2013 All Ireland Final: Mayo v Dublin

[muppet]

As regards changes , I'm really worried about the reluctance by Mayo supporters to talk about dropping Andy Moran if this reflects what Horan is thinking too, Im adamant its the wrong call. He's not up to it.

There is an argument for dropping Andy Moran.

But this is not it: "He's not up to it." He had a serious injury and hasn't got back to where he was. He never really had pace but had mastered the art of using his body as a shield to great effect when he was coming onto the ball. For some reason this hasn't worked well in the corner. I think the 4 weeks will have brought him on from the injury.

I would consider moving him to 11 if the Dubs pick Brennan.

[Farrandeelin]

Somebody mentioned AM had another type of injury after the game on the Tyrone thread. Anyone care to elaborate?

[An Gaeilgoir]

For all the masochists amongst us.....TG4 tonight at 20.00, Mayo God Help Us!!!!!

All will be utterly different next Monday Morning....

[From the Bunker]

For all the masochists amongst us.....TG4 tonight at 20.00, Mayo God Help Us!!!!!

All will be utterly different next Monday Morning....

[oneoftheseyears]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqRnXgvyScA

[larryin89]

As regards changes , I'm really worried about the reluctance by Mayo supporters to talk about dropping Andy Moran if this reflects what Horan is thinking too, Im adamant its the wrong call. He's not up to it.

There is an argument for dropping Andy Moran.

But this is not it: "He's not up to it." He had a serious injury and hasn't got back to where he was. He never really had pace but had mastered the art of using his body as a shield to great effect when he was coming onto the ball. For some reason this hasn't worked well in the corner. I think the 4 weeks will have brought him on from the injury.

I would consider moving him to 11 if the Dubs pick Brennan.

Wow , stall the digger there horse , you're taking the " he's not up to it "  out f context or maybe I didn't word it right. Either way, ill explain myself.

Andy is a top class footballer , I have great time for him  and would know him too. You say his pace was never a factor, ummm , not so sure about that, his gameplan was make an unreal amount of runs to gain a yard on his marker , he is not doing that this year because of his fitness levels IMO , Conroy does it to much better effect this year.

Personally I would leave him out and also if ger Brennan was to start at no 6 , I would be like a cat that got the cream and stick with the Ballyhaunis buck on the forty, he would kill him all day long but I doubt Gavin is that daft, I expect to see COS at chb.

Opinion s sure that's what it's all about. Mine is right though 

[Wildweasel74]

I think they are saying hes hasnt fully recovered from his injury and is not back to playing the football we know hes capable of before he got injured, but with that injury that may take a few yrs to get back to the level he was

[Chimley]

I think they are saying hes hasnt fully recovered from his injury and is not back to playing the football we know hes capable of before he got injured, but with that injury that may take a few yrs to get back to the level he was

The problem is that he's thirty this year so he doesn't have a few years to get back. He might improve a little bit next year but after that he'll be struggling to just keep to the level required.

[From the Bunker]

I think they are saying hes hasnt fully recovered from his injury and is not back to playing the football we know hes capable of before he got injured, but with that injury that may take a few yrs to get back to the level he was

The problem is that he's thirty this year so he doesn't have a few years to get back. He might improve a little bit next year but after that he'll be struggling to just keep to the level required.

C'est la vie! Any player has such a limited amount of time at the top of their game. Maybe five to six years at best. Probably from the age of age of 24 to 29. If anything happens towards the end of that period, it becomes harder to come back. Alan Brogan is in a similar spot!

[moysider]

A week from now and we ll be experiencing an epiphany, one way or another!

Reading some of the stuff in the media today just reminded me of the failings of the past. Pathetic, sad stuff. 89, 96,97 etc. all explained away by Pateen Holmes and John Casey etc. David Brady, in fairness, does try to 'rationalise' it a bit better but it is an awful disappointment for somebody my age. We knew at the time we had players but the lack of proper management  was worse than we ever imagined.

Not that Holmes improved matters when he became manager and the repatriation of Maughan and O Mahoney for second terms, now looks lazy, to say the least. All the old Mayo vets. seem to think that this Mayo team is different - how the f**k do they know that? They don t. We ve heard all that before as well. When they revise after retirement ye know it was no different than what was going on before.

I m still wary of these old vets. annointing this team as being different - not buying into it. Tyrone rattled us but I know Dublin don t play like Tyrone so it s a different scenario - maybe.

Before Mayo fans dismiss me as an old crank and suggest a few short piers I should walk off, consider the following.

Mayo have put in some of their best ever performances in AI semi-finals before an AI final defeat/capitulation.

Dublin 85  draw + most of replay - did not make final and unforgivably did not build on it. Lost to inferior teams in Connacht in 86/87
Tyrone 89
Kerry 96
Offaly 97
Fermanagh 04 - exception, we were lucky to make it.
Dublin 06
Dublin 12

Hmmmm. The only consolation is that this year we really were a bag of nails v Tyrone in semi and came through. Some players had the nightmare of their careers and management did not cover itself in glory either but we came through in the end without being out of puff. So for the first time we ve reached a final without going 'eyeballs-out' in the semi.

Hopefully we ve got it right this time and get a peak and get attitude, selection, gameplan/tactics right for final.

[highorlow]

Before Mayo fans dismiss me as an old crank and suggest a few short piers I should walk off, consider the following.

Mayo have put in some of their best ever performances in AI semi-finals before an AI final defeat/capitulation.

Thanks for stating the obvious. Most / All semi finalist and final losers would say the same. The key is we just have said it more than others.

This team are different for the simple fact that we have 25 footballers with the combinations of skill, speed and physicality.

I'm not going to name old players and do a like for like comparison but safe to say (and you will know) that some of those lads couldn't even solo a ball or carry out the simple function of a kick pass, this is contrary to your opinion and is actually credit to the management at the time. Don't get me wrong we did have fine fast players and fine lumps of players but they didn't have the balance and finesse of the Kerry, Meath, Cork and Dublin teams that we lost to. 1992 was a big disappointment.

[highorlow]

Kevin MacStay played a stormer last night on the SG. I think he even had Whealan confused at one stage.

[Mayo4Sam]

Keep this to yourselves now lads but you know how William J Padden came on in Knockmore during that charity game a fortnight ago? THAT WAS NO ACCIDENT! There are wheels within wheels. Do you get me? Wheels within wheels.

Of course, I'm saying nothing.

Its funny you should talk about people coming back after appearing in that charity match. Theres one past great who has come out of retirement and is back training for the championship quarter final.

Word at home is that COC was in america this week and had a plate put in his shoulder

[Syferus]

And sure ye haven't even mentioned the priest's curse yet. It might be no amount of baseball caps and solo training will overcome that one.

[moysider]

Before Mayo fans dismiss me as an old crank and suggest a few short piers I should walk off, consider the following.

Mayo have put in some of their best ever performances in AI semi-finals before an AI final defeat/capitulation.

Thanks for stating the obvious. Most / All semi finalist and final losers would say the same. The key is we just have said it more than others.

This team are different for the simple fact that we have 25 footballers with the combinations of skill, speed and physicality.

I'm not going to name old players and do a like for like comparison but safe to say (and you will know) that some of those lads couldn't even solo a ball or carry out the simple function of a kick pass, this is contrary to your opinion and is actually credit to the management at the time. Don't get me wrong we did have fine fast players and fine lumps of players but they didn't have the balance and finesse of the Kerry, Meath, Cork and Dublin teams that we lost to. 1992 was a big disappointment.

Don t really want to argue the Meath 96 and Kerry 97 were very beatable with their share of limited enough players. O Flaherty and McManus spring to mind.