10 Years Ago Today. Tyrone 0-12 Armagh 0-9.

[Croí na hÉireann]

Or you could stick to the facts?

2003 AI Semi Final.Ugliest game of all time.Fact.

2003 AI Final.Injury feigned to get an opposing player sent off at a crucial stage of the game.Fact.

2005.Ulster Final replay,two players sent off.Fact

2005 AI Final.Greatest player of the modern era almost loses an eye due to gouging.Fact

2013 AI quarter final,Monaghan player hauled down enroute to goal,prompting the correct forthright analysis of Tyrone's decade of cynicism and spoiling tactics,permeated right down through all levels of the sport,delivered not be a southern born pundit,but from one born in Derry.

Id like to add...

McMenamin's knees almost decapitate McEntee.

Canavans dive to win penalty v Down 03

Cavanagh taking out McGeeney 05

McGuigan gets Gregory McCartan sent off 03

Also the persistent goading, thumping, slabbering and underhand tactics to opponents by the likes of McMenamin, Gormley, Jordan down the years. And persistent diving by Canavan, Cavanagh, Mulligan etc to win handy frees.

Ive said it before, even though Harte brought Tyrone success, his tactics have really dragged down the game this last decade.

Wow, you really are bitter about Tyrone's success or is it more to do with Armagh's failures after 2002. I'm sure you thought at the end of 2002 that Armagh would go on and dominate but up steps Mickey Harte and Tyrone who go on and become one of the greatest teams ever while Armagh slump back into the wilderness where they belong. Tyrone will win another 5 Sam's before Armagh even get close.  I suppose I can see why you are so bitter then.

They are facts. It's nothing to do with bitterness. Speaking of bitter, I sense it in your own post. Maybe it's because we got our hands on Sam before Tyrone did?

Tyrone one of the greatest sides? Well that's only your opinion.

Tyrone will win 5 Sams before we even get close. Great statement. How old are you, twelve?!

I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to put a list together of some Armagh "facts" that would be on par with Tyrone's. Armagh were certainly no angels. Armagh are now about as relevant as the Longfords, Westmeath's and Limerick's of the GAA world while Tyrone will continue to dine at the top table. I guess that what annoys you most but you are going to have to accept it as that my friend is definitely a " fact" .

Eh, Westmeath will be dining at the exact same table as Tyrone next February. You need a bit more work on your facts there Rodney. You plonker.

Now back to the Gulag.

[ONeill]

Scraps, Croi, scraps.

[Armaghtothebone]

They won Ulster in 03 I think, meaning that's the only year they would have been involved in the AI club after Christmas. Armaghs last of their 3 Ulsters was 06, just before Cross won their next AI.

At least you are armed with all the facts. 

00 Bellaghy
01 Ballinderry
02 Errigal Ciaran
03 Loup
04 Crossmaglen
05 St Galls
06 Crossmaglen

So, since March 2000 (Cross' 3rd title), Cross players were only involved with the club after the New Year, in 2005 (lost AI semi). They weren't involved again until they won the AI in March 07. A few months later Armagh were out in the 1st round qualifiers.

It proves that when Armagh were strong, Cross weren't as successful in the Club series. Yes they won lots of Armagh titles but they were knocked out of Ulster before Christmas, so they were free to train with Armagh come the new year.

You missed the fact that Cross won the all Ireland club in 2000 and won the 07 ulste club.

[Throw ball]

armagh won an AI minor title not so long ago think 09, have any of these guys come through to the senior panel?

Off the top of my head. In the last championship match this year.

Morgan - injury permitting he will be a really top player
McVerry

Both played. Carragher, McKenna and McParland were also on panel but headed to states. Grugan and Donnelly were also on panel. The best forward of the lot, Tasker, has not been on panel for a number of reasons. All things remaining equal he will be there next year.

[armaghniac]

It proves that when Armagh were strong, Cross weren't as successful in the Club series.

Are you sure you have cause and effect in the right order here? It is a bit like saying that it when it is wet that it rains.

[BennyCake]

I love the image Kerry people have of Tyrone football and what they think goes on at trainings - no wonder their players shit themselves at the sight of the Tyrone shirt. Its also reassuring to see that a new generation of Kerry players have shown that the psychological scars have been passed down to the next generation as they wilted under the Tyrone onslaught in the AI minor quarter final.

Maybe its because they are spooked by their parents. I can just imagine their parents, while they tuck them into bed at night, telling them tales of the big bad Tyrone players and how their use of the dark arts robbed the shiny clean Kerry lads of AI medals in 03, 05 and 08. My advice would be to stop creating the myth around Tyrone, Mikey - you are frightening your youngsters and creating psychological issues that will come back to haunt them and generations of Kerry lads to come.

Great way to describe a 2 point win, AET!

Tyrone beat Kerry 3 times. 3 times. 3 games. It wasn't as if Tyrone continually wiped the floor with Kerry for 10 years in a row. You're getting a bit up yourself. Kerry came to Omagh this year, and played some fantastic stuff, by all accounts. Don't forget that.

Tyrone won't always have a team capable of matching Kerry. There will come a time when those 3 wins will be a distant memory. You would think it was Tyrone who had won those 36 All Ireland's, by the way you go on.

[sensethetone]

I love the image Kerry people have of Tyrone football and what they think goes on at trainings - no wonder their players shit themselves at the sight of the Tyrone shirt. Its also reassuring to see that a new generation of Kerry players have shown that the psychological scars have been passed down to the next generation as they wilted under the Tyrone onslaught in the AI minor quarter final.

Maybe its because they are spooked by their parents. I can just imagine their parents, while they tuck them into bed at night, telling them tales of the big bad Tyrone players and how their use of the dark arts robbed the shiny clean Kerry lads of AI medals in 03, 05 and 08. My advice would be to stop creating the myth around Tyrone, Mikey - you are frightening your youngsters and creating psychological issues that will come back to haunt them and generations of Kerry lads to come.

Great way to describe a 2 point win, AET!

Tyrone beat Kerry 3 times. 3 times. 3 games. It wasn't as if Tyrone continually wiped the floor with Kerry for 10 years in a row. You're getting a bit up yourself. Kerry came to Omagh this year, and played some fantastic stuff, by all accounts. Don't forget that.

Tyrone won't always have a team capable of matching Kerry. There will come a time when those 3 wins will be a distant memory. You would think it was Tyrone who had won those 36 All Ireland's, by the way you go on.

but when tyrone beat kerry in the championship they went on to win all irelands-just like armagh i suppose. when tyrone beat kerry nobody in tyrone felt it was a fluke because kerry were well beatin, maybe thats why tyrone get cocky about it.

[Mike Sheehy]

Kerry finished Tyrone in Killarney just like we hammered them in '86 in the biggest choke in AI history. Up by 7 and lost by 8. Tyrone really shit the pants that day. I was there to see it and , oh how we laughed.

Tyrone are incapable of producing players of the calibre of Spillane, Jacko, Dara O'Se, Colm Cooper so it is understandable, I suppose, why their first priority is to produce robots whose job is to play to a system and stop the other team.

Will Tyrone ever produce players with the skills that Kerry players have ? I don't think they will. They just don't have it in them.

[Gael85]

Kerry finished Tyrone in Killarney just like we hammered them in '86 in the biggest choke in AI history. Up by 7 and lost by 8. Tyrone really shit the pants that day. I was there to see it and , oh how we laughed.

Tyrone are incapable of producing players of the calibre of Spillane, Jacko, Dara O'Se, Colm Cooper so it is understandable, I suppose, why their first priority is to produce robots whose job is to play to a system and stop the other team.

Will Tyrone ever produce players with the skills that Kerry players have ? I don't think they will. They just don't have it in them.

I am afraid Kerry themselves shit themselves in 03,05&08  Tyrone never feared Kerry and that annoys Kerry people. Pat Spillane is their biggest critic,Tyrone played super football in 2005 & 2008 but never got the credit as people rather question their negative tactics.I remember Tadgh Kenneally taking Nicholas Murphy out of game in 2009 final but we never hear anything about that?
Tyrone have produced classy players in Brian McGuigan,Sean Cavanagh,Peter Canavan,Philip Jordan,Stephen O'Neill and Owen Mulligan over the years and will be remembered as great footballers

when was the last time Kerry beat a Ulster team in All Ireland final? they werent good enough to beat Armagh & Tyrone in their prime

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

How great it is to see Sheehy relentlessly unloading his bile on the board, since it only points up how embittered he still is over his mighty Kerry at their best having thrice tried and thrice failed to beat Tyrone at their best in the 00s! 

Ooh how it hurts, how it burns, still! 

True, Kerry were consistently at their best more than Tyrone were throughout the 00s (though it still wasn't good enough to beat Tyrone at their best), though they mightn't have had it so had they Ulster to negotiate instead of the Munster cakewalk.

And just as gratifying to see that his claque is here to encourage him:

Top form on this thread, Mike Sheehy.

The Garvaghy Gulag - lovely.

Keep it up, it's great gas! 

[Gael85]

Absolutely nothing coming through - do they have underage teams in Kerry?

Yes, we have underage teams in Kerry. Honourable young lads who don't cheat.
Some things are more important than winning.

what about the verbal abuse some of your top players hand out to referees in every game,not good example to the young lads
Donaghy & Gouch worse culprits

[SkillfulBill]

Kerry finished Tyrone in Killarney just like we hammered them in '86 in the biggest choke in AI history. Up by 7 and lost by 8. Tyrone really shit the pants that day. I was there to see it and , oh how we laughed.

Tyrone are incapable of producing players of the calibre of Spillane, Jacko, Dara O'Se, Colm Cooper so it is understandable, I suppose, why their first priority is to produce robots whose job is to play to a system and stop the other team.

Will Tyrone ever produce players with the skills that Kerry players have ? I don't think they will. They just don't have it in them.

There are some teams in the country when Tyrone are drawn against that you can have niggling doubts about playing but there are also teams you love to play because you know that the sh1t themselves when they face the red hand. The two counties who appear to have this severe incontinence attacks are Fermanagh and Kerry. I find this hilarious when thon clown Shiity posts.

[Mike Sheehy]

True, Kerry were consistently at their best more than Tyrone were throughout the 00s (though it still wasn't good enough to beat Tyrone at their best), though they mightn't have had it so had they Ulster to negotiate instead of the Munster cakewalk.

There you go again. Verbosity on steroids !

I find this hilarious when thon clown Shiity posts.

wtf language are you trying to speak ? Is that Ulster Scots...what lodge are you with ?

[SkillfulBill]

True, Kerry were consistently at their best more than Tyrone were throughout the 00s (though it still wasn't good enough to beat Tyrone at their best), though they mightn't have had it so had they Ulster to negotiate instead of the Munster cakewalk.

There you go again. Verbosity on steroids !

I find this hilarious when thon clown Shiity posts.

wtf language are you trying to speak ? Is that Ulster Scots...what lodge are you with ?

You would know about as much about the Orange Order as you seem to know about football.

You arrogant Clown

[cadhlancian]

As per usual, a decent thread descending to hogan stand calibre comments! Read every comment on here, and of course, the usual dribble of shite from Sheehy, and a few others. But, Bennycake, your disdain for your neighbors is unbelievable tbh. It's actually hatred if I was telling it straight. Nothing wrong with a bit of wumming and banter. It ain't only on this thread either, wise up FFS