those who elected him were shafted in the wake of Lisburn being made a 'city'. He would probably see this as the opportune issue to hit back at Lisburn Council for excluding nationalist representatives and I assume SF rolled in behind him on it. As to whether SF have a policy on it, I don't know. Most SFers I know, apart of a few in S Armagh and a certain ex Antrim manager have little interest in sport and couldn't really care less where the stadium is built.     

[SammyG]

WTF, you asked a question and I answered it? How is that a rant?

Murdering scumbags, terror shrine?

I deliberately put "in some peoples eyes" after heroes on my post so we wouldnt get into this shite of one mans terrorist is anothers freedom fighter argument.

You threw these comments in to try to get a reaction. No other reason.

Grow up 

Sorry I didn't realise you were able to read minds!!!