Long Kesh Park takes another step forward

[Donagh]

Also, as for the "no Fenians about"  comment relating to Blanchflower stadium - that's my home soccer pitch and never had a problem there at all!  (Hence I'm against this alternative to the Maze!!)

That was in reference to the GAA saying the site is unacceptable.

Total horseshit! You directly accused OWC fans of being "happy" to overlook distance and scarcity of bars, restaurants etc around DB Park, since "there's no Fenians about" (a complete invention  of yours, btw, since no-one on OWC ever posted anything of the sort)

Here is your exact quotation:
"It's very amusing to watch the reaction to the proposed DB over on OWC. It doesn't matter anymore that it's not within walking distance of the city centre or that there are no pubs of restaurants nearby, so long as there's no Fenians about they're all happy. Just confirms what we all knew in the first place"

Your bigoted and offensive post was nothing whatever to do with the GAA's attitude to any stadium anywhere in Belfast, never mind the DB and seeing as it was only just after 10 o'clock this morning, so you can hardly pretend you had forgotten what you posted.

Disgraceful.

That post was a direct response to 'take_yer_points'. I stand by the original that you reproduced.

The OWDefenders are falling overthmsleves now working out plans for shuttle buses which were somehow unacceptable for the Long Kesh stadium, but this bloke take the prize:

"Shame about the GAA not being happy. It's sad to see an organisation that glorifies terrorists feel they are being left out in the cold - just as well they don't do anything non-inclusive themselves."

[Main Street]

The table on Page 79 is projected operating revenues, for the Maze (which apply were ever the stadium is built) . I am talking abouut the rationale for picking the Maze over Belfast, which is in section 11 of the report 'Conclusions and Reccommendations', from page 121.

This says that the reason for picking the Mze is that it will have a net cost of only £37 million after four years and this is based on projected cost of £240 million with £203 million revenue from spectators. And just for good measure those figures assume 0 running costs, in the first 4 years.

You need to read the whole report and not try and chery pick individual tables.

Not quite, you wrote this "the Maze would gerenate £207 million in ticket revenue, over the first four years and that this was based on 23 events generating 469000 spectators per year. 469000 per year for four years is 1876000. £207 million divided by 1876000 spectators = £110.34 per ticket".

Visitor spend figures are not calculated from ticket revenue, it is a seperate calculation. It is an estimate of what visitors are expected to spend while they are attending the Maze stadium.
The estimates for income gained from visitor spend are detailed in section 7 and they are also compared with visitor spend figures for other stadium options and also calculated in the figures for other options. If you have the opinion that the visitor income figures exaggerated then they could well be exaggerated for the other options.


 
   

 

[Donagh]

In the document Sammy offered as evidence of £100 ticket prices, PWC are calculating income from regular ticket sales, corporate boxes, premium seats, sponsorship, merchandise catering, naming rights, car parking.

Operating revenue calculated from regular ticket sales are based on current pricing models.

I just seen that. From what I can see on p79, they only need to raise £1.3 million per year through standard ticket sales.

The table on Page 79 is projected operating revenues, for the Maze (which apply were ever the stadium is built) . I am talking abouut the rationale for picking the Maze over Belfast, which is in section 11 of the report 'Conclusions and Reccommendations', from page 121.

This says that the reason for picking the Mze is that it will have a net cost of only £37 million after four years and this is based on projected cost of £240 million with £203 million revenue from spectators. And just for good measure those figures assume 0 running costs, in the first 4 years.

You need to read the whole report and not try and chery pick individual tables.

Sammy you said PWC said they'd have to charge £100 a ticket and despite a number of requests you have not been able to back this up.

[Donagh]

At least Donagh appears to have the sense to keep his head down for a while after he posts crap.

Donagh has a life with a real paying full time job, so even if he did have the inclination to spend his own time replying to windbags who spend their most of their sad lives on three or four discussion forums, he can't afford to spend the firms time doing it.

[Donagh]

Donagh made up an offensive and insulting slur against the whole of OWC and then tried to pretend he was referring to something else entirely.

No I didn't.

[SammyG]

The table on Page 79 is projected operating revenues, for the Maze (which apply were ever the stadium is built) . I am talking abouut the rationale for picking the Maze over Belfast, which is in section 11 of the report 'Conclusions and Reccommendations', from page 121.

This says that the reason for picking the Mze is that it will have a net cost of only £37 million after four years and this is based on projected cost of £240 million with £203 million revenue from spectators. And just for good measure those figures assume 0 running costs, in the first 4 years.

You need to read the whole report and not try and chery pick individual tables.

Not quite, you wrote this "the Maze would gerenate £207 million in ticket revenue, over the first four years and that this was based on 23 events generating 469000 spectators per year. 469000 per year for four years is 1876000. £207 million divided by 1876000 spectators = £110.34 per ticket".

Visitor spend figures are not calculated from ticket revenue, it is a seperate calculation. It is an estimate of what visitors are expected to spend while they are attending the Maze stadium.
The estimates for income gained from visitor spend are detailed in section 7 and they are also compared with visitor spend figures for other stadium options and also calculated in the figures for other options. If you have the opinion that the visitor income figures exaggerated then they could well be exaggerated for the other options.

OK let's assume you're correct and the figures are total spectator revenue not just tickets (even though the report says different). So we have £30 quid per ticket and £80.34 spent on burgers and sundries. Even Wembley only charge £7 for a burger and chips meal and that includes a drink, what's the other £73 going to be spent on?

[Evil Genius]

Also, as for the "no Fenians about"  comment relating to Blanchflower stadium - that's my home soccer pitch and never had a problem there at all!  (Hence I'm against this alternative to the Maze!!)

That was in reference to the GAA saying the site is unacceptable.

Total horseshit! You directly accused OWC fans of being "happy" to overlook distance and scarcity of bars, restaurants etc around DB Park, since "there's no Fenians about" (a complete invention  of yours, btw, since no-one on OWC ever posted anything of the sort)

Here is your exact quotation:
"It's very amusing to watch the reaction to the proposed DB over on OWC. It doesn't matter anymore that it's not within walking distance of the city centre or that there are no pubs of restaurants nearby, so long as there's no Fenians about they're all happy. Just confirms what we all knew in the first place"

Your bigoted and offensive post was nothing whatever to do with the GAA's attitude to any stadium anywhere in Belfast, never mind the DB and seeing as it was only just after 10 o'clock this morning, so you can hardly pretend you had forgotten what you posted.

Disgraceful.

That post was a direct response to 'take_yer_points'. I stand by the original that you reproduced.

Sorry, but there is no other conceivable interpretation of your post but that you were accusing OWCers of being happy to go to the DB Stadium because "there's no Fenians about" [it]. Once again, I will reproduce your exact words:
"It's very amusing to watch the reaction to the proposed DB over on OWC. It doesn't matter anymore that it's not within walking distance of the city centre or that there are no pubs of restaurants nearby, so long as there's no Fenians about they're all happy. Just confirms what we all knew in the first place"
Absolutely no ambiguity whatever about that. But the fact that instead of withdrawing it and/or apologising, you prefer instead to try to pretend it is something else entirely merely "confirms what we all knew in the first place" about you!

The OWDefenders are falling overthmsleves now working out plans for shuttle buses which were somehow unacceptable for the Long Kesh stadium, but this bloke take the prize:

"Shame about the GAA not being happy. It's sad to see an organisation that glorifies terrorists feel they are being left out in the cold - just as well they don't do anything non-inclusive themselves."

Nice try at diverting everyones attention to an individual post by someone else on another site, especially when it might be expected to elicit sympathy for you on here. But it won't work.

You fabricated an entirely malicious, offensive and bigoted slur on me and everyone else who posts on OWC and when taken up on it, tried to pretend your post was something else entirely, even though it most transparently was not.

Disgraceful.

[thejuice]

Sammy you said PWC said they'd have to charge £100 a ticket and despite a number of requests you have not been able to back this up.

Quote from: SammyG on Today at 10:09:32 AM

In order to make the Maze 'cheaper' than the various Belfast sites, the PWC report said the Maze would gerenate £207 million in ticket revenue, over the first four years and that this was based on 23 events generating 469000 spectators per year. 469000 per year for four years is 1876000. £207 million divided by 1876000 spectators = £110.34 per ticket.

Donagh; I do believe thats where that figure came from. Sorry Sammy dont mean to answer for you,

[his holiness nb]

You're at it again! Donagh is quite capable of answering for himself - neither of us needs you to speak for him
Pardon me, should I wait for you to tell me which posts I am invited to respond to in future?  

Whereas, when you posted on OWC, I debated the issues with you in what I hope was at all times a moderate and respectful manner. As such, I will happily answer for everything I posted. Now as it happens, I have no problem in condemning any posters who may have subjected you to "bigoted and offensive posts" - some examples, please?

You weren't responsible for the bigoted posts EG, I have said that before. And as I have said to Sammy, I wont be going back to that site to dig up examples, they are all there should anyone wish to view them.

You seem quick enough to complain to the Mods on this Board

You seem quick to presume this. But of course you know what I do and don't report  

so don't whinge when you didn't even try to avail of the complaints procedure on OWC.
Sammy G is a mod there, I'm sure I would get far  

However, unlike you, I don't flounce off in a hissy fit

I encountered a lot of bigotry on there, so left.
By your logic, Darren Graham retiring from the GAA was a "hissy fit".

You made an idiot of yourself on OWC, now you're doing it on this Board.

I did no such thing, it was the OWC board that embarrassed itself when its true colours came out when a GAA man came on to politely discuss a few issues. Akin to a pack of wolves.

[nifan]

it was the OWC board that embarrassed itself when its true colours came out when a GAA man came on to politely discuss a few issues

Thats ludicrous - "the board" is made up of many individuals with different opinion.
Should this board be embarassed by every cringeworthy moment Fearon creates for example? are you in part culpable for every bigoted statement on this board?

There has been numeorus other GAA men been on there for a lot longer than you and "the boards" true colours havent forced them out.

[Donagh]

Sorry, but there is no other conceivable interpretation of your post but that you were accusing OWCers of being happy to go to the DB Stadium because "there's no Fenians about" [it]. Once again, I will reproduce your exact words:

I don't deny that so you don't have to reproduce it.

Absolutely no ambiguity whatever about that. But the fact that instead of withdrawing it and/or apologising, you prefer instead to try to pretend it is something else entirely merely "confirms what we all knew in the first place" about you!

I wasn't withdrawing anything, but if you took the time to consider things before prematurely ejaculating over ever thread you see, you might have come to the conclusion that I was making a distinction between the OWVolunteers and the residents in the vicinity of the DB stadium.

Nice try at diverting everyones attention to an individual post by someone else on another site, especially when it might be expected to elicit sympathy for you on here. But it won't work.

No, you said no one on OWC expressed anything in the nature of what I posted. Well there's one that proves you wrong.

You fabricated an entirely malicious, offensive and bigoted slur on me and everyone else who posts on OWC and when taken up on it, tried to pretend your post was something else entirely, even though it most transparently was not.

As I said, premature ejaculation

Disgraceful.

[SammyG]

so don't whinge when you didn't even try to avail of the complaints procedure on OWC.
Sammy G is a mod there, I'm sure I would get far  

Certainly am and I asked you several times to point out the posts, that you had a problem with and you refused (and are still refusing)

[Donagh]

Sammy you said PWC said they'd have to charge £100 a ticket and despite a number of requests you have not been able to back this up.

Quote from: SammyG on Today at 10:09:32 AM

In order to make the Maze 'cheaper' than the various Belfast sites, the PWC report said the Maze would gerenate £207 million in ticket revenue, over the first four years and that this was based on 23 events generating 469000 spectators per year. 469000 per year for four years is 1876000. £207 million divided by 1876000 spectators = £110.34 per ticket.

Donagh; I do believe thats where that figure came from. Sorry Sammy dont mean to answer for you,

Aye juice but Sammy knows full well that all tickets aren't going to be priced the same as there will also have Premium tickets and Corporate boxes costing substantially more than a standard ticket. Those areas will also have their own banqueting facilities with meals and drinks costing more than the standard ticket area. Then there's car parking, sponsorship, gift shops and other corporate hospitality etc... so at the very best he is being extremely disingenuous and at worst a liar.

[SammyG]

Sammy you said PWC said they'd have to charge £100 a ticket and despite a number of requests you have not been able to back this up.

Quote from: SammyG on Today at 10:09:32 AM

In order to make the Maze 'cheaper' than the various Belfast sites, the PWC report said the Maze would gerenate £207 million in ticket revenue, over the first four years and that this was based on 23 events generating 469000 spectators per year. 469000 per year for four years is 1876000. £207 million divided by 1876000 spectators = £110.34 per ticket.

Donagh; I do believe thats where that figure came from. Sorry Sammy dont mean to answer for you,

Aye juice but Sammy knows full well that all tickets aren't going to be priced the same as there will also have Premium tickets and Corporate boxes costing substantially more than a standard ticket. Those areas will also have their own banqueting facilities with meals and drinks costing more than the standard ticket area. Then there's car parking, sponsorship, gift shops and other corporate hospitality etc... so at the very best he is being extremely disingenuous and at worst a liar.

The PWC figures, quoted by me, are based on SPECTATOR NUMBERS not corporate sponsorship etc, which are covered by a different bit of the report. Christ Donagh it's not that difficult.

[Donagh]

Sammy you said PWC said they'd have to charge £100 a ticket and despite a number of requests you have not been able to back this up.

Quote from: SammyG on Today at 10:09:32 AM

In order to make the Maze 'cheaper' than the various Belfast sites, the PWC report said the Maze would gerenate £207 million in ticket revenue, over the first four years and that this was based on 23 events generating 469000 spectators per year. 469000 per year for four years is 1876000. £207 million divided by 1876000 spectators = £110.34 per ticket.

Donagh; I do believe thats where that figure came from. Sorry Sammy dont mean to answer for you,

Aye juice but Sammy knows full well that all tickets aren't going to be priced the same as there will also have Premium tickets and Corporate boxes costing substantially more than a standard ticket. Those areas will also have their own banqueting facilities with meals and drinks costing more than the standard ticket area. Then there's car parking, sponsorship, gift shops and other corporate hospitality etc... so at the very best he is being extremely disingenuous and at worst a liar.

The PWC figures, quoted by me, are based on SPECTATOR NUMBERS not corporate sponsorship etc, which are covered by a different bit of the report. Christ Donagh it's not that difficult.

So are the people in the boxes and premium seats not spectators requiring car parking, shops, banqueting and other corporate hospitality? Will they or the companies that own the boxes not be paying substantially more per ticket than those in the standard ticket areas?