Tyrone v Down - Sun 18th May, Omagh

[omagh_gael]

The worst dive in my opinion was Conor Garvey (nearly 100% is was him) after he dunted into Kyle Coney in the second half. Would have added at least 5 pages to this thread if it was Sean. Sean never does himself any favours with his propensity to hit the dirt, however, he was being fouled for at least 4/5 seconds before he finally went down for that last free, it was right in front of me.

[trueblue1234]

You'd have to laugh at some of the posters on here. Had it been the other way about you would have heard about how cynical Tyrone were with the "of the ball" dragging and holding and that it served them right to conceed the free. 

[PAULD123]

McGinn should not have got a black card because it should not even have been a penalty.

Donnelly had already taken 7 steps when McGinn rugby tackled him. Coldrick let players run 7-8 steps all day. If we have a rule then it should be used. Ok, maybe a fifth step if the player is under pressure and seriously trying to get rid of the ball is a fair relaxation. But by the time you are at 7 you have definitely fouled the ball.

Having said that once Coldrick had deemed that he didn't have to implement one of the long established rules in the rulebook, sure why should he then bother to comply with the rule on advantage play (does he actually know how long 5 seconds is???), nor why bother with black cards "Deliberately pull down an opponent"

Look the above comments are meant more in whimsy than to be taken seriously. The real point I am making is that there is little merit in commenting on Coldrick's refereeing of an individual incident when his refereeing in general was so poorly lacking technically all day. I accept referees make mistakes because they can't see everything but they should at least be technically correct. And he is meant to be the best in the country!!!

[highorlow]

Not sure if I'm correct but I thought Benny footblocked that last ball into the sideline so it should have been a free in the first place instead of a line ball.

[neilthemac]

I genuinely want to see what the last free was given for?

Wasn't on the Sunday game last night, nor during the game yesterday.

[nrico2006]

The last free was given for pushing/pulling of Cavanagh.  As for the Tyrone penalty, of course a player takes more steps when he is being fouled/pulled back.  The referee gives the player in this instance a bit of leeway, common sense.  Haven't heard anyone say that Donnelly shouldn't have won the penalty.

[haranguerer]

Not sure if I'm correct but I thought Benny footblocked that last ball into the sideline so it should have been a free in the first place instead of a line ball.

Thought same, it would have been a lot tougher than the one they were left with though

[Aristo 60]

33 pages.

Really?

[Under Lights]

Terrible team selection yesterday and two of the biggest calls (McGinley and McKenna) really back fired.  McGinley looked lost when under pressure up front and missed a lot of easy chances, but he is a defender and not a forward.  I thought that during the league Tyrone had gone away from this endless carrying the ball game, and instead were focused on playing quick foot passes into the forwards.  Yesterday ti seemed like Tyrone had reverted back to their old ways, maybe that was in part due to the lack of space seen up front with the number of Down bodies back, I dunno.  The one thing that does worry me is how easily the Tyrone defence is opened up when a ball is fed in to the opposition full forward line who recycles it to a player who is running through.  One of the goals yesterday came from this and Johnston also nearly had one through the same tactic.  Surely the prevention of this should have been really worked on in training as it was happening very often in the Mayo, Kerry and Dublin games in the league.  As someone said, maybe we have too many offensive orientated players in defence.  I think people are being hard on McBride too, you have to consider that this was his first Ulster Championship start for Tyrone yet I think he performed well, with his man scoring maybe a point.

Agree with most of this. The same weaknesses that Tyrone had during the NFL were witnessed yesterday too, and it's worrying that there appears to be neither (A) a plan to change things or (B) the personnel to change things and/ or implement a plan.

The FF line was decent enough yesterday when the ball went it. However I can't understand why Ronan O'Neill didn't get any game time, never mind start. Rumours of a fall out with Harte doing the rounds last week appear likely.

We have only a handful of real top notch players, Coney, Cavanagh (S), Morgan, Mattie Donnelly, McCurry on that XV yesterday so it can be no real surprise that we are where we are.

Ronan O'Neill should have wound his neck in and apologised. We all know MH is a man of principal.

[Nally Stand]

33 pages.

Really?

The last ten or so mostly made up of lads repeating what they heard Joe Brolly saying about diving.

zzzzz

[PAULD123]

The last free was given for pushing/pulling of Cavanagh.  As for the Tyrone penalty, of course a player takes more steps when he is being fouled/pulled back.  The referee gives the player in this instance a bit of leeway, common sense.  Haven't heard anyone say that Donnelly shouldn't have won the penalty.

Martin McHugh said it yesterday almost as soon as the penalty had been awarded.

Anyway Donnelly had already taken 7 steps before he was fouled so how does that common sense rule of yours work

On that very point - where in the rulebook is that common sense rule you talk about? Rules say you don't take over 4 steps. McVeigh and McGinn had prevented Donnelly from shooting fairly and his time was up. But Coldrick allowed more steps so he could run round them. That is a hugely unfair advantage to the attacker and totally makes a mockery of the good blocking up to that point.

Look you seem to have missed the point (even though I literally spelled it out). The point is that he was poor over the whole game and that is more important than a single incident. Many failures to implement rules that, if taken literally, would totally change what happened next. Too much focus on one incident we should be talking about the many incidents where Coldrick failed miserably to follow the technical rules. If all our refs agreed at least to follow the ALL rules then at least we would have the consistency Micky Harte was asking for.

[BennyHarp]

How Sean Cavanagh got the last free still hasn't been shown on RTE
Amazing, considering Tyrone players were falling to the ground all game 'engineering' frees

You'd think Tyrone invented the dive - Wee James was teaching everyone how its done properly many years ago! This is much worse than anything seen in Omagh yesterday.  http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7438268.stm

[Under Lights]

Double header with the Tyrone V Monaghan minors this Saturday night.

[AZOffaly]

I thought as a neutral it was an interesting game. The first half was dire, sloppy passing, poor shooting, simple turnovers, but the second was a lot better. I'm not sure how the Down #10 didn't get black carded for the penalty when Coldrick decided not to play advantage. That same lad scored the third goal I think. Mind you I think he is the one who got a black card near the end for a foul on Cavanagh.

Cavanagh is an awful messer with the diving, but he ships a lot of abuse. I think he probably ships even more now because he's starting to slow down a bit, relative to all these 22 and 23 year olds. Breakdancing on the floor after a belt in the ribs was a bit much. If he was that hurt I doubt he'd be able to move around so much, but he was fouled for the last free alright. Crazy defending by Down in that instance.

I thought the black card was correct for Morgan. Coldrick would have seen that as a deliberate trip, I'm sure, and so a black card. Some people might see it as a kick rather than a trip, but I'd have said that was harsh.

I couldn't believe how open Tyrone were at the back, and it was nothing to do with being afraid to tackle or black cards. Their positioning relative to their direct opponents was cat, and Peter Harte, who is *not* a wing back in my opinion, was exposed badly a couple of times. Very naive stuff, and surprising because of it.

To the Tyrone lads on here about Mickey Harte. I agree 100%, he's a joke. Send him down to Offaly please.

[nrico2006]

The last free was given for pushing/pulling of Cavanagh.  As for the Tyrone penalty, of course a player takes more steps when he is being fouled/pulled back.  The referee gives the player in this instance a bit of leeway, common sense.  Haven't heard anyone say that Donnelly shouldn't have won the penalty.

Martin McHugh said it yesterday almost as soon as the penalty had been awarded.

Anyway Donnelly had already taken 7 steps before he was fouled so how does that common sense rule of yours work

On that very point - where in the rulebook is that common sense rule you talk about? Rules say you don't take over 4 steps. McVeigh and McGinn had prevented Donnelly from shooting fairly and his time was up. But Coldrick allowed more steps so he could run round them. That is a hugely unfair advantage to the attacker and totally makes a mockery of the good blocking up to that point.

Look you seem to have missed the point (even though I literally spelled it out). The point is that he was poor over the whole game and that is more important than a single incident. Many failures to implement rules that, if taken literally, would totally change what happened next. Too much focus on one incident we should be talking about the many incidents where Coldrick failed miserably to follow the technical rules. If all our refs agreed at least to follow the ALL rules then at least we would have the consistency Micky Harte was asking for.

Are you serious?  So because McHugh says something then it must be true.  It was as clear a penalty as there ever has been, see the following link and you will see he was bearhugged to the ground long before he got to his steps allocation.  A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkMGN0EBZuM


s for common sense, every ref in the country applies it, although not all the time.  When a player is being dragged back and goes over his 4 steps the referee would always have let them get away with a few more - that's common sense.